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The New York Times
By ALICIA PARLAPIANO, WILSON ANDREWS and JASMINE C. LEE
JULY 25, 2017


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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html
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Re: How Each Senator Voted on Full Obamacare Repeal-and-Replace [list]
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 05:06:25 am »
Tom Cotton voting with the Commies. There's a shock....well..not really.

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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 01:14:11 pm »
Tom Cotton voting with the Commies. There's a shock....well..not really.


Cotton voted with Rand Paul and Paul called this bill a pork fest. That Cruz voted for it is a good sign but not a perfect sign.

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Re: How Each Senator Voted on Full Obamacare Repeal-and-Replace [list]
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 01:20:01 pm »
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    Susan Collins Me.    
   Bob Corker Tenn.    
   Tom Cotton Ark.    
   Lindsey Graham S.C.    
   Dean Heller Nev.
   Mike Lee Utah    
   Jerry Moran Kan.    
   Lisa Murkowski Alaska    
   Rand Paul Ky.    

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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 01:22:39 pm »
   Hey TED

No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 01:28:53 pm »
Good.  Now that the "repeal ObamaCare" vote demanded by certain conservatives has been proposed and (as everybody expected) defeated,  it's time to get working on fixing the damn thing.   

Backbenchers can cast irresponsible votes;  those in the majority have more that's expected of them.  It's time for conservatives to start acting like a majority.   
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2017, 01:29:08 pm »

Cotton voted with Rand Paul and Paul called this bill a pork fest. That Cruz voted for it is a good sign but not a perfect sign.

Cotton and Paul get the best medical insurance and care any human being can get on this planet thanks to their worthless jobs while the rest of us bust our asses to get by doing real tangible work.

Who gives a shit about the pork when the damn house is burning down. I do not have the time or money for these azzholes to be taking moral stands anymore.

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2017, 01:31:09 pm »
Good.  Now that the "repeal ObamaCare" vote demanded by certain conservatives has been proposed and (as everybody expected) defeated,  it's time to get working on fixing the damn thing.

Fixing GD Obamacare? Eff that and the busted down whore of a mule it rode in on. And while I am at it John Kasich can suck my ass too and then jump off a bridge.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2017, 01:31:36 pm »
Cotton and Paul get the best medical insurance and care any human being can get on this planet thanks to their worthless jobs while the rest of us bust our asses to get by doing real tangible work.

Who gives a shit about the pork when the damn house is burning down. I do not have the time or money for these azzholes to be taking moral stands anymore.

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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2017, 02:00:30 pm »
   Hey TED




You never get all you want so you compromise. Paul drew his line here and Cruz there so I wouldn't knee-jerkedly dump on either.

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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2017, 02:20:05 pm »
Fixing GD Obamacare? Eff that and the busted down whore of a mule it rode in on. And while I am at it John Kasich can suck my ass too and then jump off a bridge.

The repeal you demanded has been defeated.  Time to move on.   
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Re: How Each Senator Voted on Full Obamacare Repeal-and-Replace [list]
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2017, 02:25:23 pm »
Tom Cotton voting with the Commies. There's a shock....well..not really.

Last I checked, Mike Lee wasn't a commie.  Maybe that has changed.... but I much suspect that the bill was laden with extra crap (as usual) that he couldn't stomach.  Which begs the question, why did Cruz vote for it.  Has anyone read the actual bill?
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2017, 02:48:06 pm »
Last I checked, Mike Lee wasn't a commie.  Maybe that has changed.... but I much suspect that the bill was laden with extra crap (as usual) that he couldn't stomach.  Which begs the question, why did Cruz vote for it.  Has anyone read the actual bill?

The way I understand it, and I may be wrong, is that there was the opportunity to add amendments if it passed.  Cruz had an amendment in the works.  I thought it was the Lee/Cruz amendment, but I'm not sure - particularly in that Lee voted against it.

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2017, 02:58:16 pm »
Last I checked, Mike Lee wasn't a commie.  Maybe that has changed.... but I much suspect that the bill was laden with extra crap (as usual) that he couldn't stomach.  Which begs the question, why did Cruz vote for it.  Has anyone read the actual bill?

Pork is an issue for another day. I'm tired of 7 years of talk and nothing happening. If it takes bribes for votes who really cares anymore.

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2017, 03:06:48 pm »
Pork is an issue for another day. I'm tired of 7 years of talk and nothing happening. If it takes bribes for votes who really cares anymore.

Well.... obviously..... some folks care.  And I'm betting that Mile Lee is one of those folks.  The problem with pork.... is there is always somebody in DC that will vote against the bribe.  They're just funny that way.

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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2017, 03:07:52 pm »
The way I understand it, and I may be wrong, is that there was the opportunity to add amendments if it passed.  Cruz had an amendment in the works.  I thought it was the Lee/Cruz amendment, but I'm not sure - particularly in that Lee voted against it.

