Replacing the Republican Party

[txradioguy]

Excuse me, this Codevilla is asserting the GOP needs to be replaced.

They are the biggest political pro-life supporters around, so if this idiot Codevilla says the GOP should be replaced, then, he should have to deal with it.

First you tried bullying, then personal attacks and now you are showing cowardice by trying to say it is off-topic. Sorry, the mods can tell me that if that is so. I won't take your words for it.

There is no reason to believe you are a Conservative.

You leave no doubt to anyone here that you are not a Conservative.

You purposely come into these threads and take them off topic with your lies about Trump and how religious he is.

That's the only thing you seem capable of posting these days.  You're a sad one trick pony.

And one that doesn't have his facts straight either.

No, the Majority of American Evangelicals Did Not Vote for Trump


https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/no-the-majority-of-american-evangelicals-did-not-vote-for-trump

[INVAR]

You sound just like Obama.   You must break the system if you want to rebuild it.   At least he realizes that if you break our existing system it sure won't be replaced with one adhering to Constitutional provisions.

The EXISTING political party IS ALREADY BROKEN.  I'm not talking about "breaking the system" unless the current paradigm of "vote for the lesser Liberal" is how you define "the system".  I'm in agreement with Angelo Codevilla, who is now persona non grata from GOP party hacks  who masquerade as Conservatives. Codevilla was once a celebrated Conservative's Conservative by the same party hacks now trashing him and his essay.

The GOP is CORRUPT, and IRREDEEMABLE and serves the imposition of tyranny and Statism under the color of law.

I'm not advocating tearing the GOP down and rebuilding it.  Their leadership rewrote the rules to prohibit any challenge to their perpetual corrupt rulership of the party

I'm advocating Conservatives separate from it, regard it as just another party of Liberalism and build a new party outside the cesspool of DC. 

[TomSea]

The GOP has a pro-life amendment in it's national platform and in almost all states, Massachusetts and some other states might be an exception. So, how now, this is off-topic is absolutely ridiculous.

[driftdiver]

@txradioguy
You don't have rubbish,  so you do a personal attack.

Seeing the other fake conservatives, you may be applauded but it doesn't change the fact,

Trump is prolife and many voters voted for that and Trump has excelled at that.

@TomSea
I don't understand why you hitch your wagon to that position.   There is very little evidence that he is pro-life.  In fact there is a lot of evidence (video) showing that he is pro-abortion.  Perhaps he's changing in recent times but there is little record to show.

So why do you keep pushing this?   

[INVAR]

There is no reason to believe you are a Conservative.

Says the guy who champions and voted for a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat and preaches the gospel of Trump as salvation for the unborn.

[txradioguy]

@TomSea
I don't understand why you hitch your wagon to that position.   There is very little evidence that he is pro-life.  In fact there is a lot of evidence (video) showing that he is pro-abortion.  Perhaps he's changing in recent times but there is little record to show.

So why do you keep pushing this?

[TomSea]

@TomSea
I don't understand why you hitch your wagon to that position.   There is very little evidence that he is pro-life.  In fact there is a lot of evidence (video) showing that he is pro-abortion.  Perhaps he's changing in recent times but there is little record to show.

So why do you keep pushing this?

I will respect pro-life leaders over yours. Do you not read the news?

We are not talking about being empty pro-lifers like some senators who get nothing done.

To heck with some video from 2001 that shows something.

Trump has defunded International Planned Parenthood by $12 billion dollars. That is not chump change.

Trump nominated Gorsuch who was confirmed to the SCOTUS,

Pro-Life groups applaud that, that is in the Lifenews section if you ever read that section.

Trump gave states the right back to defund Planned Parenthood.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,107.0.html

One can read this forum, the Life News forum. I don't see why this should all be confirmed.

And despite the pro-life proclamations of some politicians, Trump's actions surely exceed their words.

Trump most unlikely anti-abortion President ever
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-unlikely-pro-life-549375

The proof is in the results, not with only, someone proclaiming in a debate how pro-life they are though that is good too.

[TomSea]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alveda-king-and-frank-pavone-trumps-first-100-days-are-the-best-pro-life-100-days-ever/article/2621518

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,260826.0.html

Dr. Martin Luther King's daughter and Father Frank Pavone, both known pro-lifers, say Trump's first 100 days most pro-life ever for a President. I will take their word.

And again, the right to life is part of the national gop platform and in almost all of the states, I don't see how any topic could be less on topic.

So folks whom never speak in the dedicated life news forum are saying Trump's not pro-life? It should have been debated long ago and plenty of articles are there.

[aligncare]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alveda-king-and-frank-pavone-trumps-first-100-days-are-the-best-pro-life-100-days-ever/article/2621518

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,260826.0.html

Dr. Martin Luther King's daughter and Father Frank Pavone, both known pro-lifers, say Trump's first 100 days most pro-life ever for a President. I will take their word.

And again, the right to life is part of the national gop platform and in almost all of the states, I don't see how any topic could be less on topic.

