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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #225 on: July 24, 2017, 06:23:55 pm »
To can play at this stupid game.

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Donald Trump is NOT Natural Born
 




     Donald John Trump, Senior, was born in Queens, New York on June 14, 1946. He presents himself as a person eligible to the Office of President of the United States, yet, he does not have the parentage necessary to be a "natural born citizen."

 

     His father was American born Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905, in Woodhaven, New York.  Frederick died at age 93, June 25, 1999, in New Hyde Park, New York.  From his father, Donald received an American early home education. 

 

      Donald's mother was Scottish born immigrant Mary Anne MacLeod, born May 10, 1912, in Stornway, Scotland.  She died August 7, 2000 in Hyde Park, New York.   

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #226 on: July 24, 2017, 06:29:39 pm »
It seems they don't touch anything but campaign finance...they leave the eligibility issue to each individual state...and none of them that I can find declared Cruz ineligible to run for President.

At the end of the day it is still a higher level of knowledge than yours...as is my knowledge of the Constitution....of which...especially in this instance...you have none.

And unlike you and the rest of the birthers...I at least have the humility to admit when I've made a mistake and correct said mistake.

You on the other hand....

I am not nor was ever a "birther," and this case shows your depth stops with name-calling. You were wrong on the FEC  as I noticed, and pointed out.
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #227 on: July 24, 2017, 06:53:00 pm »
There is a strong argument based on the case of Wong Kim Ark v. U.S. that Cruz is not a "natural born citizen" because he was born outside of the U.S. and inside of another country (and his parents weren't part of the U.S. diplomatic mission to that country).   That position is not a foregone conclusion based on that case because the case itself dealt with the application of the 14th Amendment to the child of Chinese subjects who at the time of his birth were domiciled in the U.S.   in the course of discussion, however, the Court went over the history of citizenship and alienage by birth, noted that the clear common law rule had always been that an individual was a citizen of the country where he was born, even if his parents were not, and held that the 14th Amendment essentially restated the rule as it had always applied to whites and then made that rule's applicstion to everyone mandatory, regardless of race.  In other words, the 14th essentially restated the ancient rule that citizenship in the place of birth arose automatically (i.e., "naturally").   The two basic exceptions being for children whose parents were part of a diplomatic mission or an occupying foreign army.   

As I said, Cruz' case is the opposite of the facts dealt with in Wong Kim Ark, but the case did rest on what was considered normative common law at the time and therefore is strong persuasive authority for the argument that Cruz is not a "natural born citizen".

Too bad, because look at the white trash "natural born citizen" we have in office now; NBC doesn't provide any guarantee of value.   

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #228 on: July 24, 2017, 07:05:52 pm »
Two can play at this stupid game.

http://natural-borncitizens.com/donaldtrumpnotnaturalborn.html

You can add the fact that 4 of 5 DJT's children had mothers who didn't become citizens until they came to this country.

So thankfully NO POTUS DJT, Jr. Eric, Ivanka, or Baron
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #229 on: July 24, 2017, 07:29:07 pm »
Not anymore. I was promoted to MOD 4 3/4 because of being able to keep you down and your soul crushed here at the site.

Cheers!

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #230 on: July 24, 2017, 07:57:42 pm »
You can add the fact that 4 of 5 DJT's children had mothers who didn't become citizens until they came to this country.

So thankfully NO POTUS DJT, Jr. Eric, Ivanka, or Baron

If they were born within the geographical confines of the U.S. they're eligible, no matter the citizenship of their mothers. 

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #231 on: July 24, 2017, 08:48:00 pm »
I find it amazing to read all this pretend insistence on fealty to the Constitution over what "natural born" entails.

I notice that the vitriol against Cruz fitting the requirements are being harped upon by the very same people who ridicule the adherence to foundational principles when it comes to Trump.

The other funny fact is that Cruz has not announced a candidacy for President - so this rehashed argument that already has been beaten to death since late 2015 and all of 2016 is pretty stupid.

If ObamaCare can be argued by Republicans to be perfectly "Constitutional", I laugh at the attempt to argue fealty to it in terms of keeping a staunch Conservative they hate off a ballot.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #232 on: July 25, 2017, 02:16:50 am »
I swore to myself I would never post here again. But, I felt compelled to give my support for your line of reasoning on NBC, jpsb

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #233 on: July 25, 2017, 02:17:47 am »
Nice to see you again @aligncare and yes this is the NT HQ.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #234 on: July 25, 2017, 02:20:47 am »
Nice to see you again @aligncare and yes this is the NT HQ.

