How Each Senator Voted on Full Obamacare Repeal-and-Replace [list]

[Jazzhead]

Everybody in America, rich or poor, white or black, can get essential medical treatment.

Yes, that's the free rider issue.  Folks can choose to go uninsured, and require others to pay for their care.

The issue for those that might lose subsidized insurance, is this: Is free medical insurance a right?

It's not a "right", but the poorest, the disabled and the elderly have been able to qualify for taxpayer-funded, single payer insurance for many years now.   What are you suggesting as an alternative for folks in these groups? 

[Sanguine]

Yes, that's the free rider issue.  Folks can choose to go uninsured, and require others to pay for their care.

It's not a "right", but the poorest, the disabled and the elderly have been able to qualify for taxpayer-funded, single payer insurance for many years now.   What are you suggesting as an alternative for folks in these groups?

That's not insurance, it's welfare.

[Jazzhead]

That's not insurance, it's welfare.

It can be both insurance and welfare.   A poor person, for example,  doesn't necessarily have pre-existing conditions, and can be provided with true insurance - but the subsidization of the premium amounts to welfare.

How would you address health care financing for the poor, the disabled and the elderly?       

[Sanguine]

It can be both insurance and welfare.   A poor person, for example,  doesn't necessarily have pre-existing conditions, and can be provided with true insurance - but the subsidization of the premium amounts to welfare.

How would you address health care financing for the poor, the disabled and the elderly?     

Nope.  If they don't pay for it and it covers pre-existing conditions, it's not insurance.

I've answered that question, to you specifically, a number of times.  Not sure why you're asking again.

[Taxcontrol]

Good.  Now that the "repeal ObamaCare" vote demanded by certain conservatives has been proposed and (as everybody expected) defeated,  it's time to get working on fixing the damn thing.   

Backbenchers can cast irresponsible votes;  those in the majority have more that's expected of them.  It's time for conservatives to start acting like a majority.   

NOPE
It is time to primary out those that voted against repeal.
DO NOT replace Obamacare with RINOcare or Trumpcare

[txradioguy]

NOPE
It is time to primary out those that voted against repeal.
DO NOT replace Obamacare with RINOcare or Trumpcare

Seven Republicans voted against it.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,273509.0.html

[Jazzhead]

NOPE
It is time to primary out those that voted against repeal.
DO NOT replace Obamacare with RINOcare or Trumpcare

We can't wait that long.  Some of these Senators won't be up for reelection for several years.

The ACA needs to fixed now.  Stop getting off on dreams of fratricide and instead focus on finding a policy solution.   

[txradioguy]

We can't wait that long.  Some of these Senators won't be up for reelection for several years.

The ACA needs to fixed now.  Stop getting off on dreams of fratricide and instead focus on finding a policy solution.

The only way to fix it it to get rid of it and 7 senators who promised that would happen are now on record as being liars.

Nothing Congress can come up with short of full repeal will actually fix anything.

[XenaLee]

Nope.  If they don't pay for it and it covers pre-existing conditions, it's not insurance.

I've answered that question, to you specifically, a number of times.  Not sure why you're asking again.

Trollin, trollin, trollin.... keep them trollers trollin....(rawhide?)

[XenaLee]

One Hundred Billion $US  ain't nuttin, in Wash. D.C. these days.

We gave more than that to Iran, supposedly to induce them to stop or reduce their nuclear arms development.

It seems to me if somebody wants to insure medical care for the poor, it is most cost efficient to have government pay hospitals/doctors directly, rather than through the additional layer and markup, of insurance companies.

But that is just me. (No, I am NOT for single-payer)

Still.... they need to present a clean bill with none of that other extra crap attached to it. I know, I know....I'm dreaming (again/still).  They don't really want to pass a repeal bill.   Thus the xtra crap added on.

[Jazzhead]

The only way to fix it it to get rid of it and 7 senators who promised that would happen are now on record as being liars.

Nothing Congress can come up with short of full repeal will actually fix anything.

But full repeal isn't possible.  The votes aren't there.  It's time to move on, unless you're happy with ObamaCare remaining the law of the land.   

It's time for a pragmatic solution, an incremental fix that's politically possible, and moves the ball in a conservative direction. 

[libertybele]

Fixing GD Obamacare? Eff that and the busted down whore of a mule it rode in on. And while I am at it John Kasich can suck my ass too and then jump off a bridge.

Ewwww....Kasich? 

[libertybele]

But full repeal isn't possible.  The votes aren't there.  It's time to move on, unless you're happy with ObamaCare remaining the law of the land.   

