Replacing the Republican Party

[Jazzhead]

What could be done if Republicans had the zeal for their principles that democrats do?

Of course we have zeal for our principles.  But not all Republicans adhere to the principles of the social conservative right.  The GOP is a coalition among different flavors of conservatives - hell, there's even a few main street conservatives left like me among the TEA party nihilists and the government-loving Bible obsessives.

So the GOP is at the height of its power and influence,  and there are still calls to break up the band.  Sheer madness, if you ask me.   If I can put up with the social conservatives for the greater good, why can't social conservatives put up with folks like me?     

[driftdiver]

Neither one.

Sure if I had my choice neither of them would have been candidates let alone President.   However, that is what we ended up with.  So we can make lemonade or back off and pout and dream of a utopia where the children of socialist indoctrination suddenly realize the fallacy of what they believe.

[driftdiver]

Of course we have zeal for our principles.  But not all Republicans adhere to the principles of the social conservative right.  The GOP is a coalition among different flavors of conservatives - hell, there's even a few main street conservatives left like me among the TEA party nihilists and the government-loving Bible obsessives.

So the GOP is at the height of its power and influence,  and there are still calls to break up the band.  Sheer madness, if you ask me.   If I can put up with the social conservatives for the greater good, why can't social conservatives put up with folks like me?   

@Jazzhead
Sorry, but you're not main street conservative.   I realize the media has redefined the meaning of Up and Down but cmon man you are left of center.

[Sanguine]

You are a drama queen extraordinaire,  and I cannot take what you say seriously.   But go on, join the Constitution party and marginalize yourself.   We need pragmatic conservatives in the GOP, ones willing to compromise when necessary with centrists,  not those who want to take their marbles and go home because the GOP cannot exert "party discipline" to keep all 50 Senators in line for YOUR social conservative agenda.

Jazzhead, could be just a wee bit of projection on your part.  Just sayin'.

[roamer_1]

Of course we have zeal for our principles.  But not all Republicans adhere to the principles of the social conservative right.  The GOP is a coalition among different flavors of conservatives - hell, there's even a few main street conservatives left like me among the TEA party nihilists and the government-loving Bible obsessives.

So the GOP is at the height of its power and influence,  and there are still calls to break up the band.  Sheer madness, if you ask me.   If I can put up with the social conservatives for the greater good, why can't social conservatives put up with folks like me?   

I am a Reagan Conservative.  I can put up with any conservative that is within any conservative faction. Not only do I put up with them, I support them all. So I would submit to you that it is the other way around.

[RoosGirl]

Of course we have zeal for our principles.  But not all Republicans adhere to the principles of the social conservative right.  The GOP is a coalition among different flavors of conservatives - hell, there's even a few main street conservatives left like me among the TEA party nihilists and the government-loving Bible obsessives.

So the GOP is at the height of its power and influence,  and there are still calls to break up the band.  Sheer madness, if you ask me.   If I can put up with the social conservatives for the greater good, why can't social conservatives put up with folks like me?   

I think we are all well aware now that you've got some mad hate for social conservatives.  Why should social conservatives trust and work with folks like you who are willing to compromise away the beliefs that you hate?

[roamer_1]

Sure if I had my choice neither of them would have been candidates let alone President.   However, that is what we ended up with.  So we can make lemonade or back off and pout and dream of a utopia where the children of socialist indoctrination suddenly realize the fallacy of what they believe.

I am not pouting. I am just putting my money where my heart is.
Continuing to support Republican liberalism as a Conservative is ludicrous and far beyond the pale.
Never ever again.
And that includes Right to Life, where the lion's share of my efforts were focused.
a toothless serpent.

[txradioguy]

I think we are all well aware now that you've got some mad hate for social conservatives.  Why should social conservatives trust and work with folks like you who are willing to compromise away the beliefs that you hate?

He also doesn't seem to understand that TEA party Conservatives are more closely aligned to the principals of Reagan than anyone in the party.  Jazzy is more of a McConnell style Republican.

[roamer_1]

He also doesn't seem to understand that TEA party Conservatives are more closely aligned to the principals of Reagan than anyone in the party. 

That's right.

[corbe]

    @Mom MD I always take your insightful posts serious, unless your being funny.

[INVAR]

This is so tiresome.  How long are those opposed to the Republican Party going to indulge their need to swim in the spit of self-righteous anger?

I pledge eternal hostility to every form of liberal Statism that attempts to dilute or diminish Conservatism.

What the hell do you propose?  And what's your plan for turning your proposal into a successful and meaningful reality?

We're listening.

We told you.  Codevilla has stated it.

You have dismissed it because it will "take too long" - as if spending another 3 decades trying to rid the GOP of the Establishment leadership after they set the rules to make it impossible to dislodge the liberal grip on the party, is a better solution.

There comes a point in time when futility of prostrating before corrupt leaders becomes self-evident and the need for a permanent separation in order to start over is required.

We are waaaay past the time that should have happened.

So it's happening now. 

As Codevilla rightfully notes - it is time for your party to go the way of the Whigs, and I intend to make sure that happens.

[Right_in_Virginia]

In my case, no longer having any official position within the party frees me to speak my mind on ANY subject at any time and that is EXACTLY what I intend to do! 

Good @Bigun.  Although in all candor, I wasn't aware you were holding back.   

