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Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid


By Samuel Smith , CP Reporter
Mar 16, 2017 | 12:43 PM


Over 100 prominent Christian leaders and celebrities, including two who spoke at the Jan. 20 presidential inauguration, are calling on Congress to oppose President Donald Trump's proposal to make disproportionate cuts to federal aid programs that are vital to helping vulnerable people in need worldwide.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/over-100-christian-leaders-oppose-trump-cuts-foreign-aid-177795/#4FHFHeYfP6ZLpX9b.99

Letter from Christians leaders in link.

Seems Christian leaders are waking up to what is going on.  It is surprising that they didn't recognize the agenda during the Primaries.  America First doesn't always fit with Jesus first.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 06:54:08 pm »
They broke or something?
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2017, 07:02:03 pm »
He doesn't plan to eliminate aid, merely cut the amount given. 
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2017, 07:07:07 pm »
I see a few names of people I respect (most I've never heard of), but I do wonder how they equate the government's stealing from taxpayers to support government-approved charities a Christian value. Charity is not in the Constitution.  National defense and roads, now that's another matter. All of us are free to contribute to any charity we might choose to support.
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2017, 07:46:09 pm »
I see a few names of people I respect (most I've never heard of), but I do wonder how they equate the government's stealing from taxpayers to support government-approved charities a Christian value. Charity is not in the Constitution.  National defense and roads, now that's another matter. All of us are free to contribute to any charity we might choose to support.

Is it in the Constitution to support Planned Parenthood?  Who gave them permission to steal from me to kill babies in the womb?  Is it in the Constitution that we need to pay for gender reassignment?  Support LGBTSQRNEY......etc groups.  NEA and their gay agenda..............

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Federal bureaucrats are spending your hard-earned tax-dollars to promote the idea that lesbian farmers exist. Yes, you read that correctly.

According to the Obama Administration, Americans believe that all farmers fit a "white,rich male" stereotype, which apparentlyis wildly detrimental. I mean, if I don't know that the chocolate milk I'm drinking was originally obtained from a lesbian milking a cow, things could really breakdown.

To combat this horror, the U.S. Department of Agriculture is "holding summits to promote the role of lesbian farmers as a part of its 'Rural Pride' campaign," reports The Washington Free Beacon.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/8430/might-be-dumbest-thing-feds-have-ever-spent-your-amanda-prestigiacomo
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2017, 08:19:08 pm »
Is it in the Constitution to support Planned Parenthood?  Who gave them permission to steal from me to kill babies in the womb? 
no, of course none of this crap is constitutional or Christian.  The gov't has no business in any of these venues.  Gubmint shouldn't fund abortions, it shouldn't fund the arts, it shouldn't fund gay rights.
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2017, 08:26:11 pm »
Many of our Christian leaders are not fiscally Conservative.

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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 08:27:31 pm »
Many of our Christian leaders are not fiscally Conservative.

Course they are. You don't see them opening their wallets, do you.
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2017, 08:28:38 pm »
Is it in the Constitution to support Planned Parenthood?  Who gave them permission to steal from me to kill babies in the womb?  Is it in the Constitution that we need to pay for gender reassignment?  Support LGBTSQRNEY......etc groups.  NEA and their gay agenda..............

Like this lunacy

Federal bureaucrats are spending your hard-earned tax-dollars to promote the idea that lesbian farmers exist. Yes, you read that correctly.

According to the Obama Administration, Americans believe that all farmers fit a "white,rich male" stereotype, which apparentlyis wildly detrimental. I mean, if I don't know that the chocolate milk I'm drinking was originally obtained from a lesbian milking a cow, things could really breakdown.

