Trump tells GOP to take it or leave it on ObamaCare repeal [vote Friday]

[cato potatoe]

Trump had better develop some patience with this process.  If he delivers ultimatums on tax reform and immigration, he won't accomplish squat.  There is no reason why Obamacare reform can't happen 12 months from now, after the CBO has time to score this bill and the writers rework it to placate the warring camps.

[GrouchoTex]

Nope.  You've got it ass-backwards.   This is a brilliant move by Trump.  He's telling the GOP to take it or leave it.   Get unified and pass your leadership's bill,  or I'm moving on to other priorities.   

Trump is not going to get blamed for this, the GOP will be.  Conservatives will be.  Trump's message,  the core of his populist appeal, is that he'll knock heads to get things done.  That's what he's doing.   And if the "Freedom Caucus" does its vainglorious thing,  then Trump will just say sod it and move on.   

The GOP and Donald Trump is a marriage of convenience.   If conservative nihilists give Trump shit,  he'll screw them and I for one won't blame him a bit. 

The damn Freedom Caucus ought to understand that Trump wants results not posturing.

Since when will Trump not take the blame?
He's already out on advertisements saying he's "100 percent behind this", to rally those very populist.
Thing is, they don't like Obamacare-lite, either.
If his options are this bill or Obamacare, he will certainly get the blame, as both are disasters.

BTW, those "damn, posturing, nihilists" types it the Freedom caucus/Tea Party are EXACTLY the type of people we need in the House and Senate.
I count myself as one of them.
It is in the Constitution, or it is not, period.
If you think these extra-constitutional things are so freakin' wonderful, call for a Convention of States, and add them to the constitution, and make them rights.
I know, that's the hard way, and you can' t be bothered.
Good! It should be hard.

Moving onto other priorities?
I guess it's too hard for him, too.

It is supposed to be very difficult to pass laws that affect everyone in an entire nation. The system is set up that way on purpose.

Thank God.

[Right_in_Virginia]

This would be a champagne popping moment. A win for conservatism instead of kabuki theater BS "repeal."  Buuuuut... you're fully vested in Trump

Here's what annoys the hell out of me with conservatives @bolobaby --- and it has nothing to do with the regard I have for the President. 

Conservatives are politically stupid.  Just plain stupid. 

Democrats have different factions, just like Republicans.  And yet they manage time and again to hold together and advance their agenda---even if it's one inch at a time.

But conservatives demand all or nothing---ignoring the repeated fact that they keep getting nothing and end up stalling their own agenda.   And this in turn makes conservatives even more of a political pariah--unable to work well with others and perfectly content to run back to their Ivory Towers without having advanced the quality of American life... well, not even one inch.

THIS, dear @bolobaby is real Kabuki Theater.   

[XenaLee]

Trump had better develop some patience with this process.  If he delivers ultimatums on tax reform and immigration, he won't accomplish squat.  There is no reason why Obamacare reform can't happen 12 months from now, after the CBO has time to score this bill and the writers rework it to placate the warring camps.

Patience is a virtue that liberals (New York or otherwise) don't usually possess.  It can be developed, however, with effort.  Problem is....  most liberals don't care to even try.  It remains to be seen whether Trump will.

[GrouchoTex]

The Wall Street Journal,  used to be one of the most respected conservative organs in the nation

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia, not me; I don't care for champagne. .

Thanks for sharing @Sanguine ... But since I didn't ask you, it's pretty safe to assume I don't care.   

[Silver Pines]

Have you all contacted your representative and told him/her how you want them to represent you?

@Sanguine

The last I heard, my congressman is standing firm against it, but I've been trying, anyway.  Can't get through.

[ABX]

Why not?  If I held your political worldview and opinion of the orange one ... I'd certainly have champagne chilled and ready to go.

So, forgive me for not quite believing you.   ^-^

If you had read the entire sentence instead of the one word you quoted, I wouldn't need to explain anything.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Because what's being propsed isn't going to work. We're just rearranging and basically going with the same core plan. We need to start over and rewrite it. That also means that the moderates are going to have to give on some things, not just the conservatives.

If they're not willing to do that, then they need to forget doing it at all.

Then that's what's going to happen.

To get to a deal, both sides have to decide that the final deal is better than no deal at all.  It sounds like neither rthe Freedom Caucus nor the moderates believe that as of now, so it is best to table the whole effort and wait for if/when the dynamics change.