Right.  There is more to this bill than meets the immediate eye.  I would like to see/read the bill.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2017, 03:17:00 pm »
Well.... obviously..... some folks care.  And I'm betting that Mile Lee is one of those folks.  The problem with pork.... is there is always somebody in DC that will vote against the bribe.  They're just funny that way.

Pork is only an issue to these clowns when the need cover for shitty votes like this. Can you show me where Lee has been filibustering over the issue like Cruz did for Obama care? Of course not.

Right now the issue is healthcare. Obamacere needs to be destroyed now, not in 2 years. I don't care how much this bill sucks. It had enough in it to get this moving in the right direction.

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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2017, 03:55:38 pm »
Pork is only an issue to these clowns when the need cover for shitty votes like this. Can you show me where Lee has been filibustering over the issue like Cruz did for Obama care? Of course not.

Right now the issue is healthcare. Obamacere needs to be destroyed now, not in 2 years. I don't care how much this bill sucks. It had enough in it to get this moving in the right direction.

Does this bill destroy 0care?

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2017, 04:36:44 pm »

Right now the issue is healthcare. Obamacere needs to be destroyed now, not in 2 years. I don't care how much this bill sucks.

You might care if you were one of the millions of working poor receiving Medicaid or subsidized individual insurance through an ACA exchange.   Yes, the Senators want to preserve their jobs,  but before you dismiss them as cynical consider how you would react if a federal law you've come to rely on were to be yanked out from under you.   Say,  Social Security or protection of your right to own guns.   The world isn't all about you and your priorities.   A straight and, as you insist, immediate repeal of ObamaCare would harm a whole hell of a lot of your fellow Americans.   The ACA must be fixed,  and that includes rational transitional rules that aren't heartless.   
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2017, 04:41:44 pm »
You might care if you were one of the millions of working poor receiving Medicaid or subsidized individual insurance through an ACA exchange.   Yes, the Senators want to preserve their jobs,  but before you dismiss them as cynical consider how you would react if a federal law you've come to rely on were to be yanked out from under you.   Say,  Social Security or protection of your right to own guns.   The world isn't all about you and your priorities.   A straight and, as you insist, immediate repeal of ObamaCare would harm a whole hell of a lot of your fellow Americans.   The ACA must be fixed,  and that includes rational transitional rules that aren't heartless.

Heaven knows we can't have them going without medical care and dying in the streets like they were before the ACA passed.

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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2017, 04:49:02 pm »
Pork is only an issue to these clowns when the need cover for shitty votes like this. Can you show me where Lee has been filibustering over the issue like Cruz did for Obama care? Of course not.

Right now the issue is healthcare. Obamacere needs to be destroyed now, not in 2 years. I don't care how much this bill sucks. It had enough in it to get this moving in the right direction.

Do we really know what, exactly, it had in it?  I don't.  You probably don't.  Let's wait and see what Lee rejected.  As for the other morons that voted against it.... that figures.  Not ready to toss Lee aside over this one vote just yet.

Yes, ObamaCare needs to be repealed in toto.... but it's looking more and more like that is yet another pipe dream of ours.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2017, 05:05:14 pm »
Fixing GD Obamacare? Eff that and the busted down whore of a mule it rode in on. And while I am at it John Kasich can suck my ass too and then jump off a bridge.

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All the Pubs have done is guarantee that they will be a minority party in the not to distance future. I could live with all the garbage they put in the bill as long as the Cruz Amendment was in it unchanged. They voted that down. My response to them is since you don't represent me don't expect me to support you.
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2017, 05:08:02 pm »
You might care if you were one of the millions of working poor receiving Medicaid or subsidized individual insurance through an ACA exchange.   Yes, the Senators want to preserve their jobs,  but before you dismiss them as cynical consider how you would react if a federal law you've come to rely on were to be yanked out from under you.   Say,  Social Security or protection of your right to own guns.   The world isn't all about you and your priorities.   A straight and, as you insist, immediate repeal of ObamaCare would harm a whole hell of a lot of your fellow Americans.   The ACA must be fixed,  and that includes rational transitional rules that aren't heartless.

Everybody in America, rich or poor, white or black, can get essential medical treatment.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2017, 06:19:19 pm »
Here is one reason why it may have been voted against....

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The defeated plan also included a proposal by Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, to provide $100 billion in aid to help low-income Americans pay their medical bills after they lose Medicaid coverage as a result of the Senate health care bill.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-health-care-bill-where-we-are-now/ar-AAoRVUd?li=BBnb7Kz

That's..... a hundred BILLION of taxpayer dollars.  Yikes.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2017, 06:28:11 pm »
Here is one reason why it may have been voted against....

That's..... a hundred BILLION of taxpayer dollars.  Yikes.
One Hundred Billion $US  ain't nuttin, in Wash. D.C. these days.

We gave more than that to Iran, supposedly to induce them to stop or reduce their nuclear arms development.

It seems to me if somebody wants to insure medical care for the poor, it is most cost efficient to have government pay hospitals/doctors directly, rather than through the additional layer and markup, of insurance companies.

But that is just me. (No, I am NOT for single-payer)

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