Mika: I’m Not Blaming Trump “Squarely” for Scalise Shooting, But . . .

[Smokin Joe]

This is the same tactic used by the left in 1963 when it was revealed that Lee Harvey Oswald was a commie or commie sympathizer.  Back then, just like today,  the libs screeched about the "climate of hate" created by those nasty right-wingers. They successfully made many millions believe Oswald was some sort of right-wing nutcase.
They even made a movie "Executive Action" in 1973 about right wingers doing the deed with Burt Lancaster starring in one of his worst roles. There really isn't anything the left won't blame conservatives for.  Even evil deeds done by their own people.

Yeah, back in the days when a Communist would shoot a Democrat. Now they'd be more likely to buy them a beer.

[Smokin Joe]

It's happened on both sides. Just look at TOS. lots of calls for violence.

Trump ain't helping the situation whatsoever.

TOS still isn't playing in movie theaters, on cable, and broadcasting via satellite.
Trump has never been my favorite, but there is a line the rhetoric crossed long ago that should have been pulled taut and use to trip those buggerers. How many news outlets advocated violence against Obama, even as the hordes were burning a town in MO  and 200 buildings in Baltimore? None, zip, zero, nada, not even the 'eeeevil' FOX.

[Smokin Joe]

The current "climate" is one where many on the left approve of this attempt to change the make-up of an elected body of Congress through mass assassinations.
It is a violent manifestation of a coup that started the day that the left's candidate lost an election.

You're kidding yourself if you believe that it would have been different if it was Ted Cruz that defeated Hillary Clinton rather than Trump.

Yeah, If Hillary had just won like she was supposed to. However Americans rejected the Left's whole shtick, and that still has them all feeling angry and hurt. That hateful rhetoric, however, has become action, and that cannot be allowed. Ranting and raving is one thing, but when the riot starts, it becomes "inciting to riot".

[Sighlass]

Mika: I’m Not Blaming Trump “Squarely” for Scalise Shooting, But . . .

Sounds like the revision the SPLC did trying to blame the shooter of Gibby of being a right wing nut. Making up crap as they go.

[truth_seeker]

Never said Trump was the problem. I and Mika said he adds to it. What Scarborough said was true as well.

So you and your good buds Mika and Joe are all on the same page? Thanks for your input.

[Victoria33]

"We also have a president who pushes fake news and conspiracy theories from birtherism to promoting violence on the campaign trail."
@txradioguy
@roamer_1
@Smokin Joe

I agree.  He encouraged violence during the campaign with his rabid speeches, attacking the other candidates and Democrats, offering to pay legal expenses if a man attacked someone in the audience, attacked judges, and does encourage violence now by his tweets, verbally attacking those in congress, judges, FBI directors, heads of foreign countries, and now the special counsel.  His outrages will continue to set off people who are already on the edge with mental problems, causing them to act out.  If Pence was president, these outrageous attacks would not happen and there would be more calm in the country.

[Frank Cannon]

His outrages will continue to set off people who are already on the edge with mental problems, causing them to act out.  If Pence was president, these outrageous attacks would not happen and there would be more calm in the country.

Mindless bullshit. Show me where Trumpists are shooting at politicians. Show me where Trumpists are calling for the death of Lefitst figures on a daily basis. Show me where the Trumpists are putting on a play where Chuck Schumer is assassinated. You can't because Trump voters are stable people despite what dime store psychological assessments you pedal.

BTW, if Pence were President he would be as attacked as Donny. Did you miss the part where he was destroyed for not going to dinner with women other than is wife, without his wife? He is considered as bad a Donny by the Left for being religious and Conservative. They HATE him.