It sure is.  The CNN version of Fair and Balanced
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #235 on: July 25, 2017, 02:23:57 am »
It sure is.  The CNN version of Fair and Balanced

Hardly.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #236 on: July 25, 2017, 02:27:35 am »
Hardly.

It's become the mirror image of TOS.
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #237 on: July 25, 2017, 02:28:49 am »
It's become the mirror image of TOS.

No, it hasn't.  It has succeeded in remaining open to all, despite the best efforts of the Trump-worshippers to turn it into a mini version of TOS.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #238 on: July 25, 2017, 02:30:44 am »
No, it hasn't.  It has succeeded in remaining open to all, despite the best efforts of RiV and the other Trump-worshippers to turn it into a mini version of TOS.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #239 on: July 25, 2017, 02:46:54 am »
It's become the mirror image of TOS.

@driftdiver I'm really surprised to see you say that.  I don't see it that way at all.  For one thing, one side or the other would have been banned by now.  Judging by just the last few comments, there's no speech being shut down.  Why do you think it's like TOS?
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #240 on: July 25, 2017, 02:51:08 am »
@driftdiver I'm really surprised to see you say that.  I don't see it that way at all.  For one thing, one side or the other would have been banned by now.  Judging by just the last few comments, there's no speech being shut down.  Why do you think it's like TOS?

Vicarious attack dogs to any dissenting views

Nearly every thread turns into a bash Trump thread.

Broad insults against anyone who doesn't toe the bash Trump line.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #241 on: July 25, 2017, 02:52:22 am »
Vicarious attack dogs to any dissenting views

Nearly every thread turns into a bash Trump thread.

Broad insults against anyone who doesn't toe the bash Trump line.



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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #242 on: July 25, 2017, 02:54:18 am »
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There you go again.  Moderation dude.
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #243 on: July 25, 2017, 02:57:26 am »
Vicarious attack dogs to any dissenting views

Nearly every thread turns into a bash Trump thread.

Broad insults against anyone who doesn't toe the bash Trump line.

But, you know I could argue exactly the opposite, right?  Anything that isn't completely approving of Trump attracts the pro-Trump group who immediately start after the other members instead of discussing the topic. 

Sorry, I neglected to ping you @driftdiver.
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #244 on: July 25, 2017, 03:07:54 am »
It's become the mirror image of TOS.

Wake us when the Mods and owner start banning you because you are not showing proper fealty to their chosen political savior, then we can talk about mirrors.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #245 on: July 25, 2017, 03:09:26 am »
Wake us when the Mods and owner start banning you because you are not showing proper fealty to their chosen political savior, then we can talk about mirrors.



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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #246 on: July 25, 2017, 03:28:27 am »
Vicarious attack dogs to any dissenting views

Nearly every thread turns into a bash Trump thread.

Broad insults against anyone who doesn't toe the bash Trump line.

It's a shame you have to put up with such persecution.

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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #247 on: July 25, 2017, 03:38:09 am »
   There are quite a few Trump Safe Forums/Blogs out there, TOS, Trumpbart and others, why do they feel the desire to come in here and whine about how unfair we are. 
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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #248 on: July 25, 2017, 03:42:02 am »
But, you know I could argue exactly the opposite, right?  Anything that isn't completely approving of Trump attracts the pro-Trump group who immediately start after the other members instead of discussing the topic.


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Re: Sessions: No plans to resign after Trump attack
« Reply #249 on: July 25, 2017, 03:52:34 am »
   There are quite a few Trump Safe Forums/Blogs out there, TOS, Trumpbart and others, why do they feel the desire to come in here and whine about how unfair we are. 
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   Apparently, because most NT'ers don't whine much about the flak they get, The Et'ers conclude it's Trump Hate Central.     
   Shame really, because some of them can bring great thoughts/opinions to Threads.

Bears repeating.  Snowflakes over in the Trump camp cried and received  a safe space during the election season.  Therefore they could avoid  mean people who rightfully questioned Trump's psychological fitness to be  POTUS.   All good I guess, in that way they could live in their realm of denial.
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