Trump tells GOP to take it or leave it on ObamaCare repeal [vote Friday]

[Bigun]

If they vote for it they will own that, too.

That's Trump's strategy - to force these fools to make an existential decision.   I support the President.
and the Democrats, and the RINO liars, and the rest of the coprophillic denizens of the swamp. Trump's strategy has been from day one to get principled Conservatives to shed their principles. I will stand with those who are there to do what they said they would: repeal Obamacare.

  I'm right there with you! 100%   

[LMAO]

I have read Jazzhead's posts on this subject and though I may disagree with minor points, overall he does make some powerful points.

The fact is there is not the votes for repeal. It's too bad the Democrats left such a mess and now the GOP is stuck fighting over how to clean up that mess but reality is reality and its best to start from a position of reality

[XenaLee]

I'm not sure what folks expect Trump to do.  You've got the Freedom Caucus that won't vote for anything less than (close to) full repeal, including repeal of the 26 year old addendum and guaranteed issue.  Then there's another group of moderates who won't vote for anything that doesn't retain both.  And each group is insisting that it won't settle for anything less.  The Senate is even worse.

Regardless of what Trump says, a bill isn't going to make it to his desk unless enough members of Congress will compromise, and not enough are willing to do that yet.  So, Obamacare will stay in place.  The exchanges will eventually crumble, although the 26 year old provision will remain in effect, along with guaranteed issue and the Medicaid expansion.  Trump isn't as much making a threat as just stating reality.  And if there is no willingness to compromise within Congress itself, he might as well move on to other things that have a chance of passing.

As goofy as he is in a lot of respects, he's handling this like an experienced negotiator.  If there is no middle ground that is acceptable to both sides, then you're wasting your time negotiating.  If it's litigation, that's when you go to trial.  If it's a business deal, that's when you stand up, walk away from the table, and move on to something else.  Maybe one side or the other will soften its position over time, but if not, it's a dead issue.

Obamacare, with all its flaws, will remain.  Not a threat -- just reality.

I would much rather/prefer to see Obamacare remain and fail or crumble (as a Democrat signature failure).... than have the GOP put their shade of lipstick on it and officially label and own it as a Republican failure.  If Trump's "my way or the highway" approach unwittingly accomplishes that...

I'm good with it.

[Cripplecreek]

If they vote for it they will own that, too.

That's Trump's strategy - to force these fools to make an existential decision.   I support the President.
and the Democrats, and the RINO liars, and the rest of the coprophillic denizens of the swamp. Trump's strategy has been from day one to get principled Conservatives to shed their principles. I will stand with those who are there to do what they said they would: repeal Obamacare.

Who the hell told Donald Trump he gets to declare the issue dead if the freedom caucus votes it down?

Sorry princess but if they vote it down today I suspect they'll be right back to working on it tomorrow.

[Right_in_Virginia]

YUP. Better than seeing Conservatism go down the drain. Live to fight another day.

Maybe conservatives haven't lived to see a victory because all they want to do is fight. 

[Bigun]

Who the hell told Donald Trump he gets to declare the issue dead if the freedom caucus votes it down?

Sorry princess but if they vote it down today I suspect they'll be right back to working on it tomorrow.

Damned right they will! They have to and they know it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTmfwklFM-M&feature=youtu.be

[Right_in_Virginia]

I would much rather/prefer to see Obamacare remain and fail or crumble (as a Democrat signature failure)....

I've heard this  battle cry before ... but no one explains what will happen to the people who will have their current health insurance crumble around them @XenaLee.--- or address the effects this will have on our economy.

Care to take a shot at it? 

[Suppressed]

I have read Jazzhead's posts on this subject and though I may disagree with minor points, overall he does make some powerful points.

The fact is there is not the votes for repeal. It's too bad the Democrats left such a mess and now the GOP is stuck fighting over how to clean up that mess but reality is reality and its best to start from a position of reality

@LMAO @Jazzhead

Very true.  It seems that some would rather play ostrich and pretend there's a conservative majority in Congress.

I'm not saying I agree with passing this bill as it stands, but I also can't agree with those who ignore the reality of the situation.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Who the hell told Donald Trump he gets to declare the issue dead if the freedom caucus votes it down?

...  if they vote it down today I suspect they'll be right back to working on it tomorrow.

Like they were working on it since Nov 8th knowing it was a priority?

Please, conservative prefer this dies on the vine, the people be damned, but at least their hands will be clean.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jonathan Swan‏Verified account @jonathanvswan 1h1 hour ago More
Freedom Caucus source to me just now: "Think they want it to fail on the floor to make a point."

[Bigun]

Like they were working on it since Nov 8th knowing it was a priority?

Please, conservative prefer this dies on the vine, the people be damned, but at least their hands will be clean.

