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Re: Bannon Suggests Making High Earners Fund Tax Cut On Working Class
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2017, 01:45:50 am »
If one reads the article, it says Bannon's views are opposed to the proposed Trump tax plan but if Never Trumpers have their right to slander in their safe spaces, have at it.

Who was it that proposed a "wealth tax"? A "one time" tax on all the assets one has to the tune of 14.25%. Care to name any other "conservatives" that have proposed such a thing?

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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2017, 01:48:44 am »
If one reads the article, it says Bannon's views are opposed to the proposed Trump tax plan but if Never Trumpers have their right to slander in their safe spaces, have at it.

Bannon has also promoted massive deficit spending "while interest rates are low."  Why did Trump hire this guy as White House Chief Strategist, unless he agrees with him on some level?

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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2017, 03:02:00 am »
Like your pro-choice views.

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2017, 03:04:02 am »
If one reads the article, it says Bannon's views are opposed to the proposed Trump tax plan but if Never Trumpers have their right to slander in their safe spaces, have at it.

Quit trolling the locals. You have been doing well with the slander yourself. MOD4

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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2017, 03:21:38 am »
   Is there that many Texans here, that I would be considered a 'Local' @mod?
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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2017, 12:24:43 pm »
I have a novel idea.  Cut spending

The CBO says that the Senate health care reform bill will save over $300 billion in spending.   Unfortunately,  it appears that opposition from at least four conservatives will sink it.   

Maybe it is time to finance the corporate tax cuts that the economy needs by raising taxes on the rich.   I'd rather do it a different way, but if the GOP caucus can't get its conservatives to agree with its centrists,  I bet a bipartisan coalition could agree on corporate income tax cuts financed by higher marginal income tax rates on the rich.   

I can see why Bannon would take that deal.   
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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2017, 02:38:56 pm »
The CBO says that the Senate health care reform bill will save over $300 billion in spending.   Unfortunately,  it appears that opposition from at least four conservatives will sink it.   

Maybe it is time to finance the corporate tax cuts that the economy needs by raising taxes on the rich.   I'd rather do it a different way, but if the GOP caucus can't get its conservatives to agree with its centrists,  I bet a bipartisan coalition could agree on corporate income tax cuts financed by higher marginal income tax rates on the rich.   

I can see why Bannon would take that deal.   

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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2017, 02:57:21 pm »
The CBO says that the Senate health care reform bill will save over $300 billion in spending.   Unfortunately,  it appears that opposition from at least four conservatives will sink it.   

As well is should get sunk.  IIRC the CBO said that Obamacare was "deficit neutral" as well and we see how that worked out.

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Maybe it is time to finance the corporate tax cuts that the economy needs by raising taxes on the rich.   I'd rather do it a different way, but if the GOP caucus can't get its conservatives to agree with its centrists,  I bet a bipartisan coalition could agree on corporate income tax cuts financed by higher marginal income tax rates on the rich.
 

Corporate business tax rates in the U.S. are the highest in the world (356%).  We are in the bottom half of business friendly countries.

The notion that we need to somehow tie tax cuts on corporations...their corporate tax rate not the income tax rate since 90% of companies don't pay "income" tax to raising the rate on the "rich is just silly.

Especially since those eeevil 1%'ers pay 39% of all income taxes in the U.S. and the top 50% of tax payers make up 97% of those that pay income taxes.

The majority of small businesses are run by those so called "rich" people you want to increase the tax burden on.  How much do you think they'll be willing to invest if their tax burden increases and their pool of cash to use towards their business shrinks?

Cut the tax rates across the board and watch the economy rebound.  You class warfare types never seem to get that.

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I can see why Bannon would take that deal.   

Of course you do.  Bless your heart.
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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2017, 02:59:27 pm »
Corporate taxation is a target-rich area. Potential benefits for the economy and even small investors abound - repatriation of off-shore profits, incentivizing domestic investment, eliminating double taxation of dividends, attracting foreign capital and entrepreneurs...

IMO the corporate gains tax needs to be slashed about 5-7% right now and the 36% corporate tax rate needs to comedown about 8% as well.

Right now because of our high corporate tax rates and over zealous executive branch departments like the EPA and OSHA as well as the out of control labor unions...the U.S. isn't considered very business friendly these days.
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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2017, 03:05:07 pm »
IMO the corporate gains tax needs to be slashed about 5-7% right now and the 36% corporate tax rate needs to comedown about 8% as well.

