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Look at this thread. Christians are bad and homosexuals are the compassionate people who take in the poor unfortunate children that no one straight people want.

Exactly.

This is what the left does.  It exalts the bad and demeans the good.  It commends the bad and mocks those who try to avoid it.

And they lie.
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Years ago the female volleyball coach at our school went to prison for molesting several girls.
Lesbians can be extremely predatory. I recall watching one I knew moving in on a woman who had just been in (another, verbal) fight with her husband in a public place (yep, alcohol fueled, and he had left).
She put her arm around the upset woman's shoulders..."Oh, you poor dear..." She looked up and saw me watching at her and grinned--she knew what she was doing, and it wasn't sympathy. A guy who 'moved in' on someone's wife like that would be seen as a lowlife creature indeed.
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My neighbors are as much a family as yours is.   They've likely been together for longer than you and your spouse.   They don't have kids, but they have been there for each other through thick and thin.   By what measure do they not constitute a family as worthy as yours?   

By that definition I'm married to my XO. He was my corporal back when I was a private, so we've been together for 38 years. We've been there for each other through thick and thin. Hell, we even technically have a kid (we were both guardians to the same one and are now honored grandfathers to HER kids.).

I'd best let him know. Sod's been sleeping around on me.
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Lesbians can be extremely predatory. I recall watching one I knew moving in on a woman who had just been in (another, verbal) fight with her husband in a public place (yep, alcohol fueled, and he had left).
She put her arm around the upset woman's shoulders..."Oh, you poor dear..." She looked up and saw me watching at her and grinned--she knew what she was doing, and it wasn't sympathy. A guy who 'moved in' on someone's wife like that would be seen as a lowlife creature indeed.

I only knew one of the victims of the volleyball coach well and she did indeed turn out to be a lesbian a year or so later.

I was heartbroken because she was my neighbor and I had a crush on her for a long time.

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Look at this thread. Christians are bad and homosexuals are the compassionate people who take in the poor unfortunate children that no one straight people want.
I have been watching that and other inversions of reality. It's about what I'd expect from people who think they created God, instead of the other way around.
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Look at this thread. Christians are bad and homosexuals are the compassionate people who take in the poor unfortunate children that no one straight people want.

That is how it was in years past. Ask any adoption center.  Gays were only given the troubled kids no one else wanted. When no one else would take them gays would as that is the only choice they had. It is 100% fact. Look it up. So of course kids from that  generation are going to have a higher rate of problems and it is going to skew the results.


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I completely agree that preservation of the family is absolutely critical, and that government policy should encourage strong and stable families.

And that's why I support gay marriage.  I want to encourage gays to marry and form families,  in part so they will be less likely to be burdens on the state and private charities.   Families care and provide for each other through prosperity and poverty, through health and sickness.


The worst thing you can do to a child is to teach it that homosexuality is in any way normal.   By teaching a child this,  you may convince them to destroy any chances of their own progeny;  Effectively genetic death for their line. 


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Exactly.

This is what the left does.  It exalts the bad and demeans the good.  It commends the bad and mocks those who try to avoid it.

And they lie.

The only thing left is to blame Christians and straight people for the high suicide rates among gays/lesbians/bisexuals etc

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Very few young girls are molested by older women mostly molested  by men. Where are all the lesbians coming from?

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Let us focus solely on male homosexuals.  Lesbianism is a completely different animal with completely different causation.   It is generally far less dangerous than the male version,  and women often grow out of it.   


For many it was just a fad,  or a response to a previous abusive situation.   
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I said the majority of Christian men view porn. This is the 3rd or 4th time I posted this study below in the link  to refute what you lie about what I originally said.  This study backs me up. 77% of Christian men view porn on a regular basis and the study was done by a Christian  polling group not liberal.

You are absolutely correct about this.  Even among pastors, the percentage of them that view porn on a regular basis is almost 60% - and those are numbers from those willing to disclose the fact that they do.  The actual numbers may be much, much higher.

This is a great program and the trouble has been getting churches to even permit the discussion of the subject:

https://conquerseries.com

It seems that the older a Christian is, the less exposed to porn they seem to be, and that meets with the devolution of our society.  Back when I was a kid, you had to actually GO to a place that had smut in brown paper-wrapped magazines.  By the 80s when VHS came out - you had to go to a seedy place and buy them, or mail -order them.  By the time the internet came around, it was in your face at the touch of a mouse button - and people who grew up with the internet have been exposed to vile stuff not many of us in our 50s and older would even allow ourselves to look at.


I never said porn was not harmful. In some people it is.  Just like people who over eat or drink too much brewskis.

That is not correct.  People addicted to crack and meth can get clean in a few weeks.  Alcoholics and go cold turkey sometimes.  Porn addicts take 5 to 6 years to get clean, because this stuff attacks the very center of the mind, and once there - it does not come out very easily.  It is why scripture tells us that someone who commits sexual sin , sins against his own flesh.

