GOP lawmakers in North Carolina introduce bill to restore ban on same-sex marriage

[INVAR]

I completely agree that preservation of the family is absolutely critical, and that government policy should encourage strong and stable families.

And that's why I support gay marriage.  I want to encourage gays to marry and form families,  in part so they will be less likely to be burdens on the state and private charities.   Families care and provide for each other through prosperity and poverty, through health and sickness.

The absurdity of this statement is nearly beyond my comprehension.

It's as absurd as those who would tell us that they completely agree with the preservation of life and liberty as absolutely critical, which is why they support abortion.  They want to encourage a woman's right enjoy sex with whomever and to kill the consequences of that sex because an unwanted child should not be a burden on the state and private charities.  Or as you put it - the state should not force a woman to procreate.  She should be able to have sex whenever she wants, and kill the consequence of that sex so that liberty may abound.

The perversion you spout here both political and religious is beyond absurdly nauseating.

[roamer_1]

Knocking boots is a nice perk,  but I highly doubt that God is as obsessed with sexual mechanics as so many "Bible-believing Christians" are.

He wrote a Book. You should read it sometime.

[roamer_1]

Please give your scientific 'proof' of that spurious argument.  They've tried before, and failed to prove it's inborn.

In fact, it's proven otherwise.

[Cripplecreek]

@Jazzhead

I have been fighting no fault divorce and promiscuity all my life. I am dead set against adultery and fornication, and have declared so hereon. No doubt I have even admitted that no fault divorce is what started the whole plunge into decadence right in your presence, As I do not assign that to the gays, rightfully.

No fault divorce is why my mother remained married to her idiot till she died and why we had to put up such a fight to keep what little she had for an estate.

In fact, as long as social security exists, a person should be able to choose who gets the survivor benefits rather than it automatically going to the spouse.

[roamer_1]

State-sanctioned marriage is not.  There is no legal mandate for commitment, mutual support, or caring.   Please try to stay on topic here.

Good point

[IsailedawayfromFR]

      

You are the one that tried to do this.  Let's stay on point then and call the word 'gay' a thread-jack as well.

A Homosexually-inspired hijacking of a common English adjective to account for deviancy.

[mirraflake]

@Jazzhead


Sexual orientation is not inborn.  Its a product of genetics, hormones, as well as environmental factors.  Its is highly malleable for many people largely depending on their age, maturity level, and mental state.   This is why homosexuals target teens as that is when our brains are developing and we are at our weakest.

Isn't genetics inborn or hormones?  I believe the latest scientific study is homosexulality  are cause by epi markers. I personally believe it it is is caused by a hormonal/chemical regulation problem while in the womb. Most gay people I have known I knew they were different at a very early age . My classmates just discussed the passing of one of our gay classmates (heart attack, not Aids) on FB  and we knew he was different/a  was a "sissy" in kindergarten.

None of the 4-5 gay people I know well were ever abused.

@driftdiver

[mirraflake]

If you do not know about the relationship between child molestation and homosexuality,   you need to do more research so you can speak intelligently on the subject. 


Furthermore,  about 42% of all child molestations are of male children.   For some reason,  2% of the population that prefers males manages to make 42% of all cases of child molestation.

Very few young girls are molested by older women mostly molested  by men. Where are all the lesbians coming from?

@DiogenesLamp

[mirraflake]

I've never seen a kid raised by gay "parents" who wasn't a mess. Just a couple of weeks back I had lunch with a childhood friend who is gay and he doesn't want his own grandkids at his house because gay men come and go from there. He visits them at their home because he wants to keep them away from the lifestyle.

Simple explanation. In years past only the gays took the troubled kids-ones the straight couples did not want.   These were the the only kids the system would allow gays to have. The refuse or scraps with mental or emotional problems  no one else wanted.

@Cripplecreek

[Jazzhead]

The absurdity of this statement is nearly beyond my comprehension.

So now you Bible-thumpers want to dictate the meaning of the word "family" too?   

My neighbors are as much a family as yours is.   They've likely been together for longer than you and your spouse.   They don't have kids, but they have been there for each other through thick and thin.   By what measure do they not constitute a family as worthy as yours?   

[Cripplecreek]

Simple explanation. In years past only the gays took the troubled kids-ones the straight couples did not want.   These were the the only kids the system would allow gays to have. The refuse or scraps with mental or emotional problems  no one else wanted.

@Cripplecreek

Ahh yes, Saint Turdbuglar is the most godly of us all.

[INVAR]

Very few young girls are molested by older women mostly molested  by men. Where are all the lesbians coming from?

A depraved and permissive culture.  A lot of it is a sexual 'fad' with all the 'taboo' removed for deviant behavior.  In fact not too long ago a lot of the peers of my daughters were declaring themselves lesbians in high school and college.  Today - they mostly have gotten married - to men.

