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White House adviser Steve Bannon is pushing for a tax hike on the top income bracket in order to balance massive middle and working class tax cuts and a steep reduction in the corporate rate.

Bannon, the leader of the populist faction in the West Wing, has told colleagues that he wants the top marginal income tax rate to “have a 4 in front of it,” Axios reported. The highest tax bracket is currently 39.6 percent for Americans who earn more than $418,400.

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Re: Bannon Suggests Making High Earners Fund Tax Cut On Working Class
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 11:23:19 am »
A higher marginal rate could make sense, but only in the context of comprehensive personal and corporate income tax reform. e.g. the current 40% rate is inherently unfair, but no more than the draconian formula for taxation of 85% of social security benefits when contributions were already taxed at marginal rates...
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 11:33:54 am »
This sounds a little bit like a vote buying to me. 

Give working and middle-class people tax cuts while raising taxes on the rich while keeping entitlements is a recipe for insolvency 
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 12:00:16 pm »
I have a novel idea.  Cut spending
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2017, 12:12:44 pm »
How Liberal Democrat of him.
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Re: Bannon Suggests Making High Earners Fund Tax Cut On Working Class
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2017, 01:02:33 pm »
This sounds a little bit like a vote buying to me. 

Give working and middle-class people tax cuts while raising taxes on the rich while keeping entitlements is a recipe for insolvency

Lower and middle class pay almost no income tsx now. If we are giving a tax break, how about to the people who are paying the taxes?  There are plenty of working class people in the upper income bracket.  Hubby and I just barely break into the top bracket.  We both work 60+ hours a week, nights , weekends and holidays.  I have had several 13 hour days in a row and I go back to work later today on a holiday to work until midnight or later.  We work hard for our money and delayed any income at all into our 30's to get the extensive training we need. Why should the government take 1/2 of what we make?  And taking even more is ok?  If the majority of people in the country paid anywhere near our tax burden the next American revolution would start tomorrow.
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Re: Bannon Suggests Making High Earners Fund Tax Cut On Working Class
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2017, 01:11:44 pm »
Lower and middle class pay almost no income tsx now. If we are giving a tax break, how about to the people who are paying the taxes?  There are plenty of working class people in the upper income bracket.  Hubby and I just barely break into the top bracket.  We both work 60+ hours a week, nights , weekends and holidays.  I have had several 13 hour days in a row and I go back to work later today on a holiday to work until midnight or later.  We work hard for our money and delayed any income at all into our 30's to get the extensive training we need. Why should the government take 1/2 of what we make?  And taking even more is ok?  If the majority of people in the country paid anywhere near our tax burden the next American revolution would start tomorrow.

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Personally I think there shouldn't be any payroll withholding.  If people had to write a check for their tax it would get their attention.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2017, 01:20:20 pm »
I have a novel idea.  Cut spending

Oh, that's funny!  Like they would ever do that!


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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2017, 02:02:41 pm »
Lower and middle class pay almost no income tsx now. If we are giving a tax break, how about to the people who are paying the taxes?  There are plenty of working class people in the upper income bracket.  Hubby and I just barely break into the top bracket.  We both work 60+ hours a week, nights , weekends and holidays.  I have had several 13 hour days in a row and I go back to work later today on a holiday to work until midnight or later.  We work hard for our money and delayed any income at all into our 30's to get the extensive training we need. Why should the government take 1/2 of what we make?  And taking even more is ok?  If the majority of people in the country paid anywhere near our tax burden the next American revolution would start tomorrow.

As I said, any increase in marginal rates would have to be part of comprehensive reform. That might include things like much higher thresholds for the top marginal rates, or lower small-corporation rates that might make it practical for people like you to defer, shelter, and recharacterize income by incorporating. As it is, even if Obama's increases were rolled back, you would still be paying a higher rate than, say, Warren Buffet, whose income all gets cap gains treatment. That's why I say that comprehensive reform could conceivably include a higher top rate and still be far fairer than the current structure.

At the bottom end of the spectrum, everyone should pay something. The recipe for disaster is 50% of the population voting for more benefits that someone else pays for. Say what you will about European socialist states, but at least the average citizen is willing to pay for things like "free" health care through VAT taxes...
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 02:34:45 pm »
The only thing Bannon needs to be pushing is Aricept.

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2017, 03:08:31 pm »
Personally I think there shouldn't be any payroll withholding.  If people had to write a check for their tax it would get their attention.

One of the best proposals George H.W. Bush put forth.

But Uncle Sam wants his money, not a bunch of deadbeats who can't pay on April 15.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2017, 03:18:35 pm »
As I said, any increase in marginal rates would have to be part of comprehensive reform. That might include things like much higher thresholds for the top marginal rates, or lower small-corporation rates that might make it practical for people like you to defer, shelter, and recharacterize income by incorporating. As it is, even if Obama's increases were rolled back, you would still be paying a higher rate than, say, Warren Buffet, whose income all gets cap gains treatment. That's why I say that comprehensive reform could conceivably include a higher top rate and still be far fairer than the current structure.