This isn't some smirky little playground game where you can shuffle shells around in cute configurations. If they can't come up with something that will economically work, we are right back to where we started.

If the choice is between 100% of Obamacare, and nothing changes, versus 90% of Obamacare with the prospect of more changes, I'll take the latter.  I will say this -- there are a lot of businesses that will benefit hugely from the proposed bill because it eliminates the business mandate/tax.   It is not "the same as Obamacare" to them.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Wall Street Journal,  used to be one of the most respected conservative organs in the nation

Did you edit this quote with the author's permission @GrouchoTex ?

[Sanguine]

Thanks for sharing @Sanguine ... But since I didn't ask you, it's pretty safe to assume I don't care.   

@Right_in_Virginia, of course you did.  You posted a question on an open forum.

And, you ignored the main part of my statement and just picked out a little bit that you could criticize.  Why is that?

[Right_in_Virginia]

If you had read the entire sentence instead of the one word you quoted, I wouldn't need to explain anything.

 

[GrouchoTex]

Did you edit this quote with the author's permission @GrouchoTex ?

Yep

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine

The last I heard, my congressman is standing firm against it, but I've been trying, anyway.  Can't get through.

I was able to email mine this morning. 

[Sanguine]

If you had read the entire sentence instead of the one word you quoted, I wouldn't need to explain anything.

I commented on the very same tendency before I read your comment.  Hmmm.

[Silver Pines]

It's very interesting   On a thread about a trump tweet on the freedom caucus as TOS a few of the Trump supporters are starting to turn on him   Got popcorn?

@Mom MD

I imagine they'll be a few voices in the wilderness.  The majority of them are mindless drones who will never give up on their king.



Trump has earned our trust. He did the impossible. Against all odds, he won the election. I don’t think it’s too much of an exaggeration to say he single handily saved America. If he wants the bill passed, then pass the damn bill.


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[Maj. Bill Martin]

Democrats have different factions, just like Republicans.  And yet they manage time and again to hold together and advance their agenda---even if it's one inch at a time.

But conservatives demand all or nothing---ignoring the repeated fact that they keep getting nothing and end up stalling their own agenda.   And this in turn makes conservatives even more of a political pariah--unable to work well with others and perfectly content to run back to their Ivory Towers without having advanced the quality of American life... well, not even one inch.

That's completely true.  The Democrats have brought this country to where it is today because of relentless incrementalism, and they do that because this country generally does not like big change in practice.  It may like it in theory but when push comes to shove in terms of enacting "big things", voters get nervous.  They'll take 10% of a loaf each year, knowing that they'll get the whole damn thing in 10 ears.  But tell Republicans that ten cents on the dollar is still better than nothing, and you'll be called every name in the book.

[ABX]

I commented on the very same tendency before I read your comment.  Hmmm.

Yep, when it comes to politics, it is an interesting game to watch and study, and I'm happy this bill appears dead, but I am not the type to get emotionally vested in it. I don't 'pop champagne' or 'cry in my beer'. It is was it is.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia, of course you did.  You posted a question on an open forum.

Sweetie, I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but nothing says I have to care about your response to a question I asked someone else.

Please, give "letting go of it" a try @Sanguine before this becomes tedious.   

[XenaLee]

@Right_in_Virginia, of course you did.  You posted a question on an open forum.

And, you ignored the main part of my statement and just picked out a little bit that you could criticize.  Why is that?

Lol!  You know why.

[Sanguine]

Lol!  You know why.

Yes, you caught me in a rhetorical flourish.   

[XenaLee]

Sweetie, I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but nothing says I have to care about your response to a question I asked someone else.

Please, give "letting go of it" a try @Sanguine before this becomes tedious.   

Why don't you climb on off your broomstick and give it a rest for a refreshing change of pace?

(worth a try, but not expecting positive results)

[Sanguine]

Sweetie, I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but nothing says I have to care about your response to a question I asked someone else.

Please, give "letting go of it" a try @Sanguine before this becomes tedious.   

What a strange response.

[Silver Pines]

I was able to email mine this morning.

@Sanguine

I seriously don't know what's wrong with me that email didn't even occur to me.  Just sent him a message.  Thanks.   

[Silver Pines]

@Right_in_Virginia, why do you address people as "dear" and "sweetie" when they're anything but, as far as you're concerned?