@Right_in_Virginia

Supposedly they have been working on it for seven long years and not just since November 8th of last year! You would have though they could have gotten their s*&t together in that length of time IF they were serious! The FACT is that they never were and NEED to be outed as the sophists they truly are!!

There are those that still believe a promise is a promise and a lie is a lie!

I am one of those! You can like it or not like it but that's the way it is!

[Right_in_Virginia]

March 23, 2017




http://conservative.org/acu-statement-upcoming-house-healthcare-vote/

[roamer_1]

Maybe conservatives haven't lived to see a victory because all they want to do is fight.

If you think they'll compromise short of a principled position, I think you are wrong as you can be.
Nearly every man-jack of those GOP sombiches swore to take obamacare down. The Conservatives are the only ones standing on that promise.

If they are what they should be, they should crater this bill like a nuke, and take it to the American people to see who gets the ass-chewing. I'll bet it won't be them.

[Right_in_Virginia]

ACU Statement:  March 23, 2017

There are parts of the bill that conservatives applaud, including the bold step of defunding Planned Parenthood and preventing further support of the abortion industry with tax dollars. In addition, conservatives have demanded historic entitlement reforms in the Medicaid program through the ability to convert Medicaid funding into block grants. The repeal of the Obamacare taxes, the employer mandate, and the defanging of the individual mandate are all needed and positive changes.

As it stands, ACU believes there is a compelling enough case for the bill and conservatives should vote for it. Passing this bill will allow the legislative process and debate to continue about what additional improvements can be made. For this Congress to fail to pass an alternative would further cement Obamacare into our society, making any future plans to repeal it virtually impossible.

http://conservative.org/acu-statement-upcoming-house-healthcare-vote/

[roamer_1]

I've heard this  battle cry before ... but no one explains what will happen to the people who will have their current health insurance crumble around them @XenaLee.--- or address the effects this will have on our economy.

Care to take a shot at it?

The very same dang thing that happened to the people whose health care crumbled around them when Obamacare passed, but without the exorbitant taxes.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The very same dang thing that happened to the people whose health care crumbled around them when Obamacare passed, but without the exorbitant taxes.

Have you ever considered inviting some actual people up to your Ivory Tower? 

[roamer_1]

ACU Statement:  March 23, 2017

[Jazzhead]

Jonathan Swan‏Verified account @jonathanvswan 1h1 hour ago More
Freedom Caucus source to me just now: "Think they want it to fail on the floor to make a point."

That's called obstructionism.   That's not what the American people elected this President and this Congress for. 

I stand with the President.  Let's get this bill to a vote, up or down,  to keep the process moving.  If the obstructionists prevail, we'll know who the villains are.   

[Jazzhead]

There is nothing Conservative about the Wall Street Journal.

Yeah, right.  And the American Conservative Union, too?  They are also calling this morning for the Freedom Caucus to act like grown-ups.   

[Hoodat]

That's called obstructionism.   That's not what the American people elected this President and this Congress for.

The American people elected this President and Congress to get the federal government the hell out of the insurance market.  Which is why 83% of the American people oppose this bill.

[roamer_1]

Have you ever considered inviting some actual people up to your Ivory Tower?

FIVE houses in my immediate family lost their insurance over Obamacare. All of them are now paying TRIPLE the rate, for insurance they can't use. My brother has to pay out TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR before he can get recompense at all. Not so much as a friggin band-aid for you, bub. My sister had two operations this year and had to pay cash for all of it. not a single penny of coverage.

Nobody cried for them when Obamacare passed.

And btw, I live under a tin roof, far away from ivory towers.

[Smokin Joe]

@LMAO @Jazzhead

Very true.  It seems that some would rather play ostrich and pretend there's a conservative majority in Congress.

Well, I'm glad we can finally dispense with the ridiculous notion that Republicans are Conservatives.

I'm not saying I agree with passing this bill as it stands, but I also can't agree with those who ignore the reality of the situation.

The reality? Congress is in session. BOHICA.

[Bigun]

FIVE houses in my immediate family lost their insurance over Obamacare. All of them are now paying TRIPLE the rate, for insurance they can't use. My brother has to pay out TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR before he can get recompense at all. Not so much as a friggin band-aid for you, bub. My sister had two operations this year and had to pay cash for all of it. not a single penny of coverage.

Nobody cried for them when Obamacare passed.

And btw, I live under a tin roof, far away from ivory towers.

@roamer_1  @Right_in_Virginia

Objectivity is impossible for her on this! She is in love with Trump and will defend him no matter what he does!

[Hoodat]

FIVE houses in my immediate family lost their insurance over Obamacare. All of them are now paying TRIPLE the rate, for insurance they can't use. My brother has to pay out TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR before he can get recompense at all. Not so much as a friggin band-aid for you, bub. My sister had two operations this year and had to pay cash for all of it. not a single penny of coverage.

Dang!  The government should do something to fix that.  Oh wait .  .  .

[corbe]

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