GOP lawmakers in North Carolina introduce bill to restore ban on same-sex marriage

[Smokin Joe]

So false.   Encouraging gay marriage encourages responsibility and monogamy.   And for those who do get sick - and there but for the grace of God go you, Smokin' Joe -  having a loyal partner is likely the single biggest factor for saving taxpayers the cost of long-term care.

Oh, come on. The divorces are already happening. You weigh thousands of years against only a few? Besides if the only reason to get "married" is to have access to the 'partner's' insurance as a dependent, what is the use of fidelity?

And that still doesn't address the HIV+ needle junkies the States Medicaid programs didn't want to pony up for.

The whole system holds the medical care of those who live cleanly hostage to extract payment for those who don't.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

So false.   Encouraging gay marriage encourages responsibility and monogamy. 

I really don't care about any of that.  The institution developed historically because of a need to deal legally with the issue of children born of that union.  That's why the government got involved in the first place.  It was essential for rights of inheritance, obligation to support, etc..  Protecting/endorsing those unions for those reasons makes sense.  Extending it to relationships where that possibility does not exist doesn't make sense.

[Suppressed]

I really don't care about any of that.  The institution developed historically because of a need to deal legally with the issue of children born of that union.  That's why the government got involved in the first place.  It was essential for rights of inheritance, obligation to support, etc..  Protecting/endorsing those unions for those reasons makes sense.  Extending it to relationships where that possibility does not exist doesn't make sense.

Many homosexual pairings have children, either adopted or via a previous heterosexual partnership.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Many homosexual pairings have children, either adopted or via a previous heterosexual partnership.

Sure, but both of those come with legal rights already attached, via either birth or adoption.  For example, if someone gay has a child from a previous marriage, their parental rights will not be changed even if they start a homosexual relationship with someone else.

The issue with male and female unions is that they produce children naturally, and therefore a mechanism to establish those rights/obligation is necessary.

[Suppressed]

Sure, but both of those come with legal rights already attached, via either birth or adoption.  For example, if someone gay has a child from a previous marriage, their parental rights will not be changed even if they start a homosexual relationship with someone else.

The issue with male and female unions is that they produce children naturally, and therefore a mechanism to establish those rights/obligation is necessary.

Without the marriage, a stepparent can't make those medical decisions, etc.

[Smokin Joe]

Without the marriage, a stepparent can't make those medical decisions, etc.

With a document called 'medical power of attorney', they can indeed make those medical decisions. They do not have to be related in any way.

[Emjay]

With a document called 'medical power of attorney', they can indeed make those medical decisions. They do not have to be related in any way.

True.... but this still ranks about 109 on my list of things I worry about.

[Smokin Joe]

True.... but this still ranks about 109 on my list of things I worry about.

109? Well, at least you have plenty of things to keep you busy.

[Emjay]

109? Well, at least you have plenty of things to keep you busy.

I am not convinced that gay marriage approval poses any threat to religion or our society.

For one thing, it is miniscule in percentage of the population.

For another thing, the fight for it was symbolic more than real as not that many gay couples take advantage of it because marriage imposes obligations as well as rights.

[DiogenesLamp]

I am not convinced that gay marriage approval poses any threat to religion or our society.

For one thing, it is miniscule in percentage of the population.

It is huge in it's ramifications for Christianity based society and Western civilization,  but those consequences are in the future so most people don't notice them today.

For another thing, the fight for it was symbolic more than real as not that many gay couples take advantage of it because marriage imposes obligations as well as rights.

The vast majority of homosexuals have not the slightest interest in monogamy or marriage.   I try to get people to look at their culture from their perspective,   but it is difficult for normal people to grasp.   


Imagine that you were a young boy surrounded by young attractive girls that just wanted to have sex with you.    That is life in the "gay"  community,  except the girls are boys,  and have a very strong male sex drive.   In San Francisco's "bath" houses,  homosexuals would have 10 sexual partners on an average visit.   


In homosexual circles,  having a thousand sex partners is not unusual.   It is in fact,  part of the lifestyle.   


So yeah,  "Gay Marriage"   was a symbolic victory,  and nothing else.   It was an effort to force normal people to accept something perverted,  whether they liked it or not. 

[EC]

10 partners per visit? I call hax. No one has that short a refactory period.

[txradioguy]

It is huge in it's ramifications for Christianity based society and Western civilization,  but those consequences are in the future so most people don't notice them today.





The vast majority of homosexuals have not the slightest interest in monogamy or marriage.   I try to get people to look at their culture from their perspective,   but it is difficult for normal people to grasp.   


Imagine that you were a young boy surrounded by young attractive girls that just wanted to have sex with you.    That is life in the "gay"  community,  except the girls are boys,  and have a very strong male sex drive.   In San Francisco's "bath" houses,  homosexuals would have 10 sexual partners on an average visit.   


In homosexual circles,  having a thousand sex partners is not unusual.   It is in fact,  part of the lifestyle.   


So yeah,  "Gay Marriage"   was a symbolic victory,  and nothing else.   It was an effort to force normal people to accept something perverted,  whether they liked it or not.

@DiogenesLamp well said. Couldn't agree more.

[DiogenesLamp]

10 partners per visit? I call hax. No one has that short a refactory period.

You do know that many of them are "Catchers"  as well as "Pitchers."   They don't have to recover from anything while they are "catching."   

[Mesaclone]

You do know that many of them are "Catchers"  as well as "Pitchers."   They don't have to recover from anything while they are "catching."   

