Trump-Hate on TBR Overwhelming or Overblown?

[Silver Pines]

I'm not upset about it at all.

I just don't tolerate snide bullies and disparagement of fellows simply because we are governed by principles they consider foolish and an obstacle.

That's all. 

@Victoria33 's comment about not commenting on threads because of the atmosphere pretty much set me on the course to write that last entry.

@INVAR

I completely understand that. I don't take well to being bullied, either.  But we kind of have to keep the environment in mind at the same time. 

[andy58-in-nh]

Zum Wohl Prost!!!!

Danke, mein Freund!


We won the war, right?

[INVAR]

PWI????????

[bigheadfred]

TALK

[INVAR]

Danke, mein Freund!


We won the war, right?

We did.  And as a direct result we can buy their beer and sing songs to button box accompaniment.

[INVAR]

TALK

Bourbon, Scotch, Whiskey, Beer or grain alcohol?

[jpsb]

/snicker

If you knew anything about NYC real estate you'd realize the truth.  But you don't, and you won't inform yourself because God forbid you should challenge your belief in the Great Orange God.

Trump isn't the end of the world by any means.  Go back in history for any length of time and he starts to look outright competent.  But he isn't a great leader, either.  A demagogue?  Yes, he's good at that, but demagoguery is not leadership.

Trump is just one more not-so-great garden variety politician this country will have to tolerate, just as it has with so many others.

I'll take what I can get - Justice Gorsuch, for example - but I'm not going to absolve Trump of all the stupidities, nor of all the future problems he's creating, simply because of Justice Gorsuch.  George W. Bush and his overreaching led directly to Obama.  I am quite worried about what Trump and his idiocies will lead to.

Get back to me when your can compose a coherent argument.

[Bigun]

@INVAR

 

I refer you to my second-to-last post on this thread. As for the very last, yes, I got myself some whiskey, with which I now offer a toast to our fallen heroes:



I left TOS in part because of the kind of crap that we are seeing too much of here. We can disagree about Donald Trump, but we all still love America and our families and our friends.

To discuss, and even to argue about politics is a worthy and responsible endeavor.

But to make of one's political and tribal fealty a central defining premise of self-worth and a measure of the worth of others is what Conservativism explicitly rejects.

Let us please leave that to the Progressives.

 

[Mod1]

That's enough, Fred.

[truth_seeker]

Get back to me when your can compose a coherent argument.

"If you knew anything about NYC real estate you'd realize the truth."

You are "less than," since you presumably do not know anything about NYC real estate like he does.

[jpsb]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

[Silver Pines]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

@jpsb, I don't agree that NeverTrumpers outnumber Trumpers here.  I'd say the vast majority are people who voted in what they would call a "pragmatic" way---they didn't like Trump, but they liked Hillary less.

Even if it were true, the reverse is the case on that other site, so it all washes out in the end.

I agree, policies matter.  That's why I want to see Trump make good on his promises.  He needs to get off Twitter, repeal Obamacare, defund Planned Parenthood, build the wall, cut taxes, and a number of other things he said he would do.  So far I'm not seeing that much. 

[Victoria33]

And of course, aggressive anti-Trump members will be sure to vote...making it IMPOSSIBLE for anything but "OVERBLOWN" to win.
Trump supporters are out-numbered on this forum at LEAST 4 to 1.

@DCPatriot

I didn't vote - it was a dumb poll because I knew it would start another verbal fight just as the political threads start now.

[Oceander]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

If things are as bad as you say, why are you still here?  Why not go to greener pastures?  You either like it here, or you're a troll; either way, you're also a liar.

[mystery-ak]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

Wait a minute....I am a conservative probably the most conservative person on this forum, but I don't consider Trump a conservative although he is pushing some conserv policies...that does not make you a conservative.

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

[Wingnut]

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

Except for that dem plant....I'm gonna find him if it's the last thing I ever do.

[truth_seeker]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

The purpose of the poll was to demonstrate NT superiority, since NT has been almost continuously wrong since last spring and the primaries. Anything to bolster their diminished spirits.

Tomorrow it will be something new, from the leftist press, Euro press, democrat talking points, or some sermon.

Meanwhile in reality land, I believe the vast majority of Veterans are strongly in favor of Trump. This is Memorial Day, about Veterans.

[Silver Pines]

Wait a minute....I am a conservative probably the most conservative person on this forum, but I don't consider Trump a conservative although he is pushing some conserv policies...that does not make you a conservative.

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

@mystery-ak

[DCPatriot]

@DCPatriot

I didn't vote - it was a dumb poll because I knew it would start another verbal fight just as the political threads start now.

I voted...just to prove a point.

Common sense....if everybody voted, the "OVERBLOWN" would win hands down.

We don't need a stupid poll to tell us.

[INVAR]

The purpose of the poll was to demonstrate NT superiority, since NT has been almost continuously wrong since last spring and the primaries. Anything to bolster their diminished spirits.

Tomorrow it will be something new, from the leftist press, Euro press, democrat talking points, or some sermon.

If things are as bad as you say, why are you still here?  Why not go to greener pastures?  You either like it here, or you're a troll; either way, you're also a liar.

[INVAR]

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

Not according to them.

It's what this always boils down to: if we do not support Trump all-the-way-at-all-times and whatever it is he says and does, we are Libs/Hillary supporters/Democrats/DU Trolls/Leftists/Coup supporters/MSM Media operatives etc., etc., etc.

We are either with them in lockstep, or we are the enemy.

Just as I said their mindset was earlier.  They just keep demonstrating it. 

Liberty only exists if you agree with, speak and vote the way they demand it.

Otherwise we are Libs and the enemy.

[Sanguine]

Sometimes it's best to just shut up and not further raise any hackles, than it is to continue to propound and antagonize and solidify the opposing opinions.

[Bigun]

Not according to them.

It's what this always boils down to: if we do not support Trump all-the-way-at-all-times and whatever it is he says and does, we are Libs/Hillary supporters/Democrats/DU Trolls/Leftists/Coup supporters/MSM Media operatives etc., etc., etc.

We are either with them in lockstep, or we are the enemy.

Just as I said their mindset was earlier.  They just keep demonstrating it. 

Liberty only exists if you agree with, speak and vote the way they demand it.

Otherwise we are Libs and the enemy.

IMHO there is far too much over the top emotional BS coming from both sides.

[roamer_1]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

Nonsense.
And you'll get none of the above, btw, out of a NY liberal and a crony capitalist.
As I said, over and over during the primaries, How do you guarantee his promises when his record speaks otherwise?
And here we are.

You've been sold a bill of goods.
Trump won't fight the left.
Trump IS the left.

You have been lead down the garden path.
Trump will not fight crony capitalism and globalism.
Trump IS a crony-capitalist and globalist.

[INVAR]

IMHO there is far too much over the top emotional BS coming from both sides.

I don't buy that. 

Most of the visceral Trump arguments here are reactionary as a result of someone like jpsb making a stupid statement about the members here who are not ga-ga with Trump.

The rest of them are usually the results of Conservatives doing a 'see-I-told-you-so' stance in regards to the news, usually associated with Trump's inability to control his thumbs on Twitter, though that silly fight over Trump's wife not holding his little hand was pretty stupid.

Now it's pro-Trump arguments over anger regarding the discussing of 'fake news' or news from sources other than Breitbart.