[Smokin Joe]

"We also have a president who pushes fake news and conspiracy theories from birtherism to promoting violence on the campaign trail."
@txradioguy
@roamer_1
@Smokin Joe

I agree.  He encouraged violence during the campaign with his rabid speeches, attacking the other candidates and Democrats, offering to pay legal expenses if a man attacked someone in the audience, attacked judges, and does encourage violence now by his tweets, verbally attacking those in congress, judges, FBI directors, heads of foreign countries, and now the special counsel.  His outrages will continue to set off people who are already on the edge with mental problems, causing them to act out.  If Pence was president, these outrageous attacks would not happen and there would be more calm in the country.

@Victoria33
Regardless of what Trump does, the Left wants Hillary in. After all, it was her turn. She deserves it, etc. That is their dream, not the normal order of succession in the event the POTUS is incapacitated or steps down.
They don't want to get Trump out to put Pence in, and will attack Pence as viciously as Trump, regardless. We caught an inkling of that when Pence would not go unaccompanied by his wife to a one on one with a woman.

Oh, the left hates that, too.

Regardless of who is in the Oval Office, if it isn't a leftist they won't be happy. They will rant and riot and throw tantrums like a two year old who gets their way every time they do, because they get their way every time they do. The only thing that shut this sort of thing down (last time--60s) was shoot on sight orders for people out after curfews imposed on riot torn towns.

Oh. That worked.

When the only attention the howling two year old gets is a pop on the butt and time out, but not what they wanted, they'll try another approach, perhaps something more civil.

[Free Vulcan]

"We also have a president who pushes fake news and conspiracy theories from birtherism to promoting violence on the campaign trail."
@txradioguy
@roamer_1
@Smokin Joe

I agree.  He encouraged violence during the campaign with his rabid speeches, attacking the other candidates and Democrats, offering to pay legal expenses if a man attacked someone in the audience, attacked judges, and does encourage violence now by his tweets, verbally attacking those in congress, judges, FBI directors, heads of foreign countries, and now the special counsel.  His outrages will continue to set off people who are already on the edge with mental problems, causing them to act out.  If Pence was president, these outrageous attacks would not happen and there would be more calm in the country.

I might have agreed with you except having been alive for Reagan, W, and even Bush I, plus watching the Vietnam protests as a little kid, the violence from Trump is a blip and minor to the way the Left has operated and continues to escalate.

Trump bring it out more because he fights back. But is that his fault or those on the Left who undermine and attack on a constant basis?

[Bigun]

@Victoria33
Regardless of what Trump does, the Left wants Hillary in. After all, it was her turn. She deserves it, etc. That is their dream, not the normal order of succession in the event the POTUS is incapacitated or steps down.
They don't want to get Trump out to put Pence in, and will attack Pence as viciously as Trump, regardless. We caught an inkling of that when Pence would not go unaccompanied by his wife to a one on one with a woman.

Oh, the left hates that, too.

Regardless of who is in the Oval Office, if it isn't a leftist they won't be happy. They will rant and riot and throw tantrums like a two year old who gets their way every time they do, because they get their way every time they do. The only thing that shut this sort of thing down (last time--60s) was shoot on sight orders for people out after curfews imposed on riot torn towns.

Oh. That worked.

When the only attention the howling two year old gets is a pop on the butt and time out, but not what they wanted, they'll try another approach, perhaps something more civil.

@Smokin Joe

Sorry but that is NOT the main driver of their actions today.  The main driver is that they have now been fully cut off from control of their main financing mechanism - the government treasury - and are well aware that they cannot survive without it!  They could care less about Hillary or any other single individual in the grand scheme of things!

[Night Hides Not]

Heated rhetoric goes back & forth, and has since the colonial days.  The vast majority of violence has come from the left (and their pet religion).  Maybe the dems should censor their own comments, and concern themselves with others when the need arises.

Any student of American history knows how rough and tumble politics have been since the country was founded. Burr/Hamilton, anyone?

[Night Hides Not]

Can't we all agree that Mika is a mindless moron and that the only a stupid idiot would marry her?