A culture that celebrates evil and depravity will have no problems with other forms of it.  In Jihadist Islamic areas, sex with boys and goats is said to be permissible along with marrying children as young as 7 years old, all the while they cheer the slow beheading of 'infidels' and those charged with violating Sharia Law.

A culture that has no problems with what we once called evil - will embrace more evil and look for more heinous and barbaric forms to satisfy themselves.

[roamer_1]

Ahh yes, Saint Turdbuglar is the most godly of us all.

 

you owe me a keyboard.

[Cripplecreek]

A depraved and permissive culture.  A lot of it is a sexual 'fad' with all the 'taboo' removed for deviant behavior.  In fact not too long ago a lot of the peers of my daughters were declaring themselves lesbians in high school and college.  Today - they mostly have gotten married - to men.

A culture that celebrates evil and depravity will have no problems with other forms of it.  In Jihadist Islamic areas, sex with boys and goats is said to be permissible along with marrying children as young as 7 years old, all the while they cheer the slow beheading of 'infidels' and those charged with violating Sharia Law.

A culture that has no problems with what we once called evil - will embrace more evil and look for more heinous and barbaric forms to satisfy themselves.

Years ago the female volleyball coach at our school went to prison for molesting several girls.

[INVAR]

So now you Bible-thumpers want to dictate the meaning of the word "family" too?   

Actually we 'Bible Thumpers' follow God's declaration as to what the meaning of the word family is.  You do not get to redefine it to meet and satisfy your perversion of it.  You did not create it.  HE DID.  HE Defines it in His Word.

All you spew is vile perversion, of both the evidence from nature and the revelation from God Himself to sate your debased mindset.

My neighbors are as much a family as yours is. 

Right.  And the 55 year old pervert who self identifies as a 13 year old girl so he can use their bathrooms, even though he sports male plumbing, is as much a little girl as your neighbors think themselves a family.

.... By what measure do they not constitute a family as worthy as yours?   

They are homosexuals. That is the measure.

[Hoodat]

So now you Bible-thumpers want to dictate the meaning of the word "family" too?

@Jazzhead

Still waiting.  Show me how California's marriage law violates equal protection.

[mirraflake]

  (Insert here your inane arguments/lies that all men are porn addicts and debase women, and that it doesn't "hurt" anyone).

You bring this up again and lie what i said?  You are a flat out liar and I will say it......Again

1. I never said all men. I said the majority of Christian men view porn. This is the 3rd or 4th time I posted this study below in the link  to refute what you lie about what I originally said.  This study backs me up. 77% of Christian men view porn on a regular basis and the study was done by a Christian  polling group not liberal.

2. I never said porn was not harmful. In some people it is.  Just like people who over eat or drink too much brewskies.

3. You are not  a man. Men are visual by nature and like to view beautiful naked women. My wife has no interest in viewing men's genitals as with most women. Men are visual, women are emotional by nature when it comes to sex.


http://www.charismanews.com/us/45671-shocker-study-shows-most-christian-men-are-into-porn

Besides stealing and hitting people add liar to your sin list.

@musiclady

[IsailedawayfromFR]

So now you Bible-thumpers want to dictate the meaning of the word "family" too?   

Guess you are ignorant of the definition of a family in almost 100% of the world's other religions too, most of which do not even know what a Bible is.

You are against most civilizations on this earth.

I suggest you visit some of the Middle Eastern countries like say, Yemen or Iran and try to influence them the same way.

Please report back to us all the results of your endeavors if you can.

[Smokin Joe]

All you have to do is be old enough to have watched what the left did with homosexuality to brainwash the young and gullible (and obviously succeed).

You can see it happening now with both pedophilia and bestiality, but those who are unaware of what has been done in the past in this cultural regression are indignant that it's ridiculous to make the comparison.

And yet, the comparison is there for any and all to observe.  It's happening, in spite of their naïve protests that it never will.

They are still 'culture norming' homosexuality by stuffing it into the story line of pretty near everything in entertainment.
Other deviant behaviour will be squeaked into the 'edgy' standup crowd before it gets trickled into the sitcoms before it ends up in regular dramas.  That's the usual progression. The 'edgy' crowd rely as much on shock and nervous laughter as humor, but between nervous tittering and the laugh track, the people 'at home' are trained to laugh at virtually anything. Then, it comes out in sitcom material, then it slipped into serial dramas, usually somewhere into the middle of or later in the first season when people are busy identifying with other characters enough that they will not just stop watching, because they feel invested in the story line. It's the same reason people will finish a book they don't particularly like aspects of. By the end of the season, if they keep watching, they are over any initial revulsion and are more accepting of the deviant characters, just so they can keep up with the story and the character(s) they identified with. In time, deviant characters will become major characters in story lines, and the process will be nearly complete. All that will remain is taking the deviancy out of the fictional realm and into the news and the courts and/or legislatures, with sympathy generated in advance by 'entertainment' media.
It is an interesting process of culture norming deviancy, and an insidious insertion of depravity into the mainstream but fictional cultural matrix, then into the culture itself.
The formula has already been followed, and likely will continue to be used.

