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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2017, 01:30:11 pm »
Respectfully, no you are not.  You can keep telling yourself you're acting out of a superior moral compass; but, in truth, you're simply acting out.

The battle is between the globalists Marxists that desire a free flow of capital, goods and people across a border-less world.  And nationalists that wish to preserve language, culture and country. The battle has nothing to do with conservative vrs liberal. D vrs R is so 20th century. Wake up this is the 21st century and things have changed. 

Most elected Republicans are just as bad as a lot of elected Democrats. They form the uniparty and the uniparty is not your friend and does not have the best interests of the American people as a priority. 

The uniparty does the bidding of the billionaire donor class and the billionaire donor class wants cheap labor and open borders. The billionaire donor class does not give a rats ass about American jobs or American workers.

This is also a fight to the finish, had Hillary won, America as we know it would be a thing of the past. We have Trump and we have 4 years maybe 8 to turn things around. We turn things around by building the wall, deporting illegals/refugees, appointing originalests to the courts, negotiating better trades deals and getting the economy moving again.

If you oppose Trump and his America First agenda you are siding with the uniparty and the billionaire donor class that cares nothing about you or the country.  Just as the election was in fact a binary choice between Hillary and Trump the war is a binary battle between globalists and nationalists and right now the globalists are winning big time.

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2017, 01:30:44 pm »
Could it maybe be that he's just not a conservative?  That's my beef with him.  Hell, he can't even pick the low hanging fruit like tax reform.  Hell, even Bush 43 got tax reform passed quickly in a hostile environment.  Passed the House May 16, 2001 and the Senate May 23, 2001.  Trump is now saying not until next year?  Really?
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2017, 01:31:29 pm »
I am a conservative and you are accusing me of supporting PP..how dare you!

You are also not a NeverTrumper. So I do not think he had you in mind.

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2017, 01:35:55 pm »
Although Trump was elected he proves on an almost daily basis that he is not fit to serve... :shrug:

No amount of attempts at  "persuasion" by the Trump supporters will ever change that simple fact....I pretty much put them in the same category as folks selling Amway...I avoid them at all costs...




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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2017, 01:42:47 pm »
You are also not a NeverTrumper. So I do not think he had you in mind.

Makes do difference..this statement is only meant to incite counter responses..and start flame wars. It's gonna stop and stop now!
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2017, 01:43:30 pm »
Although Trump was elected he proves on an almost daily basis that he is not fit to serve... :shrug:


Nonsense.  Pure, nonsense.   And more than a  tad insulting, too.  :talkhand:

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2017, 01:47:18 pm »
Oh, baloney. Conservatives have been fighting this fight my whole life, and haven't stopped yet.

You got that right.  As Utah Senator Wallace Bennett once said, "There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government program".  Half a century later, we find Conservatives fighting to kill Obamacare while Democrats and Republicans fight to save it.  We see Conservatives fighting to end taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood while Democrats and Republicans vote again and again for it to continue.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2017, 01:53:45 pm »
You got that right.  As Utah Senator Wallace Bennett once said, "There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government program".  Half a century later, we find Conservatives fighting to kill Obamacare while Democrats and Republicans fight to save it.  We see Conservatives fighting to end taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood while Democrats and Republicans vote again and again for it to continue.

Exhibit A:  "Feds cut off phone tax after 108 years"

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2006-05-25-phone-tax_x.htm

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The Treasury Department said Thursday that it will no longer collect a 3% federal excise tax on long-distance calls and would refund about $15 billion to taxpayers.

The tax was imposed in 1898 to help pay for the Spanish-American War. It was designed as a tax on wealthy Americans, back when phone service was considered a luxury.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2017, 01:57:48 pm »
If you oppose Trump and his America First agenda you are siding with the uniparty and the billionaire donor class that cares nothing about you or the country.  Just as the election was in fact a binary choice between Hillary and Trump the war is a binary battle between globalists and nationalists and right now the globalists are winning big time.

*Yawn*.

So sick of this crap. You people demonstrate you are no different than Antifa in terms of throwing a freaking hissy fit upon those you demand must capitulate to supporting YOUR savior and YOUR cause as silly as you insist it is.

But fine - according to you, we Oppose Trump, his Nationalist and his so-called 'America-first agenda' because we want nothing to do with the GOP Oligarchy and our principles come first.

Now then, what do you intend to do about it besides continue to berate, insult, threaten and stomp your feet because we will not genuflect your leader or his party?
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2017, 01:59:59 pm »
You got that right.  As Utah Senator Wallace Bennett once said, "There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government program".  Half a century later, we find Conservatives fighting to kill Obamacare while Democrats and Republicans fight to save it.  We see Conservatives fighting to end taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood while Democrats and Republicans vote again and again for it to continue.

"Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!" - Ronald Reagan
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2017, 02:03:27 pm »
They are the conservatives that stand with Planned Parenthood, they are the conservatives who get nothing done; might as well call them Democrats and Liberals. They are disgraceful.

Says the person who voted for and continually promotes a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat who donated funds to Planned Parenthood personally, as some kind of marker of salvation.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2017, 02:12:36 pm »
Funny that so many who scoff at the liberal snowflakes who need their safe spaces to protect them from the free speech of others are now behaving the same way because their hero, Donald Trump, is being criticized. 

These people should realize that not everyone is in awe of Donald Trump, and until the First Amendment is outlawed,  they have every right to criticize him without being accused of treason, hate speech or whatever the accusation du jour is today.

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2017, 02:14:29 pm »
Funny that so many who scoff at the liberal snowflakes who need their safe spaces to protect them from the free speech of others are now behaving the same way because their hero, Donald Trump, is being criticized. 