...and she sent her father to his grave when the engagement was announced...he didn't think much of the groom, from what I saw of his appearances.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Sorry but that is NOT the main driver of their actions today.  The main driver is that they have now been fully cut off from control of their main financing mechanism - the government treasury - and are well aware that they cannot survive without it!  They could care less about Hillary or any other single individual in the grand scheme of things!

Well, they knew if Cankles got in, they'd get to scoop up the crumbs from looting Government and a host of programs to buy votes just like Obama did, at least until the Dollar died. By that time the "foundation" would have joined the 10 figures club, and Hillary wouldn't have cared. She'd be able to buy whatever she wanted, wherever, if not here. Of course the sycophants would have benefited. So long as a Republican has the capability of cutting funding to the Liberals' pet embezzlement schemes, from guaranteed loans to grants to mandated whatever, billions of dollars in funds will be unavailable, and possibly even their phony baloney jobs will be at risk.  Dagnabit, Pinky, that really puts the skids to the whole Socialist world domination thingy.

Well, they've about bled the patient white anyway.

Anyone who isn't them is a threat.

Now, why Rep. Scalise? Was he the target? (it seems so, and I think the Trump thing is deflection.)
(Two closer Representatives were not shot, but Scalise at Second Base was. At a 10% hit rate, the shooter was allegedly no expert, so why didn't he go for the easiest (closest) targets first? or were all the misses just window dressing to make it look like a bumbling lunatic?--which it may have been. )

What was he working on that the Dems definitely did not want to get through?

Why isn't anyone asking these questions?
Take a peek...
https://www.majoritywhip.gov/


in particular, see this: https://www.majoritywhip.gov/news/scalise-fox-business-network-dodd-frank-destroyed-community-banks/

On House passage of the Financial CHOICE Act…

    “The Financial CHOICE Act [was] passed yesterday. This is our response to Dodd-Frank, which has decimated community banks, decimated first-time homebuyers, and small businesses. Chairman Hensarling brought a great bill to the floor and you saw a very unifying conservative vote.

    “I hope the Senate takes it up. Obviously, you’ve got people like Elizabeth Warren and other radicals over in the Senate will try to undermine it, but most people know back home, Dodd-Frank has destroyed community banks.

    “We are losing a community bank every single day and that is bad for consumers, bad for first-time homebuyers, bad for small business. We need to reverse it. The Financial CHOICE Act is a big step to getting these crazy Washington regulations and red tape out of your way.”

Might the motivation be found in that?

Or this?

On President Trump’s infrastructure plans…

    “President Trump is spot on in pointing out that regulations are one of the big things holding back infrastructure projects. Not only do they delay projects by years in some cases, but they jack up the cost tremendously with no good results.

    “The fact that President Trump is not only talking about improving infrastructure with public-private partnerships, but going after the heart of these regulations that make it harder to build things in America, to upgrade our bridges, roads, and waterways. It is all going to be part of his package, and the fact that he is focused on regulations is important.”

Either way, there is big money channeled to Leftists through the banking industry and through lawsuits against infrastructure projects which are 'settled' for a >ahem< donation or fine paid ultimately to the suing entity, usually an Environmental organization, which as we saw with DAPL, and are responsible for criminal and even terrorist acts (like shutting valves on operating pipelines which could have resulted in disasters).

You are right in that we never should forget to follow the money--or where the money is being cut off.

[Jazzhead]

Ok, but that's not really a rebuttal to her statement. Bush isn't the issue here. She's saying Trump adds to the current climate, which I would definitely agree with.

The current climate is dangerously divisive and confrontational, and, let's be honest, Trump has added to that.   That's not to excuse violence as a response to heated rhetoric,  but I'd love it if Trump were to take this moment to display a little humility.   Something along the lines of stating that this vile shooting can be a teachable moment for ALL of us to tone down the rhetoric and try to come together as a nation, acknowledging the part he's played in setting the tone of discourse and promising to do better in the future. 

He doesn't need to compromise a single one of his ideas or policy goals.  But acknowledging his role in the great American meltdown would be the single greatest thing he could do to lance the boil of hate.   

