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The top U.S. Senate Republican struggled on Wednesday to salvage major healthcare legislation sought by President Donald Trump, meeting privately with a parade of skeptical senators as critics within the party urged substantial changes...

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/healthcare-bill-mcconnell-bipartisan/2017/06/28/id/798834/


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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2017, 07:44:13 pm »
So basically we're going to try and pass a bill that is barely cosmetic changes to the turd that exists now, so we can stand up on stage for a photo op, grinning, glad handing, and back slapping while telling Americans 'we did something!'
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2017, 08:09:49 pm »
So basically we're going to try and pass a bill that is barely cosmetic changes to the turd that exists now, so we can stand up on stage for a photo op, grinning, glad handing, and back slapping while telling Americans 'we did something!'

McConnell is wasting his time with democrats.  He needs to be cooperating with Cruz and Lee and maybe Rand Paul to craft a better bill that Republicans can vote for.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 08:29:47 pm »
So basically we're going to try and pass a bill that is barely cosmetic changes to the turd that exists now, so we can stand up on stage for a photo op, grinning, glad handing, and back slapping while telling Americans 'we did something!'

Yeppers ... nothing has changed!  The smoke and mirrors, dog and pony show continues on.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2017, 08:31:18 pm »
McConnell is wasting his time with democrats.  He needs to be cooperating with Cruz and Lee and maybe Rand Paul to craft a better bill that Republicans can vote for.

Are you dreaming?  Since when has McConnell listened to anything Cruz has to say?  He bold-faced lied to him.  McConnell elevates himself above everyone else, after all he is the GOP Senate majority leader!
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2017, 08:33:27 pm »
Why not?  He's done it enough to become good at it.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2017, 08:36:13 pm »
Are you dreaming?  Since when has McConnell listened to anything Cruz has to say?  He bold-faced lied to him.  McConnell elevates himself above everyone else, after all he is the GOP Senate majority leader!

Mitch McDonnell would consign the Republican party to hell before he would do anything to damage his beloved swamp!
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2017, 08:40:47 pm »
So basically we're going to try and pass a bill that is barely cosmetic changes to the turd that exists now, so we can stand up on stage for a photo op, grinning, glad handing, and back slapping while telling Americans 'we did something!'

Not we.   They.  The GOPers are trying to fail after having been given all the power they supposedly needed.  If they, the GOP, screw this up, I doubt that the voters will make that mistake (ever) again.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2017, 09:10:00 pm »
Not we.   They.  The GOPers are trying to fail after having been given all the power they supposedly needed.  If they, the GOP, screw this up, I doubt that the voters will make that mistake (ever) again.

Problem is McConnell doesn't care. There are so few GOP senators up for reelection in '18 that he's gambling he can skate. And if he does lose the Senate, why should he care? He still stands up on the stage in a suit and glad hands while changing 'bipartisan'.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2017, 09:31:53 pm »
Problem is McConnell doesn't care. There are so few GOP senators up for reelection in '18 that he's gambling he can skate. And if he does lose the Senate, why should he care? He still stands up on the stage in a suit and glad hands while changing 'bipartisan'.

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen!  :beer:
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 10:01:57 pm »
Democrats? They broke the insurance system (and fouled up health care) in the first place.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2017, 10:05:52 pm »
Democrats? They broke the insurance system (and fouled up health care) in the first place.

A glimmer of hope remains!

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,269551.msg1372574/topicseen.html#msg1372574

Let's see if Mitch will take the lifeline!
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 10:23:23 pm »
A glimmer of hope remains!

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,269551.msg1372574/topicseen.html#msg1372574

Let's see if Mitch will take the lifeline!
I think this would end up in "Alternate Realities" if that happened.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 10:28:57 pm »
Yeppers ... nothing has changed!  The smoke and mirrors, dog and pony show continues on.

This is why a straight-up repeal bill is so necessary. Let em vote no, and record the vote. See what happens.

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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2017, 10:30:59 pm »
This is why a straight-up repeal bill is so necessary. Let em vote no, and record the vote. See what happens.
I'd like to see that. Roll call all the way. I don't think there are enough testicles in Congress to do that though.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2017, 10:35:51 pm »
I'd like to see that. Roll call all the way. I don't think there are enough testicles in Congress to do that though.

Too bad we don't have a Conservative president who could use the bully pulpit to drag their a$$es before the public, and goad them mercilessly until that actually DO put up the bill...

Wouldn't that be nice...

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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2017, 10:39:51 pm »
Too bad we don't have a Conservative president who could use the bully pulpit to drag their a$$es before the public, and goad them mercilessly until that actually DO put up the bill...

Wouldn't that be nice...
That would be sweet, but it ain't gonna happen.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2017, 10:45:53 pm »
I'd like to see that. Roll call all the way. I don't think there are enough testicles in Congress to do that though.

One of the unwritten rules up there is that they protect each other no matter what!
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2017, 10:56:13 pm »
Meanwhile... the propaganda campaign against repealing ObamaCare is ongoing.  Just saw something about how drug addicts will be left high and dry (boo hoo) if the Medicaid expansion in ObamaCare is removed.  Some drug that costs $1200 a dose, that they're getting FREE via Medicaid, will be unaffordable....and they're gonna die.   WTF?   

Well duh.... it seems to me that the problem isn't repealing ObamaCare.  It's the system in place that allows one stupid drug dose to be that damned expensive in the first place.   And only the truly poor drug addicts, that can't afford to pay for their own medical care (or anything else in life), get it free?  No friggin wonder we're circling the damned drain and about to be flushed.  This kind of stupidity and insanity has only one logical ultimate end. 

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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2017, 10:58:31 pm »
This is why a straight-up repeal bill is so necessary. Let em vote no, and record the vote. See what happens.

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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2017, 11:00:57 pm »
Refusing to repeal ObamaCare "root and branch" as promised is a vote for Single Payer.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2017, 11:23:10 pm »
Not we.   They.  The GOPers are trying to fail after having been given all the power they supposedly needed.  If they, the GOP, screw this up, I doubt that the voters will make that mistake (ever) again.

So what is the alternative for voters?  The Democrats?

Voters have become so accustomed to a two-party monopoly, many of them won't ever consider a third party candidate.  So they know they were lied to, but they will continue to vote Republican because the alternative, the Democrats, is worse. 

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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2017, 11:26:10 pm »
So what is the alternative for voters?  The Democrats?

Voters have become so accustomed to a two-party monopoly, many of them won't ever consider a third party candidate.  So they know they were lied to, but they will continue to vote Republican because the alternative, the Democrats, is worse.

You might be surprised to learn just how fast that is changing.
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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2017, 11:26:17 pm »
Refusing to repeal ObamaCare "root and branch" as promised is a vote for Single Payer.

Single payer was the intent all along.  Both parties want government control over our health.  They want the power over life and death.  It's too intoxicating to pass up.

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Re: McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2017, 11:28:01 pm »
So what is the alternative for voters?  The Democrats?

Voters have become so accustomed to a two-party monopoly, many of them won't ever consider a third party candidate.  So they know they were lied to, but they will continue to vote Republican because the alternative, the Democrats, is worse.

And Thus the Uniparty Oligarchy will continue to institute Tyranny and Socialism and Communism and Despostims without any possible chance whatsoever to peaceably rectify the coming consequences, which will be a horror unlike any civilization has ever faced before during their collapses.

And that's just considering the economic fallout alone, not the cultural and ideological divides that will demand retribution for the suffering to come.
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