Right now because of our high corporate tax rates and over zealous executive branch departments like the EPA and OSHA as well as the out of control labor unions...the U.S. isn't considered very business friendly these days.

"Corporate taxes" is an oxymoron.  Corporations pay taxes by raising their prices and the tax money comes from individuals who use those corporations in the form of higher prices.  This makes the corporation less competitive, and they look for savings in a number of ways - most commonly by using cheaper foreign sources for materials and/or labor.  And, by moving out of the US.

It's magic-thinking to say that corporations can/should pay higher taxes.

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« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2017, 03:07:26 pm »
I've never understood the desire for people who pay more than I do to be expected to pay even more.  And just how is it that their "fair share" is more than mine???  Darn odd definition of "fair", IMO.

And as usual, government (the leftists' god) determines what is ""fair"".   It's pure socialism (communism w/a smiley face).... and it's just more of the Obama wealth redistribution BS that's been going on for the past eight years (and longer than that if you count the pre-Bush-tax-cut days).
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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2017, 03:08:01 pm »
"Corporate taxes" is an oxymoron.  Corporations pay taxes by raising their prices and the tax money comes from individuals who use those corporations in the form of higher prices.  This makes the corporation less competitive, and they look for savings in a number of ways - most commonly by using cheaper foreign sources for materials and/or labor.  And, by moving out of the US.

It's magic-thinking to say that corporations can/should pay higher taxes.

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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2017, 03:10:28 pm »
"Corporate taxes" is an oxymoron.  Corporations pay taxes by raising their prices and the tax money comes from individuals who use those corporations in the form of higher prices.  This makes the corporation less competitive, and they look for savings in a number of ways - most commonly by using cheaper foreign sources for materials and/or labor.  And, by moving out of the US.

It's magic-thinking to say that corporations can/should pay higher taxes.

Thanks to the anti-capitalist leftists (that's commies for those in Rio Linda) in the US.... the USA corps pay some of the highest taxes in the world right now.  They have deliberately kept the US economy stagnant due to their hatred of capitalism, free market and the US's prosperity.  The USA is evil, you see.... and must be punished.... along with all the greedy Americans.
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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2017, 03:17:46 pm »
Cut the tax rates across the board and watch the economy rebound.  You class warfare types never seem to get that.


You're a liar, of course.  I'd love to see income tax rates cut across the board.  I understand better than you the impact such rate cuts can have on the economy, but what you fail to understand is the political drama that keeps those "no brainer" tax rate cuts from being adopted. 

 The health care reform savings would have paid for corporate and even individual tax rate cuts, but conservatives won't permit those savings to materialize.  So where to go?  Bipartisan tax reform may be an answer.    I'd increase income tax rates on the rich to pay for corporate tax rate cuts, and allow small businessmen to incorporate to take advantage of the lower corporate rates.   The small businessmen that you seem concerned about mostly use the "S" corp rules to pay income tax at individual rates.   But simple incorporation can solve that problem and promote growth, especially if corporate rates can be reduced to around 20%.   It will also help consumers, since most corporate taxes get passed through to consumers in higher prices.   
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« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2017, 03:20:44 pm »
"Corporate taxes" is an oxymoron.  Corporations pay taxes by raising their prices and the tax money comes from individuals who use those corporations in the form of higher prices.  This makes the corporation less competitive, and they look for savings in a number of ways - most commonly by using cheaper foreign sources for materials and/or labor.  And, by moving out of the US.

It's magic-thinking to say that corporations can/should pay higher taxes.

Correct!   That's why I'd like to see corporate tax rates as low as possible -  and raising income tax rates paid by the rich is a perfectly sound way to gain the revenue needed to lower those rates.   Are there better ways?  Sure, but since the GOP can't get its act together, its time to put partisanship aside and search for bi-partisan solutions.   
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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2017, 03:22:39 pm »
You're a liar, of course.

Projection - from the biggest liar on this board.
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« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2017, 03:27:46 pm »
  I'd love to see income tax rates cut across the board.

Did someone hijack your account?  Because it wasn't that long ago that you said:

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Maybe it is time to finance the corporate tax cuts that the economy needs by raising taxes on the rich.

That doesn't sound like the ramblings of someone who is in favor of across the board tax cuts.
 
But it does lead me to believe that at the end of the day:

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You're a liar, of course.

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« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2017, 03:28:33 pm »
Projection - from the biggest liar on this board.

And nothing to back up what he's saying except for a smart mouth.
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« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2017, 03:33:02 pm »
And nothing to back up what he's saying except for a smart mouth.