[Bigun]

Well, they knew if Cankles got in, they'd get to scoop up the crumbs from looting Government and a host of programs to buy votes just like Obama did, at least until the Dollar died. By that time the "foundation" would have joined the 10 figures club, and Hillary wouldn't have cared. She'd be able to buy whatever she wanted, wherever, if not here. Of course the sycophants would have benefited. So long as a Republican has the capability of cutting funding to the Liberals' pet embezzlement schemes, from guaranteed loans to grants to mandated whatever, billions of dollars in funds will be unavailable, and possibly even their phony baloney jobs will be at risk.  Dagnabit, Pinky, that really puts the skids to the whole Socialist world domination thingy.

Well, they've about bled the patient white anyway.

Anyone who isn't them is a threat.

Now, why Rep. Scalise? Was he the target? (it seems so, and I think the Trump thing is deflection.)
(Two closer Representatives were not shot, but Scalise at Second Base was. At a 10% hit rate, the shooter was allegedly no expert, so why didn't he go for the easiest (closest) targets first? or were all the misses just window dressing to make it look like a bumbling lunatic?--which it may have been. )

What was he working on that the Dems definitely did not want to get through?

Why isn't anyone asking these questions?
Take a peek...
https://www.majoritywhip.gov/


in particular, see this: https://www.majoritywhip.gov/news/scalise-fox-business-network-dodd-frank-destroyed-community-banks/

Might the motivation be found in that?

Or this?

Either way, there is big money channeled to Leftists through the banking industry and through lawsuits against infrastructure projects which are 'settled' for a >ahem< donation or fine paid ultimately to the suing entity, usually an Environmental organization, which as we saw with DAPL, and are responsible for criminal and even terrorist acts (like shutting valves on operating pipelines which could have resulted in disasters).

You are right in that we never should forget to follow the money--or where the money is being cut off.

Excellent post!  Right on!

[Smokin Joe]

The current climate is confrontational, and, yes, Trump has added to that.   That's not to excuse violence as a response to heated rhetoric,  but I'd love it if Trump were to take this moment to display a little humility.   Something along the lines of stating that this vile shooting can be a teachable moment for ALL of us to tone down the rhetoric and try to come together as a nation, acknowledging the part he's played in setting the tone of discourse and promising to do better in the future. 

He doesn't need to compromise a single one of his ideas.  But acknowledging his role in the great American meltdown would be the single greatest thing he could do to lance the boil of hate.

Actually, I'd be happier to see a thorough investigation of the shooter and if any more was found than just another crazed leftist lunatic, I'd love to see heads on pikes. Backing down is not the way to respond to violence, it will be seen as concession (a win for the violent) and encourage the tactic.

[dfwgator]

The current climate is dangerously divisive and confrontational, and, let's be honest, Trump has added to that.   That's not to excuse violence as a response to heated rhetoric,  but I'd love it if Trump were to take this moment to display a little humility.   Something along the lines of stating that this vile shooting can be a teachable moment for ALL of us to tone down the rhetoric and try to come together as a nation, acknowledging the part he's played in setting the tone of discourse and promising to do better in the future. 

He doesn't need to compromise a single one of his ideas or policy goals.  But acknowledging his role in the great American meltdown would be the single greatest thing he could do to lance the boil of hate.

Trump is the one FINALLY confronting the Left, which previous GOP politicians have been too Chicken S to do.

[Jazzhead]

Trump is the one FINALLY confronting the Left, which previous GOP politicians have been too Chicken S to do.

And he should keep confronting the left.  But the left's easy excuse that "Trump started it"  could be effectively defused by exercising a little tactical humility.   

[kidd]

His [Trump] outrages will continue to set off people who are already on the edge with mental problems, causing them to act out. 

I think you're pointing a finger at the wrong person.
This just came out:

A Huffington Post writer appeared to criticize the baseball shooter for poor planning Wednesday, saying “violent resistance” has to be more organized to “work.”