It's time for a pragmatic solution, an incremental fix that's politically possible, and moves the ball in a conservative direction.

B.S. Jazz, quite frankly this vote should have taken place a long time ago, they took months monkeying around making it look like they were actually doing something.  They should have repealed the dang thing and passed the 2015 bill.  All this is nothing but another smoke and mirror show.   

[RetBobbyMI]

Congress is just plain and simple out of control.  Two things need to happen: repeal the 16th Amendment to abolish the income tax and put selection of Senators back on the state legislatures where it originally was.  By repealing the 16th Amendment, the Congress would have as their only option taxing the states.  If a Senator voted to raise taxes on their respective states, that state could easily recall them.  Checkmate!


https://www.conventionofstates.com/

[Oceander]

Congress is just plain and simple out of control.  Two things need to happen: repeal the 16th Amendment to abolish the income tax and put selection of Senators back on the state legislatures where it originally was.  By repealing the 16th Amendment, the Congress would have as their only option taxing the states.  If a Senator voted to raise taxes on their respective states, that state could easily recall them.  Checkmate!


https://www.conventionofstates.com/

Simply repealing the 16th would not prevent an income tax.  At most it would prevent income tax on rents, capital gains, and dividends, but it would not prevent income tax on wages. 

[Suppressed]

Everybody in America, rich or poor, white or black, can get essential medical treatment.

@truth_seeker @skeeter @Jazzhead

Yes, and you don't give a hoot that someone else is paying for that, do you?  As long as you've got yours, you don't care that hospitals are mandated by law without reimbursement.  It's fine for the American people to mandate this, just don't make them share in the cost, eh?

[HonestJohn]

Cotton and Paul get the best medical insurance and care any human being can get on this planet thanks to their worthless jobs while the rest of us bust our asses to get by doing real tangible work.

Who gives a shit about the pork when the damn house is burning down. I do not have the time or money for these azzholes to be taking moral stands anymore.

You should explain how the 'house is burning down'...

[Suppressed]

Seven Republicans voted against it.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,273509.0.html

Yes, and it's about time we voted out conservatives like Mike Lee and Rand Paul and got some good liberals in there!


 

[truth_seeker]

@truth_seeker @skeeter @Jazzhead

Yes, and you don't give a hoot that someone else is paying for that, do you?  As long as you've got yours, you don't care that hospitals are mandated by law without reimbursement.  It's fine for the American people to mandate this, just don't make them share in the cost, eh?

I merely stated a fact, but did NOT say if I approved or didn't approve.

Your language is sort of accusatory, unless I am misunderstanding. Which wouldn't be the first time.

It is my understanding that medical treatment has been available FOR A LONG TIME IN AMERICA. Not just recently under Bush, Obama or Trump to remove the usual suspects from the equation.

My point was to differentiate between free medical treatment (which we have had all along), and free medical insurance (which is what Obamacare boils down to for some).

[roamer_1]

We can't wait that long.  Some of these Senators won't be up for reelection for several years.

The ACA needs to fixed now.  Stop getting off on dreams of fratricide and instead focus on finding a policy solution.

No, it doesn't need to be 'fixed'.
It CAN'T be fixed.

What will happen now, is that it will die, horribly, and suddenly. Smothered finally, by the weight of it's own fantastical premise.

And it will hurt a helluva lot more people in it's death throes than a structured repeal would have done. And it will cost a helluva lot more money.

Dumbasses.

[dfwgator]

Remember this is all John Roberts' fault.  His vote is responsible for this.

[truth_seeker]

Remember this is all John Roberts' fault.  His vote is responsible for this.

He voted to in effect let legislators decide. If more Republicans vote for it to end, it will end.

To date Republicans are only united, when it is symbolic. Seven as of today.

[TomSea]

Better half a loaf than none at all. Now, we get Obamacare because of all the principled conservatives.

[txradioguy]

Better half a loaf than none at all. Now, we get Obamacare because of all the principled conservatives.

You don't realize that Pelosi completely shut Republicans from having any say or input in the ACA don't you?

[libertybele]

Congress is just plain and simple out of control.  Two things need to happen: repeal the 16th Amendment to abolish the income tax and put selection of Senators back on the state legislatures where it originally was.  By repealing the 16th Amendment, the Congress would have as their only option taxing the states.  If a Senator voted to raise taxes on their respective states, that state could easily recall them.  Checkmate!


https://www.conventionofstates.com/