Jesus.  Single guy, never married...hangs out at wild parties with the "bad kids"...turns water into wine...loves weddings...sensitive and touchy feely...hangs around with 12 other fellas wherever he goes. You do the math. Catcher or pitcher...who knows.

Probably the most stereotyped essay of ignorance I've ever read as regards the "homosexual lifestyle". What would you define as the "heterosexual lifestyle"? The truth is, your statistics are made up...and your grouping of all homosexuals into a singular "lifestyle" is ludicrous. Comical even, if it weren't so dangerous in the way it dehumanizes a whole class of people. Gays make up a very small percentage of people in general, so the fact those among them who ARE monogamous choose to sanctify their union on a permanent bases hardly impacts other married persons or society. In fact, given your absurd assertion that they all have thousands of lovers...I'd think you'd favor a method for imposing monogamy on such terrible "fornicators".

[Oceander]

It is huge in it's ramifications for Christianity based society and Western civilization,  but those consequences are in the future so most people don't notice them today.





The vast majority of homosexuals have not the slightest interest in monogamy or marriage.   I try to get people to look at their culture from their perspective,   but it is difficult for normal people to grasp.   


Imagine that you were a young boy surrounded by young attractive girls that just wanted to have sex with you.    That is life in the "gay"  community,  except the girls are boys,  and have a very strong male sex drive.   In San Francisco's "bath" houses,  homosexuals would have 10 sexual partners on an average visit.   


In homosexual circles,  having a thousand sex partners is not unusual.   It is in fact,  part of the lifestyle.   


So yeah,  "Gay Marriage"   was a symbolic victory,  and nothing else.   It was an effort to force normal people to accept something perverted,  whether they liked it or not. 

With all due respect, I rather doubt you have much knowledge about living in the '"gay" community' because your descriptions match only a small minority of that community.

[Oceander]

Jesus.  Single guy, never married...hangs out at wild parties with the "bad kids"...turns water into wine...loves weddings...sensitive and touchy feely...hangs around with 12 other fellas wherever he goes. You do the math. Catcher or pitcher...who knows.

Probably the most stereotyped essay of ignorance I've ever read as regards the "homosexual lifestyle". What would you define as the "heterosexual lifestyle"? The truth is, your statistics are made up...and your grouping of all homosexuals into a singular "lifestyle" is ludicrous. Comical even, if it weren't so dangerous in the way it dehumanizes a whole class of people. Gays make up a very small percentage of people in general, so the fact those among them who ARE monogamous choose to sanctify their union on a permanent bases hardly impacts other married persons or society. In fact, given your absurd assertion that they all have thousands of lovers...I'd think you'd favor a method for imposing monogamy on such terrible "fornicators".

@Mesaclone

Good points.

[Chosen Daughter]

Jesus.  Single guy, never married...hangs out at wild parties with the "bad kids"...turns water into wine...loves weddings...sensitive and touchy feely...hangs around with 12 other fellas wherever he goes. You do the math.

   You're sick.

[Mesaclone]

Jesus.  Single guy, never married...hangs out at wild parties with the "bad kids"...turns water into wine...loves weddings...sensitive and touchy feely...hangs around with 12 other fellas wherever he goes. You do the math.

   You're sick.

My 3 point jump shot is sick, as for my health its just fine.  Interestingly, the Pharisees loved to call Jesus a blasphemer and sacrilegious...so I'm in good company.

[mystery-ak]

Mesaclone I don't find it amusing at all!

[musiclady]

Mesaclone I don't find it amusing at all!

Neither does a Holy, Righteous, and Just God.......   

[Chosen Daughter]

Neither does a Holy, Righteous, and Just God.......   

What is really sad is that there are gay clergy who would try to make Jesus gay too.  Because that is the agenda to make the Bible irrelevant to our social society.

 

[INVAR]

Mesaclone I don't find it amusing at all!

Nothing to marvel.  The Sadducees declared Jesus to be filled with a demon, so it is no surprise those who believe in other 'gospels' would insinuate Jesus was a practicing homosexual to try and get everyone to swallow the righteousness and virtue of homosexuality as being approved of Heaven.

[Mesaclone]

Neither does a Holy, Righteous, and Just God.......   

Actually, a holy, righteous and just god would find it hilarious. A loving, rational, and understanding god doesn't judge, doesn't punish, and doesn't condemn anyone for sacrilege. He just loves...and I imagine...laughs at the delusions of grandeur all too common amongst his creation.

On the other hand...a human constructed, fear based, tyrannical and petty god would be terribly offended. So in that, you're right, music.

[Mesaclone]

Nothing to marvel.  The Sadducees declared Jesus to be filled with a demon, so it is no surprise those who believe in other 'gospels' would insinuate Jesus was a practicing homosexual to try and get everyone to swallow the righteousness and virtue of homosexuality as being approved of Heaven.

The irony here is that you can't see the reality...you ARE the Sadducee. Condemning your fellow man and obstructing them from finding their own paths to a loving deity...that's pretty much the definition.

[INVAR]

The irony here is that you can't see the reality...you ARE the Sadducee. Condemning your fellow man and obstructing them from finding their own paths to a loving deity...that's pretty much the definition.

The reality is you are promoting an evil and a sin that God Himself declares an abomination and ascribe virtue and love to something His Word Condemns.

But since you have no use for His Word in favor of your own imagination that creates god into your own image and likeness - it is to be expected that hedonists would celebrate hedonism in the golden calf you made that you worship and claim to be god.