“For violent resistance to work it’d need to be organized,” writer Jesse Benn tweeted. “Individual acts can be understandable, but likely counterproductive/ineffective.”

His tweet appears to be a comment on the attempted mass shooting at a GOP baseball practice early Wednesday morning.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/huffpo-writer-for-violent-resistance-to-work-itd-need-to-be-organized/

Is Mr. Benn is "on the edge with mental problems"?
Or did he develop his eloquent philosophy of violence because he was filled with hate before Trump became a candidate?

[dfwgator]

What was the Left's excuse when they did all these same things when W was President?   Or when Reagan was President?

[Smokin Joe]

I think you're pointing a finger at the wrong person.
This just came out:

Is Mr. Benn is "on the edge with mental problems"?
Or did he develop his eloquent philosophy of violence because he was filled with hate before Trump became a candidate?

Mr. Benn should get a 'visit'. Calling for organized execution of elected officials is an act of rebellion that should carry a serious penalty. he did not decry the act, only that it was ''disorganized', and an individual act which he decried as likely to be ineffective. By any inference, that is a call for organized violence against the duly elected officeholders in our government. 

[kidd]

Now, why Rep. Scalise? Was he the target? (it seems so, and I think the Trump thing is deflection.)
(Two closer Representatives were not shot, but Scalise at Second Base was. At a 10% hit rate, the shooter was allegedly no expert, so why didn't he go for the easiest (closest) targets first? or were all the misses just window dressing to make it look like a bumbling lunatic?--which it may have been. )

What was he working on that the Dems definitely did not want to get through?

This is an excellent point, and it merits further examination. The shooter considered tax rates to be very important at one time.
However, I think the answer might simply be that Rep. Scalise was one of the closest when the shooting began. He plays second base and the shooter came from the third base line.

[Smokin Joe]

This is an excellent point, and it merits further examination. The shooter considered tax rates to be very important at one time.
However, I think the answer might simply be that Rep. Scalise was one of the closest when the shooting began. He plays second base and the shooter came from the third base line.

But the shooter apparently ignored third base and the shortstop...they should have been easier targets. From midway along the third base line, third base, shortstop, pitcher and catcher should have all been closer.

[goatprairie]

Trump or some other candidate, I don't think it would make much difference.   The facts are the left has been turning crazier and crazier since the sixties.
Hillary probably could have coasted to the presidency is she had deigned to mix with the rabble in a number of states. But she was above that.
She thought she could echo Crazy Bernie's socialist rants instead of adopting a moderate tone like her hubby would have done.  But because Dems have been turning more and more socialist and intolerant, Hillary thought she had to go that route.
Trump, for all his faults, isn't the cause of the violence.  The left has been growing steadily more violent and deranged.  On college campi across the country the left has been denying free speech and assembly rights to  conservative speakers  many of whom are not fond of Trump.
I don't like Trump's talk about  getting violent with protesters.  But he is not the problem...the violent and crazy left is the problem in the country. They have to be stopped.

[dfwgator]

Trump or some other candidate, I don't think it would make much difference.   The facts are the left has been turning crazier and crazier since the sixties.
Hillary probably could have coasted to the presidency is she had deigned to mix with the rabble in a number of states. But she was above that.
She thought she could echo Crazy Bernie's socialist rants instead of adopting a moderate tone like her hubby would have done.  But because Dems have been turning more and more socialist and intolerant, Hillary thought she had to go that route.
Trump, for all his faults, isn't the cause of the violence.  The left has been growing steadily more violent and deranged.  On college campi across the country the left has been denying free speech and assembly rights to  conservative speakers  many of whom are not fond of Trump.
I don't like Trump's talk about  getting violent with protesters.  But he is not the problem...the violent and crazy left is the problem in the country. They have to be stopped.

Exactly.  This did not start with Trump, and it will not end with Trump.