[musiclady]

You are the one that tried to do this.  Let's stay on point then and call the word 'gay' a thread-jack as well.

A Homosexually-inspired hijacking of a common English adjective to account for deviancy.

Bizarre accusation.  I haven't used the word "gay" on this thread because I don't use it.

I'm a choral singer who loves madrigals, and you can't sing half of them because of the hijacking of the word to mean what it doesn't even come close to meaning.  The left steals our vocabulary and distorts it, and this is but one example of their theft.

But thanks for getting back on topic and leaving your hijack behind. 

[musiclady]

You bring this up again and lie what i said?  You are a flat out liar and I will say it......Again

1. I never said all men. I said the majority of Christian men view porn. This is the 3rd or 4th time I posted this study below in the link  to refute what you lie about what I originally said.  This study backs me up. 77% of Christian men view porn on a regular basis and the study was done by a Christian  polling group not liberal.

2. I never said porn was not harmful. In some people it is.  Just like people who over eat or drink too much brewskies.

3. You are not  a man. Men are visual by nature and like to view beautiful naked women. My wife has no interest in viewing men's genitals as with most women. Men are visual, women are emotional by nature when it comes to sex.


http://www.charismanews.com/us/45671-shocker-study-shows-most-christian-men-are-into-porn

Besides stealing and hitting people add liar to your sin list.

@musiclady

LOL!

You're the meanest person on this forum.  Stop being so mean.


btw, for the record, I didn't lie.  And I don't steal or hit people either.   Try reading the real words some time.  You might find you learn something.   ^-^

Back on Ignore where you belong!   

[mirraflake]

LOL!

You're the meanest person on this forum.  Stop being so mean.


btw, for the record, I didn't lie.  And I don't steal or hit people either.   Try reading the real words some time.  You might find you learn something.   ^-^

Back on Ignore where you belong!   

 I'm only mean to  people who LIE about what I said. Yes, you continually attack and lie what I originally said and I'm damn well going to stick up for myself.

@musiclady

[musiclady]

They are still 'culture norming' homosexuality by stuffing it into the story line of pretty near everything in entertainment.
Other deviant behaviour will be squeaked into the 'edgy' standup crowd before it gets trickled into the sitcoms before it ends up in regular dramas.  That's the usual progression. The 'edgy' crowd rely as much on shock and nervous laughter as humor, but between nervous tittering and the laugh track, the people 'at home' are trained to laugh at virtually anything. Then, it comes out in sitcom material, then it slipped into serial dramas, usually somewhere into the middle of or later in the first season when people are busy identifying with other characters enough that they will not just stop watching, because they feel invested in the story line. It's the same reason people will finish a book they don't particularly like aspects of. By the end of the season, if they keep watching, they are over any initial revulsion and are more accepting of the deviant characters, just so they can keep up with the story and the character(s) they identified with. In time, deviant characters will become major characters in story lines, and the process will be nearly complete. All that will remain is taking the deviancy out of the fictional realm and into the news and the courts and/or legislatures, with sympathy generated in advance by 'entertainment' media.
It is an interesting process of culture norming deviancy, and an insidious insertion of depravity into the mainstream but fictional cultural matrix, then into the culture itself.
The formula has already been followed, and likely will continue to be used.

Good post.

I have no doubt that some of the liberals making these inane arguments got their "facts' from watching sit coms.

As for the formula (that we all watched with homosexuality), we are seeing it before our very eyes, aren't we?

I don't suppose that the 'normalization' of pedophilia will take as long since the culture has already been brainwashed with the homosexual argument.

But it will happen.  As sure as we're both sitting here discussing it.  It WILL happen, because it's already started.

[Cripplecreek]

They are still 'culture norming' homosexuality

Look at this thread. Christians are bad and homosexuals are the compassionate people who take in the poor unfortunate children that no one straight people want.

[musiclady]

I'm only mean to  people who LIE about what I said. Yes, you continually attack and lie what I originally said and I'm damn well going to stick up for myself.

@musiclady

Good.  You do that.

Because your smearing of my husband as being a pervert is on the record (and there were witnesses).

It's no lie, and you know it.

I just defended good men and truth, and it hurt your feelings.

But that's the last I'll comment on your past sins, and the last I'll respond to your spurious accusations.

This discussion is over.  You're back on Ignore.