So folks whom never speak in the dedicated life news forum are saying Trump's not pro-life? It should have been debated long ago and plenty of articles are there.

Don't expect a reply. Cognitive dissonance can be a bit disorienting.

[txradioguy]

The concern is not only that everything Trump touches may be seen in a worse light for being associated with this man whose administration is going down in flames. It is that this man bragged, in the most vulgar terms, about his ability to seduce married women and displayed his misogyny in many different ways. He said he thought women who procure abortions should go to jail. If Mr. Trump is presented as a pro-life champion, the pro-life movement is about to be set back years, and we will have people like Pence and Anderson to blame for it.

https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/trump-we-are-not-pro-life-moment

[libertybele]

It is time to separate and be done with them.    You're arguing the same thing the Loyalists were back in the 1770s.

No more Olive Branch Petitions.  No more prostrations before the leadership.   No more trying to 'work within the system to change it'.

It is diseased and corrupt to the core.  There is no saving it without further spreading the infection to others.

IF we no longer work within the system to change it, then the DEM and the GOP party would have to be dissolved completely and the DNC and RNC dissolved as well. You cannot replace the existing GOP party without dissolving it and displacing its members; including the voting population. So ... new parties emerging are going to change things?  IMHO as long as the 'ideals and values' of those parties are still entrenched in the voting populace, they will vote for similar candidates/parties regardless if they have new players and a new name. Also, you would still have the liberal school system and other liberal entities in tact that have brainwashed our youth.  You still have the globalists like Soros and the Clintons who would see the demise of the GOP waiting in the wings jumping with glee at a golden opportunity to fulfill their agenda.  Then there's that pesky U.S. Constitution...would that still be the supreme law of the land?  Basically dismantling the two party system is dismantling how we as a country vote as that system as evolved over the course of time. I'm trying to understand some of the logic here. Wiping out the entire existing GOP would dismiss everyone in government from the President on down to the GOP governors and those seated in the GOP state seats.  They would all need to be replaced with the new members willing to form a new party ... the DEM party would still be in tact and the opportunity for them to expand would be enormous.

You are assuming that the majority of the current GOP voting base want to see the GOP dissolved.  I want to see the GOP go back to it's original principles. Perhaps without it imploding it may not be possible; I question what happens as a result of that implosion; it doesn't necessarily mean that the new party will be any better.

[sneakypete]

Stuff it.

Your party is an enemy to Conservatism and I will use every fiber of my being to end it.

If Conservatism is going to exist in any capacity - it will have to exist outside of the corrupt institution of the Republican party.

@INVAR @truth_seeker

The problem is human nature. MOST people are followers,not leaders. It HAS to be that way or mankind would be in a perpetual state of war as each human fought the other humans for dominance. We all,DEFINITELY including me,LOVE to ridicule the "sheeple",but the truth is society doesn't work at all without them. Ideas are fine things,but worthless without someone to follow them.

Which all means that even though 75 percent (a number I pulled out of my ass) of the people who self-identify as conservatives will be VERY reluctant to leave what they know and are comfortable bitching about for a party that has no history,and more than anything else,politics is a number game.

In FACT,what *I* am seeing right now in real time is a hell of a lot of actual conservatives,as opposed to "single issue" (abortion,gun control,etc) conservatives have already left the party by voting for Trump instead of one of the usual Party Suspects,and they are under attack by the Republican Pod People for being "traitors to the cause",and they (including me in this one) are in turn attacking the Party Pod People for lack of vision,imagination,intelligence,and character. Ok,I MIGHT be just a tad biased on that one,but you get my point.

Luckily for us all,the Dims are also split,as the Bernie Bolsheviks are competing with the Stalinist Socialists for power ober de peep-pulls. With any luck at all this will keep them from joining forces and dominating the nation while those of us on the right TRY to get our acts together IF we are lucky enough to see Trump virtually destroy the stranglehold the corrupt Gay Old Party of today holds on people still aware enough to resist outright communism.

IF the nation is lucky,we MIGHT see weasels like Lady Lindsey,the entire Bush Crime Family,McLunatic,and the rest of the RINO's decide to form a new party so they can stay in control of SOMETHING and keep the graft and cash payoffs for treason flowing,and a new Conservative political party will arise with people in leadership as well as just Party Member positions working towards creating an actual Constitutional government that recognizes that people have responsibilities as citizens,as well as rights.

Chances are it's not going to happen because the people in power LOVE being in power so much they will shape-shift to appear to be whatever they need to appear to be to attract the votes of the people who pay attention to politics for 30 days every 4 years.

The only people with the power to really make changes are the voters,and clearly they just can't be bothered.

[MOD3]

I will respect pro-life leaders over yours. Do you not read the news?

We are not talking about being empty pro-lifers like some senators who get nothing done.

To heck with some video from 2001 that shows something.

Trump has defunded International Planned Parenthood by $12 billion dollars. That is not chump change.

Trump nominated Gorsuch who was confirmed to the SCOTUS,

Pro-Life groups applaud that, that is in the Lifenews section if you ever read that section.

