Ron DeSantis: Congress will kill Obamacare if Trump kills lawmakers' subsidies

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Ron DeSantis: Congress will kill Obamacare if Trump kills lawmakers' subsidies
by Pete Kasperowicz | Jul 31, 2017, 7:38 AM

Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., argued Monday that President Trump should follow through on his weekend threat and cancel all subsidies that federal lawmakers get to buy insurance under Obamacare.

He also said killing lawmakers' subsidies might be the best way to kill Obamacare.

"I think if he moves swiftly on it, I think you'd see a lot of these members and senators, they would want to work to repeal Obamacare very quickly," DeSantis said on Fox News.

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[endicom]

Trump didn't want them to recess without concluding something on health care. They recessed so he left this hanging over their heads.

[XenaLee]

Trump didn't want them to recess without concluding something on health care. They recessed so he left this hanging over their heads.

And I would make it a point to publicly start the process... by calling out the three senators that doomed the repeal.  I would say something like "You did this (screwed) to yourselves... after you did it to your constituents.  How does it feel?"

It's nice that Congress can now go on vacation without ever having done a damned thing towards doing their job (representing their voters)....once again and as usual.

[edpc]

They'll somehow equate an EO from him as pulling the plug on grandma. 

[rodamala]

The only politician that "gets it", as far I am concerned, is Rand Paul.  The true "fix" for out of control healthcare costs is open free-market competition in the healthCARE industry.  This has very little to do with health insurance.

[Free Vulcan]

The American people on both sides of the aisle support this overwhelmingly. Trump just needs to pull the trigger on this, and hold back on ending insurance co subsidies as a threat he can hammer with.

[endicom]

It's nice that Congress can now go on vacation without ever having done a damned thing towards doing their job (representing their voters)....once again and as usual.

I think Trump's tactic is to keep the pressure on Congress and the issue on the front burner. He'll probably sign whatever moves the process along so full repeal will have to wait.

If we did get full real then they would still have Medicaid and Medicare and SSI to, uh, dicker with so we wouldn't yet be out of the woods.

[massadvj]

The only politician that "gets it", as far I am concerned, is Rand Paul.  The true "fix" for out of control healthcare costs is open free-market competition in the healthCARE industry.  This has very little to do with health insurance.

While I agree, I don't think a free market solution is really possible so long as we have Medicare.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

These are people who make millions of dollars per year off a 100 and change thousand dollar salary.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see this as a big threat.

[jpsb]

While I agree, I don't think a free market solution is really possible so long as we have Medicare.

Medicare? For 50 years I paid into medicare, medicare is not the problem. The problem is all the people ripping off medicare. Give me back my money with interest before you cancel medicare.

[edpc]

Medicare? For 50 years I paid into medicare, medicare is not the problem. The problem is all the people ripping off medicare. Give me back my money with interest before you cancel medicare.

 That's the biggest problem with entitlements. It's not a promise made to you, it's alive forced upon you. The money you paid went directly to someone using it at the time. Your benefits require someone doing the same in the future. All the hallmarks of the pyramid scheme.

[edpc]

A lie, not alive

[MajorClay]

Marsha Blackburn said the same thing on Stuart Varney this morning.

[Free Vulcan]

While I agree, I don't think a free market solution is really possible so long as we have Medicare.

You're probably right, but I don't know a way to get rid of it without severe blowback.

[Oceander]

Medicare? For 50 years I paid into medicare, medicare is not the problem. The problem is all the people ripping off medicare. Give me back my money with interest before you cancel medicare.

Are you kidding me?  You didn't pay into anything.  You just paid an income tax that was fancifully labeled the Medicare tax. 

You don't get your taxes back, with or without interest, and being a taxpayer doesn't give you a vested right to any welfare benefits. 

[libertybele]

The only politician that "gets it", as far I am concerned, is Rand Paul.  The true "fix" for out of control healthcare costs is open free-market competition in the healthCARE industry.  This has very little to do with health insurance.

Cruz suggested free-market competition, health savings plans and to "de-link" health insurance from the workplace.  His 3-point plan was introduced back in Jan or Feb of 2016, before he announced his bid for the presidency.  It fell on deaf ears as did his recent amendments.

Understand that the GOPe doesn't want to replace or repeal Bammycare and they certainly don't want to credit Cruz or Paul for saving healthcare.  Pansy Graham has a plan in the works ... how much you want to bet it is similar to Cruz and Paul's and voted on and passed. There is a bill that was passed by BOTH house and Senate and vetoed by Bammy that they could have submitted.  No ... they want single-payer healthcare and McSane came to save the day.

[Emjay]

And I would make it a point to publicly start the process... by calling out the three senators that doomed the repeal.  I would say something like "You did this (screwed) to yourselves... after you did it to your constituents.  How does it feel?"

It's nice that Congress can now go on vacation without ever having done a damned thing towards doing their job (representing their voters)....once again and as usual.

Ain't it the truth.  And probably go home all smiles and smirks pretending they did the people's business.

As for Trump, he should do this and do it the minute they leave.  If he would just do this and not content himself with a snide tweet, he would recover some of the good will I've tried hard to feel for him.