He continually insists he is a 'Conservative', yet his posting history on every single issue is right where Hillary Clinton sits.

He even uses Leftist talking points when making his arguments.

So yeah - when he makes accusations such as he does - he needs to be put in his place and called out for what he is.
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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2017, 03:43:23 pm »
Correct!   That's why I'd like to see corporate tax rates as low as possible -  and raising income tax rates paid by the rich is a perfectly sound way to gain the revenue needed to lower those rates.   Are there better ways?  Sure, but since the GOP can't get its act together, its time to put partisanship aside and search for bi-partisan solutions.

@Jazzhead, I have long suspected that you only read what you want to read.  Which obviously leads to questions about your motives in posting here.  The "taxing the rich" idea has been repeatedly and conclusively debunked on a number of threads on this forum, and I'm pretty sure that a number of them have been addressed directly to you.

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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2017, 03:45:15 pm »
Correct!   That's why I'd like to see corporate tax rates as low as possible -  and raising income tax rates paid by the rich is a perfectly sound way to gain the revenue needed to lower those rates.   Are there better ways?  Sure, but since the GOP can't get its act together, its time to put partisanship aside and search for bi-partisan solutions.

So you want to lower rates by raising them?  And what is your definition of rich?  Just what do you think gives you or the government the right to the fruits of anothers labor at a rate more than everyone else just because you want it?
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« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2017, 03:47:17 pm »
The CBO says that the Senate health care reform bill will save over $300 billion in spending.   Unfortunately,  it appears that opposition from at least four conservatives will sink it.   

Maybe it is time to finance the corporate tax cuts that the economy needs by raising taxes on the rich.   I'd rather do it a different way, but if the GOP caucus can't get its conservatives to agree with its centrists,  I bet a bipartisan coalition could agree on corporate income tax cuts financed by higher marginal income tax rates on the rich.   

I can see why Bannon would take that deal.   

Of course you do.  You are both liberals who think they are entitled to other peoples stuff
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« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2017, 04:12:43 pm »
Of course you do.  You are both liberals who think they are entitled to other peoples stuff

And.... who think that if you have built a good, solid career for yourself (by paying for your own education, training and skills) and end up with a good-paying job....

you just got lucky.  (ie you didn't earn, build OR deserve that)
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« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2017, 04:35:24 pm »
So you want to lower rates by raising them?  And what is your definition of rich?  Just what do you think gives you or the government the right to the fruits of anothers labor at a rate more than everyone else just because you want it?

What I'd like to do is cut spending.  Barring that, taxes need to be collected to pay for that spending, hopefully in amounts large enough not to leave my kids in the hole of paying for your and my generation's profligacy.     

So how do we raise that revenue?   Are we talking philosophically, or in the real world?  Philosophically,  I prefer a flat personal income tax, with limited deductions, coupled with a judicious program of tariffs  -  and no corporate income taxes at all.  But in the real world, we have a progressive tax structure with the highest corporate income tax rates in the western world.   And partisans on both sides who won't cut deals unless there's something in it for them.   

So how do we get to where we need to be,  which IMO is a tax structure that satisfies our revenue needs while encouraging economic growth?   Well,  to my mind that best way of stimulating growth HERE AND NOW is to stop penalizing successful companies with a far-too-high corporate income tax.   As others have correctly pointed out, it's just a conduit for higher consumer prices.    But if the revenues from the corporate income tax are taken off the board (and assuming arguendo that spending can't be cut), what makes up for them?    Who do you tax instead?  Why not the rich?   Those who are productive can incorporate.  Those who aren't, let 'em dig deeper.   What matters to me is the growth that can be triggered by cutting corporate taxes.  That will benefit both you and me.   

Can we engage in an honest discussion for once?  Just once?  What taxes would YOU raise to make up the revenue lost by eliminating or reducing the corporate income tax?     
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« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2017, 04:41:59 pm »
And.... who think that if you have built a good, solid career for yourself (by paying for your own education, training and skills) and end up with a good-paying job....

you just got lucky.  (ie you didn't earn, build OR deserve that)

Dishonest bullying is, well,  boring.   Still, dishonesty deserves to be corrected.   My comment about folks being "lucky" was in the context of a health care financing system that's employer based.   You are indeed lucky if you have good employer-provided health insurance.   Because millions of us work far harder than you do,  ma'am,  and have only the crapola coverage afforded by Medicaid or ObamaCare.   Or no coverage at all.   
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