At the bottom end of the spectrum, everyone should pay something. The recipe for disaster is 50% of the population voting for more benefits that someone else pays for. Say what you will about European socialist states, but at least the average citizen is willing to pay for things like "free" health care through VAT taxes...

What about a flat tax?

How do you apply VAT in states that have no sales tax?
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Re: Bannon Suggests Making High Earners Fund Tax Cut On Working Class
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2017, 03:21:30 pm »
One of the best proposals George H.W. Bush put forth.

But Uncle Sam wants his money, not a bunch of deadbeats who can't pay on April 15.

Nah, I don't need to write a check to know taxes suck.

How about an opt in proposal?

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2017, 04:14:29 pm »
What about a flat tax?

How do you apply VAT in states that have no sales tax?

The fact that socialists use VAT to fund is irrelevant. What matters is that they don't expect to get something for nothing, as the tax deadbeats here do.

A (revenue neutral) flat tax would likely really soak the rich - no more cap gains/dividend treatment. And the complexity of the current system isn't multiple brackets, it's what is or isn't taxable income, and when. e.g. is the money taken out of your paycheck for SS income? Is it income again when you eventually get it back? Is employer-paid health insurance taxable income? Retirement accounts? I'm not saying a flat tax couldn't be part of the solution, but that alone wouldn't clean up much of the current mess...
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Re: Bannon Suggests Making High Earners Fund Tax Cut On Working Class
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2017, 06:48:19 pm »
How Liberal Democrat of him.
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2017, 08:43:13 pm »
Lower and middle class pay almost no income tsx now. If we are giving a tax break, how about to the people who are paying the taxes?  There are plenty of working class people in the upper income bracket.  Hubby and I just barely break into the top bracket.  We both work 60+ hours a week, nights , weekends and holidays.  I have had several 13 hour days in a row and I go back to work later today on a holiday to work until midnight or later.  We work hard for our money and delayed any income at all into our 30's to get the extensive training we need. Why should the government take 1/2 of what we make?  And taking even more is ok?  If the majority of people in the country paid anywhere near our tax burden the next American revolution would start tomorrow

Well, that all makes you one of the evil rich(channeling my inner Bernie)
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2017, 08:46:20 pm »
I have a novel idea.  Cut spending

That's what will need to eventually happen but cutting spending isn't very popular. Promising tax cuts while promising more "freebies" is.

IOWs, should this idea pass, be ready to see trillion dollar deficits again
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2017, 11:28:18 pm »
That's what will need to eventually happen but cutting spending isn't very popular.

It sure isn't going to happen with these guys in charge.  There is a disturbing amount of overlap with populism and socialism.

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2017, 11:58:17 pm »
dang. wish I felt rich ...

But I don't think the real definition of rich (those making more than me  ^-^) should be taxed at a higher rate either. How is it moral to take 40% or more of someones earnings?  In any other context that is called theft
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2017, 12:27:43 am »
dang. wish I felt rich ...

But I don't think the real definition of rich (those making more than me  ^-^) should be taxed at a higher rate either. How is it moral to take 40% or more of someones earnings?  In any other context that is called theft

And state and local taxes can easily push it over 50%. But of course the really rich people have only a small fraction of income taxed at the marginal rate. If you're Jeff Bezos, you don't need no stinkin' ordinary income - you just sell a few thousand shares of AMZN and pay the 20% cap gains tax (and live in a state with no income tax)...
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2017, 12:45:07 am »
That's what populism looks like. Even more progressive than it is now. Of course the masses want to tax somebody else more to get more free stuff.

It has nothing to do with actually making the country stronger, wealthier and raising everyone's standard of living.

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2017, 12:57:34 am »
That's what populism looks like. Even more progressive than it is now. Of course the masses want to tax somebody else more to get more free stuff.

It has nothing to do with actually making the country stronger, wealthier and raising everyone's standard of living.


No one wants to hear that.  Everyone wants to hear only smooth and easy things.

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2017, 12:58:43 am »
If one reads the article, it says Bannon's views are opposed to the proposed Trump tax plan but if Never Trumpers have their right to slander in their safe spaces, have at it.


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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2017, 01:13:47 am »
dang. wish I felt rich ...

But I don't think the real definition of rich (those making more than me  ^-^) should be taxed at a higher rate either. How is it moral to take 40% or more of someones earnings?  In any other context that is called theft

I've never understood the desire for people who pay more than I do to be expected to pay even more.  And just how is it that their "fair share" is more than mine???  Darn odd definition of "fair", IMO.
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2017, 01:37:34 am »
If one reads the article, it says Bannon's views are opposed to the proposed Trump tax plan but if Never Trumpers have their right to slander in their safe spaces, have at it.

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