Trump gave states the right back to defund Planned Parenthood.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,107.0.html

One can read this forum, the Life News forum. I don't see why this should all be confirmed.

And despite the pro-life proclamations of some politicians, Trump's actions surely exceed their words.

Trump most unlikely anti-abortion President ever
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-unlikely-pro-life-549375

The proof is in the results, not with only, someone proclaiming in a debate how pro-life they are though that is good too.

@TomSea here we go again.  This is a discussion about whether there is a need for a replacement for the Republican Party.  It is not about whether or not Trump is a pro life President or not.

It's clear to everyone that you do this on purpose.

Continue to thread jack and purposely take this discussion off topic and you'll sit in the corner, again.

Same goes for any thought you might have about arguing with me about what I just told you.

That goes for anyone that wants to continue down this line of discussion and not stick to the topic.

[Bigun]

@TomSea here we go again.  This is a discussion about whether there is a need for a replacement for the Republican Party.  It is not about whether or not Trump is a pro life President or not.

It's clear to everyone that you do this on purpose.

Continue to thread jack and purposely take this discussion off topic and you'll sit in the corner, again.

Same goes for any thought you might have about arguing with me about what I just told you.

That goes for anyone that wants to continue down this line of discussion and not stick to the topic.

   Well said and spot on!

[sneakypete]

Wrong. the GOP is home to Ted Cruz and many other fine conservative Senators, Representatives, Governors etc.

@truth-seeker

LOL! Good one!

Unless of course you consider the number of fingers on 1 hand as being "many" fingers.

When it comes to congressmen,you have Walter Jones Jr,and MAYBE 2 or three others on some days.

In the US Senate you have......,uhhhhh,ummmmm...........visitors to the Senate sitting in the balcony?

[aligncare]

Yeah, TomSea, there are more important topics around here to discuss. Don't you have anything to say about matching washers and dryers?

[sneakypete]

Which is exactly how we ended up with Trump: bad judgment.

@Oceander

Awwww,can we maybe call JEB over to kiss that oopsie and make it feel better?

Odd that someone so lacking in judgement as you would want to talk about bad judgement.

OH! That's right! I forgot! THIS time the RINO's are NOT going to stab us in the back immediately after the election and we are going to get more by continuing to vote for less,right?

[sneakypete]

How's this working out for you now?

@Right_in_Virginia

How is it working out for those of you who choose to remain loyal the the Party of Bush?

[roamer_1]

Nearly seven in ten evangelicals voted for Trump. That doesn't look too good for values voters, does it?

Out of 26% of the population. That's a whole helluva lot more evangelicals that didn't vote at all.

[sneakypete]

@truth_seeker

   People like McCain and Graham lose touch with their constituents. 

 

@driftdiver

TECHNICALLY that is not true. They are in touch daily with the bankers who blackmail and deliver bags of cash to them and their close family members,and THOSE people are their true constituents. Everybody else is there just for the free Kool-Ade.

[sneakypete]

@INVAR
I've never seen you propose a solution.  Only that you are fighting it.  If you spent half as much energy helping to make it better you might actually accomplish something.

@driftdiver

WHEN was the last time ANYONE made something better by voting/asking for more of the same?

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

How is it working out for those of you who choose to remain loyal the the Party of Bush?

Pretty damn well @sneakypete ... the Party of Trump sent the Bushes to the dustbin of political history.

You're welcome.   ^-^

[libertybele]

The EXISTING political party IS ALREADY BROKEN.  I'm not talking about "breaking the system" unless the current paradigm of "vote for the lesser Liberal" is how you define "the system".  I'm in agreement with Angelo Codevilla, who is now persona non grata from GOP party hacks  who masquerade as Conservatives. Codevilla was once a celebrated Conservative's Conservative by the same party hacks now trashing him and his essay.

The GOP is CORRUPT, and IRREDEEMABLE and serves the imposition of tyranny and Statism under the color of law.

I'm not advocating tearing the GOP down and rebuilding it.  Their leadership rewrote the rules to prohibit any challenge to their perpetual corrupt rulership of the party

I'm advocating Conservatives separate from it, regard it as just another party of Liberalism and build a new party outside the cesspool of DC.

Ok. That clarifies things a little for me ... which still though brings me  back to me point originally; unless you have a 3rd party candidate with a lot of money behind him and significant name recognition they will not win over the other two parties.  The voting population would also need to get over the stigma associated with 3rd party voting.  That's reality.  The DC cesspool exists and we're never going to fix it from the top. 

[sneakypete]

The incumbents at the national level often run unopposed; therein lies the real problem.  The second problem is that there are people like McConnell and Ryan who do everything they can to ensure that the incumbents remain unopposed; they don't want their country club disrupted.

@libertybele

Add that the incumbents and their party backers work harder to destroy any challengers to their seats than they do to defeat Dims,and there you have it,all wrapped up in a ball.

First and foremost with them,it's more about party than it is country.

[Sanguine]

Yes. It's all about location, location, location. If one is raised in a liberal enclave in liberal schools, chances are they will turn out liberal.

Like NYC?