But how does this translate into votes?  You know ... those pesky things we need enough of to be in a position to govern and affect change?

[INVAR]

Jazzy is more of a McConnell style Republican.

No.  He's not.

He's more of a Susan Collins "Republican" if even that. He is absolutely no Conservative of any stripe given his posting history here.

He has more in common with liberal Communist Democrats than anyone even now in the GOP.

[aligncare]

Sure if I had my choice neither of them would have been candidates let alone President.   However, that is what we ended up with.  So we can make lemonade or back off and pout and dream of a utopia where the children of socialist indoctrination suddenly realize the fallacy of what they believe.

Yes. It's all about location, location, location. If one is raised in a liberal enclave in liberal schools, chances are they will turn out liberal.

[Mom MD]

    @Mom MD I always take your insightful posts serious, unless your being funny.

Thanks @corbe

Very serious today.....

[Free Vulcan]

You are a drama queen extraordinaire,  and I cannot take what you say seriously.   But go on, join the Constitution party and marginalize yourself.   We need pragmatic conservatives in the GOP, ones willing to compromise when necessary with centrists,  not those who want to take their marbles and go home because the GOP cannot exert "party discipline" to keep all 50 Senators in line for YOUR social conservative agenda.

@Mom MD is a drama queen? Swing and a miss. She sounds like a pretty tough lady to me.

[roamer_1]

@Jazzhead
Sorry, but you're not main street conservative.   I realize the media has redefined the meaning of Up and Down but cmon man you are left of center.

@driftdiver
Yeah. The 'main street' conservative thing denotes a business or IOW, Fiscal Conservative.
One cannot support expansive federal social programs and progressive welfare systems and be a fiscal conservative... Diametrically opposed positions.

@Jazzhead

[txradioguy]

No.  He's not.

He's more of a Susan Collins "Republican" if even that. He is absolutely no Conservative of any stripe given his posting history here.

He has more in common with liberal Communist Democrats than anyone even now in the GOP.

You're right.

I was just trying to be nice 

[Mom MD]

You are a drama queen extraordinaire,  and I cannot take what you say seriously.   But go on, join the Constitution party and marginalize yourself.   We need pragmatic conservatives in the GOP, ones willing to compromise when necessary with centrists,  not those who want to take their marbles and go home because the GOP cannot exert "party discipline" to keep all 50 Senators in line for YOUR social conservative agenda.

From you Jazz that is a compliment.  BTW pragmatic conservative = liberal.    But you know that

[Right_in_Virginia]

I pledge eternal hostility to every form of liberal Statism that attempts to dilute or diminish Conservatism. ...

As Codevilla rightfully notes - it is time for your party to go the way of the Whigs, and I intend to make sure that happens.

Okay, you make sure the Republican Party goes the way of the Whigs....indulge in another crusade of indignation, self-absorption and faux fury further alienating conservatives from American voters.   It's sure to work this time.   


 

[Bigun]

Good @Bigun.  Although in all candor, I wasn't aware you were holding back.   

But how does this translate into votes?  You know ... those pesky things we need enough of to be in a position to govern and affect change?

@Right_in_Virginia

That depends on how effective I am at getting my message out.  One thing is for sure, doing the same thing you have always done and expecting to get something other than what you have always gotten is lunacy!

Edit to add that I received a phone call the other day from someone at the RNC (I was a member for many years) regarding my failure to make my normal annual contribution. Here is what I told them "When the party actually moves some of the things they have been promising me for years they would do get back to me! Until then don't bother!"

[roamer_1]

Good @Bigun.  Although in all candor, I wasn't aware you were holding back.   

But how does this translate into votes?  You know ... those pesky things we need enough of to be in a position to govern and affect change?

Right now it translates into a lack of votes and no mandate.
How else to explain a 'winning' 26% of the population where well more than 60% of that total population declares itself Conservative?

There are far more Conservatives standing outside of the Republican party than in it.
If it were about votes, y'all would be serving Conservatism.

[INVAR]

Okay, you make sure the Republican Party goes the way of the Whigs....indulge in another crusade of indignation, self-absorption and faux fury further alienating conservatives from American voters.   It's sure to work this time.   

You are the people who told us to get out of your party.

Ask me if I care what you people think anymore.  It was your mob of party hacks and Trump worshippers who decided to label Conservatives who would not vote your prince "traitors" and deserving the punishment that treason requires.

Since the majority of the population wants Socialism and Communism - you are welcome to go swim and drink the water they do.  We will stand on our core, even if we stand alone.

Which somehow equates stupidity to you.  But then I do not expect someone who regards principles as politically expendable to comprehend why we put them before party.

[libertybele]

I AM lighting a candle... in the Constitution Party.

I have voted and supported the Constitution Party off and on for years.  IMHO they not only need $$, most importantly their party needs strong constitutional candidates and leadership with a whole lot of name recognition. They've had a couple of really good presidential candidates, but none with any significant name recognition.  Until they see an influx of money from the voting public and some people with very deep pockets backing them and a whole lot of politicians with substantial name recognition, their chances of winning remain virtually impossible.  This is reality.

[roamer_1]

[...] their chances of winning remain virtually impossible.  This is reality.

That depends entirely upon one's definition of 'winning'.
I certainly do not suppose that supporting Republican liberalism is winning in any sense.