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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #850 on: June 16, 2017, 02:06:53 pm »
Federalism is not "legalese".  State sovereignty is not "legalese".  What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts. 

Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?

Putting aside legalistic argument of entitlements of government, it may be stipulated that the People have a right to the lowest possible violent crime rate. If it can be demonstrated that more prevalence of carrying of firearms by the general population has a direct effect of reducing the violent crime rate, then the People have a legal entitlement unless proscribed with specificity by law, to enjoy lower crime rates by virtue of the free and robust exercise of their entitlement to carry firearms.

If some of the citizens of one state or the other decide that they for whatever reason, want to restrict the ability of other free citizens to enjoy second amendment rights, then it is the ones seeking abridgement who acquire the burden of proof to enact a restriction on those rights, not the other way around.

And I get the idea about shouting being unnecessary, but I share the frustration with legalistic arguments which somehow seem to make the same case - that there exists in the Constitution some sort of (forgive me) "bitch's veto" embodied in states rights, wherein sovereignty issues somehow supersede Constitutional declarations whenever some grievance arises from disgruntled citizens with hoplophobic, Statist inclinations in regard to Constitutionally-cemented 2A freedoms.
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« Reply #851 on: June 16, 2017, 02:09:24 pm »
I look at it more as we're giving the Liberal the education on the Constitution he didn't get in school.
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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #852 on: June 16, 2017, 02:10:29 pm »
Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?

Have there been any updates?
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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #853 on: June 16, 2017, 02:13:03 pm »
Federalism is not "legalese".  State sovereignty is not "legalese".  What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts. 

Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?

Modern conservatism only accepts what is convenient to their own state of rage at the moment. The movement isn't based on reason whatsoever anymore.

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« Reply #854 on: June 16, 2017, 02:15:08 pm »

Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square.  Stay the hell out of my state.

Histrionics: Jazzhead waving his opinions around in the public square.
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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #855 on: June 16, 2017, 02:17:02 pm »
Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?

Have there been any updates?

Haven't heard or seen anything since yesterday.

Hoping that no news is good news.
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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #856 on: June 16, 2017, 02:19:28 pm »
Histrionics: Jazzhead waving his opinions around in the public square.

Hell, in Michigan we can open carry in the state capitol building yet still no shootings there.

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« Reply #857 on: June 16, 2017, 02:23:15 pm »
Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?

Have there been any updates?

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And, there is this thread, but I don't see much new:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,267529.0/topicseen.html

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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #858 on: June 16, 2017, 02:23:28 pm »
Hell, in Michigan we can open carry in the state capitol building yet still no shootings there.

I don't know much but it seems like there is a difference between carrying and waving. But, that is just me.
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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #859 on: June 16, 2017, 02:23:57 pm »
Modern conservatism only accepts what is convenient to their own state of rage at the moment. The movement isn't based on reason whatsoever anymore.

QFT.  And the sad thing it, it used to be.   
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« Reply #860 on: June 16, 2017, 02:25:35 pm »
I don't know much but it seems like there is a difference between carrying and waving. But, that is just me.

I guess if you don't know what you are talking about, waving might make sense.   :laugh:

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« Reply #862 on: June 16, 2017, 02:26:45 pm »
Not surprised at your left of center rhetoric.  Your wholesale defense of anything Islamic provided a strong hint.

Support for federalism and state sovereignty is not "left of center rhetoric".  (And neither is opposition to religious bigotry.) 

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« Reply #863 on: June 16, 2017, 02:26:55 pm »
I don't know much but it seems like there is a difference between carrying and waving. But, that is just me.

Waving apparently weakens the bladders of those susceptible to it who are nearby.

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« Reply #864 on: June 16, 2017, 02:29:31 pm »
And vice versa....we don't like liberals.

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« Reply #865 on: June 16, 2017, 02:30:41 pm »
In my 59 years on this planet, not one minute of it has been spent in the state of Texas.   I do, however, own every Jerry Jeff Walker record ever issued.

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« Reply #866 on: June 16, 2017, 02:32:51 pm »
Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?

Have there been any updates?

Last night at 10PM Central the report was that he is improving but would remain hospitalized for some time. 
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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #867 on: June 16, 2017, 02:35:57 pm »
Last night at 10PM Central the report was that he is improving but would remain hospitalized for some time.

Thank you!  I haven't listened to any news, nor have I seen any updates on Fox.

I have a feeling his road to recovery is going to be a long, hard one....
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« Reply #868 on: June 16, 2017, 02:40:42 pm »
Thank you!  I haven't listened to any news, nor have I seen any updates on Fox.

I have a feeling his road to recovery is going to be a long, hard one....

I suspect you are right! But Steve is a VERY tough guy and will fight hard to recover fully!
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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #870 on: June 16, 2017, 02:44:49 pm »
Annnnddddd - the first false flag conspiracy theory from the right has reared it's head.  22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan

Anyone wants to read it, either PM me for link (or google "Columbo Investigates Scalise.")
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« Reply #871 on: June 16, 2017, 02:51:19 pm »
Annnnddddd - the first false flag conspiracy theory from the right has reared it's head.  22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan

Anyone wants to read it, either PM me for link (or google "Columbo Investigates Scalise.")

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« Reply #872 on: June 16, 2017, 02:54:58 pm »
States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic.  There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.   

Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square.  Stay the hell out of my state.

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Bad law in general has been around from the founding of the Republic. I would categorize any law that infringes on our right to bear arms as bad, by definition.

By the way, you're talking about brandishing, not bearing, which of course are two different things. 

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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #873 on: June 16, 2017, 02:55:25 pm »
Annnnddddd - the first false flag conspiracy theory from the right has reared it's head.  22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan

Anyone wants to read it, either PM me for link (or google "Columbo Investigates Scalise.")

It never takes long does it.

I've already seen claims that the police allowed the shooting to happen till they themselves were personally shot at.

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Re: BREAKING! Congressman Steve Scalise, Aides shot at baseball practice
« Reply #874 on: June 16, 2017, 02:57:12 pm »
States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic.  There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.   

Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square.  Stay the hell out of my state.

No worries.  I have absolutely no desire to live in or visit your state.   
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