I've counseled wives who caught their husbands viewing porn, and of them - it was the same as if they caught their husband in bed with another woman.  It is damaging to marriages, families and self.
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Simple explanation. In years past only the gays took the troubled kids-ones the straight couples did not want.   These were the the only kids the system would allow gays to have. The refuse or scraps with mental or emotional problems  no one else wanted.

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I've read several accounts from grown children of "gay" parents,  and they themselves tell of how this experienced warped them. 


Here's one.


http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/children-gay-parents-testify-against-same-sex-marriage
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So now you Bible-thumpers want to dictate the meaning of the word "family" too?   


No,  we want your side to stop trying to warp it into being something it isn't and never was.   


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By that definition I'm married to my XO. He was my corporal back when I was a private, so we've been together for 38 years. We've been there for each other through thick and thin. Hell, we even technically have a kid (we were both guardians to the same one and are now honored grandfathers to HER kids.).

I'd best let him know. Sod's been sleeping around on me.
That's one of the problems with all this nonsense. If you call a person you have been working with for decades "partner",  now that has ambiguity in terms of other implications. Cops had partners, lawyers and businessmen had partners, but now it has to be qualified to remove the aura of perversion. Who would have thought?
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I've read several accounts from grown children of "gay" parents,  and they themselves tell of how this experienced warped them. 


Here's one.


http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/children-gay-parents-testify-against-same-sex-marriage

I can post stories from gay kids saying their gay parents  are the best thing ever.

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I've counseled wives who caught their husbands viewing porn, and of them - it was the same as if they caught their husband in bed with another woman. 

No, it's not.  Actual infidelity is what ruins marriages, not watching porn.  Indeed, porn may provide a safe outlet for urges that would otherwise manifest themselves in real infidelity and venereal disease. 
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Here's one.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/children-gay-parents-testify-against-same-sex-marriage


"While I do not believe all gays would be de facto bad parents, I know that the gay community has never in my lifetime put children first as anything other than a piece of property, a past mistake or a political tool to be dressed up and taken out as part of a dog-and-pony show to impress the well-meaning," Klein wrote.


Wow.
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No, it's not.  Actual infidelity is what ruins marriages, not watching porn.

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Still waiting.  Show me how California's marriage law violates equal protection.
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I can post stories from gay kids saying their gay parents  are the best thing ever.

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Well then in your mind this balances the claims of those children of gay parents who say it is terrible.   

So it becomes a question of is more harm or less harm being caused by such situations,  and it is therefore a task of drudgery to drag up the quantity of proof necessary to prove it one way or the other.   


I believe this is likely to be a task beyond either of us,  but at least I have made you aware of people who have had bad experiences with "gay"  parents.   



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Wow.


You should read the stuff Robert Oscar Lopez writes on the subject.   
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Lets hope this kid doesn't get treated like a junior drag queen at home.


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No, it's not.  Actual infidelity is what ruins marriages, not watching porn.  Indeed, porn may provide a safe outlet for urges that would otherwise manifest themselves in real infidelity and venereal disease.

Goes to figure coming from you.

Absolutely everything that is sickening, detestable, vile, vulgar, wicked and sinful according the God and scripture (and basic decency) - YOU declare to be virtuous, good, wholesome, holy and righteous.

But then, you are a rabid Leftist - so it should come as no surprise you are for everything anathema to a civil society.
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 People addicted to crack and meth can get clean in a few weeks.  Alcoholics and go cold turkey sometimes.  Porn addicts take 5 to 6 years to get clean, because this stuff attacks the very center of the mind, and once there - it does not come out very easily.  It is why scripture tells us that someone who commits sexual sin , sins against his own flesh.



The  marriage counselor in my office building who I eat lunch with most days says the porn problem is overrated when it comes to problems with  marriages and breakups. He is ultra conservative, not liberal. Not saying there is not  a problem there is but he said it's not at the top of the list by far. Some men use it too much where it affects their marriage or wanting to go out and try to find  a mate-takes away their desire. I have read the studies.

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I've counseled wives who caught their husbands viewing porn, and of them - it was the same as if they caught their husband in bed with another woman.  It is damaging to marriages, families and self.

Yes, what I was referring to..men are visual and don't see what is wrong looking at porn while women are emotional and take it as cheating.

And @Jazzhead  is right many married men use it as a safety valve when their wives sex drive drops or she gets in a tizzy and cuts him off for a period of time.

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No, it's not.  Actual infidelity is what ruins marriages, not watching porn.  Indeed, porn may provide a safe outlet for urges that would otherwise manifest themselves in real infidelity and venereal disease.

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So...watching porn and masturbating saves marriages?

Lol, okay.

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Well then in your mind this balances the claims of those children of gay parents who say it is terrible.   


No, both sides find ancedontyl  stories to make their point. When the  study is done by Lifesite News you posted they  have an agenda. I am on FB.  The lies liberals and conservatives make is astounding to say the least. Both sides are very guilty of it.

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Lets hope this kid doesn't get treated like a junior drag queen at home.



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Yeah, it's supposed to be fine for that kid to grow up like that.  Don't even begin to try and sell me that line, because it's ridiculous on its face.

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