I'm cranky today.  We've had guests from the mainland for ten days and I feel guilty because I am sooooo  glad they are leaving this evening.  Mahalo

[Emjay]

Cruz suggested free-market competition, health savings plans and to "de-link" health insurance from the workplace.  His 3-point plan was introduced back in Jan or Feb of 2016, before he announced his bid for the presidency.  It fell on deaf ears as did his recent amendments.

Understand that the GOPe doesn't want to replace or repeal Bammycare and they certainly don't want to credit Cruz or Paul for saving healthcare.  Pansy Graham has a plan in the works ... how much you want to bet it is similar to Cruz and Paul's and voted on and passed. There is a bill that was passed by BOTH house and Senate and vetoed by Bammy that they could have submitted.  No ... they want single-payer healthcare and McSane came to save the day.

I don't know what Paul has done but Cruz has worked his heart out and done a masterful job of crafting a plan that SHOULD have passed and would have satisfied most people.

I don't know why Congress would want government health care but they seem to.  If they succeed in that, they should definitely have to live under it.

I mean how can they do this?  How can they pass health care laws that are disastrous for ordinary Americans and then say, 'But, of course, WE can't be expected to live under that."

[DCPatriot]

That's the biggest problem with entitlements. It's not a promise made to you, it's alive forced upon you. The money you paid went directly to someone using it at the time. Your benefits require someone doing the same in the future. All the hallmarks of the pyramid scheme.

It's easier to understand the government union worker or teachers' pension funds that were "promised", too.

But the DEMS were united in their larceny by using the original Stimulus $$$ earmarked for roads and bridges, to replenish those coffers.

AND GOT AWAY WITH IT!!   

"The most insidious power the media has, is the power to ignore."   ...Chris Plante

[libertybele]

I don't know what Paul has done but Cruz has worked his heart out and done a masterful job of crafting a plan that SHOULD have passed and would have satisfied most people.

I don't know why Congress would want government health care but they seem to.  If they succeed in that, they should definitely have to live under it.

I mean how can they do this?  How can they pass health care laws that are disastrous for ordinary Americans and then say, 'But, of course, WE can't be expected to live under that."

Quite simple.  Government healthcare would give them more control over the people.

[Emjay]

Are you kidding me?  You didn't pay into anything.  You just paid an income tax that was fancifully labeled the Medicare tax. 

You don't get your taxes back, with or without interest, and being a taxpayer doesn't give you a vested right to any welfare benefits.

You do not understand Medicare at all and probably should shut up until you learn something.

Wage earners paid into Social Security all their working lives and then received a relatively small pension when they retired.

If the pension is, say, $2000 a month, a certain amount is deducted from that pension for Medicare.  It's like paying an insurance premium.  Now, this is a bargain because Medicare is great and it's most great in case of disastrous hospital bills.

The Medicare tax has nothing to do with income tax.  You don't pay it at all unless you are receiving Social Security.

[bilo]

Quite simple.  Government healthcare would give them more control over the people.

You are so right!

Let me add that the American people are guilty as well. The American people want something for nothing figuring the "rich guy down the street" can pay for it. The Rats sold obamacare on thie lie "your premiums will go down", "your coverage will be better", "you won't lose your doctor", and "you will be able to go to the best hospitals". Conservatives said these were lies right from the start, but the American people gave a super majority to the Rats and we now suffer because of it.

I'm praying that Pres. Trump follows through and cuts Congress's subsidizes as well as the insurance company subsidizes.

[bilo]

You do not understand Medicare at all and probably should shut up until you learn something.

Wage earners paid into Social Security all their working lives and then received a relatively small pension when they retired.

If the pension is, say, $2000 a month, a certain amount is deducted from that pension for Medicare.  It's like paying an insurance premium.  Now, this is a bargain because Medicare is great and it's most great in case of disastrous hospital bills.

The Medicare tax has nothing to do with income tax.  You don't pay it at all unless you are receiving Social Security.

Let me correct you. Being self employed I pay both sides of the SS Tax and Medicare Tax. A lot of people don't understand that their employer pays half and half is deducted from wages paid. Upon retirement you have the Medicare premium deducted from your SS benefits. The premium is about $108.00 per month. Understand this is a premium on health insurance for someone over 65. As a basis of comparison I saw my health insurance premium go from $670.00 per month for a family of four to over $1,300.00 per month with the start of obamacare. IOW, seniors health insurance is subsidized by the working public and seniors don't pay anything close to what their health coverage costs.

Medicare was the camel's nose in the tent. Now it's medicaid that is finishing the job. Medicaid no longer covers only the poor. Medicaid now covers individuals up to 350% of the poverty line.

The Pubs sold us out. Sen Cruz's amendment was a great opportunity to begin turning away from govt controlled healthcare, but the Pubs didn't care enough to make it happen.

[edpc]

The Medicare tax has nothing to do with income tax.  You don't pay it at all unless you are receiving Social Security.

That's odd, because I can go to ADP and look at my pay stubs.  They clearly show where I pay FICA, Federal, Medicare, and State taxes. 

[txradioguy]

This is one tweet I'm hoping Trump follows through on.

Congress critters in DC have absolutely ZERO motivation to kill Obamacare and honor their promise to fully repeal it because they don't...by their own and by Obama's actions...feel the impact of what that POS legislation did to the average American and to small business owners from coast to coast.

They are completely insulated by choice and by design from the laws they pass for the rest of us.

It's about time they feel the impact of that which they do to the rest of us.

Go get 'em Mr. President!