These people should realize that not everyone is in awe of Donald Trump, and until the First Amendment is outlawed,  they have every right to criticize him without being accused of treason, hate speech or whatever the accusation du jour is today.

Conservatives still attack Trump because we're conservatives and not mindless drones.

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2017, 02:17:11 pm »
Funny that so many who scoff at the liberal snowflakes who need their safe spaces to protect them from the free speech of others are now behaving the same way because their hero, Donald Trump, is being criticized. 

These people should realize that not everyone is in awe of Donald Trump, and until the First Amendment is outlawed,  they have every right to criticize him without being accused of treason, hate speech or whatever the accusation du jour is today.

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Really?  Is that truly whats going on?   The Trump worship is mostly gone and only a few people are willing to overlook all the boneheaded stuff Trump does.   What many of us are tired of is the non-stop harping on every single little thing; much of it meaningless minutia.   Trump nominates a fine Judge to the Supreme Court and they still complain.    Then there's the thread on the hand slap his wife gave him during their recent trip.   

There are folks on both sides; Trump can do no right, and Trump can do no wrong.    Both are making this place a lot less fun.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2017, 02:22:57 pm »
Conservatives still attack Trump because we're conservatives and not mindless drones.

It all boils down to principles.  If our Conservative principles dictate withholding support for a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat and criticizing him and his actions that are damaging to those principles, then we are *haters* and 'worse-than-Democrats'/Traitors/Hillary supporters etc., etc.

Conservatism is being redefined to now mean Trump, and everything he says and does must be supported, or - we are said to be enemies.

Fine.  I'm good with being their enemy.

Garbage like the OP and the subsequent comments by the usual Trump Squadristi simply continue to widen the divide.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2017, 02:26:54 pm »
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There are folks on both sides; Trump can do no right, and Trump can do no wrong.    Both are making this place a lot less fun.

Exactly..they are ruining this site...they can either stop it, leave or get kicked out....I and the Mods worked very hard to create this sit and I am not gonna let a few destroy it!
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2017, 02:30:44 pm »
Could it maybe be that he's just not a conservative?  That's my beef with him.  Hell, he can't even pick the low hanging fruit like tax reform.  Hell, even Bush 43 got tax reform passed quickly in a hostile environment.  Passed the House May 16, 2001 and the Senate May 23, 2001.  Trump is now saying not until next year?  Really?


Tax reform? What changed for the better? What passes quickly through congress is like what passes quickly through a goose.

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2017, 02:33:44 pm »
Really?  Is that truly whats going on?   The Trump worship is mostly gone and only a few people are willing to overlook all the boneheaded stuff Trump does.   What many of us are tired of is the non-stop harping on every single little thing; much of it meaningless minutia.   Trump nominates a fine Judge to the Supreme Court and they still complain.    Then there's the thread on the hand slap his wife gave him during their recent trip.   

There are folks on both sides; Trump can do no right, and Trump can do no wrong.    Both are making this place a lot less fun.

Let's look at it in this hypothetical way: a lifelong Muslim who says he is a recent convert to Christianity gets himself *elected* Pope, and assures the faithful he will uphold the tenets of the faith, and at first he does a few things that are agreeable to the Church, but overall begins the process of redefining Christianity into a form that embraces Islam, you don't think the Faithful are going to engage in non-stop complaining and griping as they watch their religion get reshaped right in front of their faces?

Conservatism is a belief system, a way of life.  We're watching it get redefined into something other than what it's principles dictate that it is, over a cult of personality that enough people embraced out of abject fear of Hillary and the machinations of the Ruling Class Oligarchy has been attempting to Trademark the name as belonging only to their party for decades.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2017, 02:37:56 pm »
Exactly..they are ruining this site...they can either stop it, leave or get kicked out....I and the Mods worked very hard to create this sit and I am not gonna let a few destroy it!

AK, with all due respect, this very thread was launched - not as a defense of Trump - but as a non-rational attack upon members here who criticize Trump's actions.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2017, 02:39:20 pm »
Conservatives still attack Trump because we're conservatives and not mindless drones.

IMO, conservatives on this site mostly disagree with Trump on principle, and do not "attack" him personally. It is not an attack IMO to point out that he often changes his stance on most issues, or for acting unpresidential with his often insulting tweets.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2017, 02:40:03 pm »
Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump


Without having yet read the article,  I will venture that it is because nobody wants to admit they were wrong. 


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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2017, 02:41:23 pm »
AK, with all due respect, this very thread was launched - not as a defense of Trump - but as a non-rational attack upon members here who criticize Trump's actions.

I know it was...I saw it earlier and decided not to post it for that very reason...but I will not prohibit others from posting an article that I know will eventually cause problems..
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2017, 02:42:01 pm »
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Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump

Because they are mostly keyboard cowboys with nothing much else to do and would die of boredom if they didn't keep the pot stirred 24/7/365!
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2017, 02:45:45 pm »

The first and, by far, the greatest reason is this: They do not believe that America is engaged in a civil war, with the survival of America as we know it at stake.


And there it is.   People did not grasp the degree of threat that Hillary represented.   They just didn't perceive the font of evil that would have been unleashed upon us had she been victorious.   


No matter what I said,  not matter what information I provided,  I could not get some to grasp just how truly rotten was this person and how she would utilize the Federal Government to badly harm us all.   


Donald Trump was an interim measure.   He was like pounding canvas and wood into the hole in a ship's hull to prevent it from sinking.   He was by no means what I regarded as a proper repair,   but he was the best alternative available to keep us afloat until something more permanent could be done. 


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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2017, 02:46:38 pm »
Oh, baloney. Conservatives have been fighting this fight my whole life, and haven't stopped yet.


And we've been losing.   In case you haven't noticed,  the nation has drifted further and further to the left with each passing decade. 

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