To combat this horror, the U.S. Department of Agriculture is "holding summits to promote the role of lesbian farmers as a part of its 'Rural Pride' campaign," reports The Washington Free Beacon.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/8430/might-be-dumbest-thing-feds-have-ever-spent-your-amanda-prestigiacomo

I am FTFU and sick to death of liberal government morons promoting this group or that group on my dime.  Under the law, we are all 'supposed' to be treated equally and the same.... yet liberals always have to drag others down (usually white Christian conservatives) by raising up (via special treatment and propaganda) others in their pet groups-du-jour.  Had enough of that BS.   What part of "You lost, and lost badly to the silent majority" or "Your liberal BS has been refuted and slapped down by mainstream America" are they not bright enough to comprehend?
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2017, 08:33:26 pm »
These are likely the same type of 'Christians" who will sermonize you into the belief that Jesus was a Socialist and the 'Church' is to be an embodiment of pure Communism that needs to be emulated in government.
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2017, 08:39:41 pm »
no, of course none of this crap is constitutional or Christian.  The gov't has no business in any of these venues.  Gubmint shouldn't fund abortions, it shouldn't fund the arts, it shouldn't fund gay rights.

Here is where I think you are in error on International Humanitarian Funding:

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests."
 - Alexander Hamilton (1787 after the Constitutional Convention)

This Country was founded by people with a Godly vision.  If we stop having human compassion we are void of good.  It feeds the dark direction that this country is headed.  I saw it with Trump and I was overwhelmed by the Christian support for him.  His life and campaign shout greed and isolation.

He took the support of the Christians and now he is imposing an anti-Christ agenda.  Our Founding Fathers knew that it wasn't religion which brings Freedom but a Faith in Jesus Christ.  For people who believe in Jesus or don't.   That is the beauty of Christ.  Free Will Choice.  But giving and caring are not religious. They are about caring and human compassion. 

 A country without compassion is evil.  Humanitarian funding goes to people of many faiths and races.     
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2017, 08:53:47 pm »
Here is where I think you are in error on International Humanitarian Funding:

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests."
 - Alexander Hamilton (1787 after the Constitutional Convention)

This Country was founded by people with a Godly vision.  If we stop having human compassion we are void of good.  It feeds the dark direction that this country is headed.  I saw it with Trump and I was overwhelmed by the Christian support for him.  His life and campaign shout greed and isolation.

He took the support of the Christians and now he is imposing an anti-Christ agenda.  Our Founding Fathers knew that it wasn't religion which brings Freedom but a Faith in Jesus Christ.  For people who believe in Jesus or don't.   That is the beauty of Christ.  Free Will Choice.  But giving and caring are not religious. They are about caring and human compassion. 

 A country without compassion is evil.  Humanitarian funding goes to people of many faiths and races.     

Except it is NOT the function of government to provide humanitarian funding by the Founders themselves.

It is the function of private groups, churches and organizations to provide such funding.  The only role the government was intended to have, is to promote ideals and charity befitting a Godly people and make sure the path was clear for such groups to make provision without obstacles.
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2017, 09:00:32 pm »
Except it is NOT the function of government to provide humanitarian funding by the Founders themselves.

It is the function of private groups, churches and organizations to provide such funding.  The only role the government was intended to have, is to promote ideals and charity befitting a Godly people and make sure the path was clear for such groups to make provision without obstacles.

I'd give the government one additional role. It doesn't take any extra staff or a department, since it would neatly and naturally slot in to an Ambassador's duties.

That role is muscle. One of the problems with private charity is that fairly often the intended recipients don't receive it. It gets diverted to Swiss bank accounts, goods intended to alleviate famine are confiscated and sold on the black market - you probably know more of these instances than I do, but I've seen enough of them. A government can reduce this happening a lot more effectively than a church can.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2017, 09:05:01 pm »
Except it is NOT the function of government to provide humanitarian funding by the Founders themselves.

It is the function of private groups, churches and organizations to provide such funding.  The only role the government was intended to have, is to promote ideals and charity befitting a Godly people and make sure the path was clear for such groups to make provision without obstacles.

Disagree.  I think it is the business of the government to provide humanitarian aid.  It promotes peace and good will toward human beings.  It may not be about the Constitution but it certainly is about the government having human compassion for suffering.  Without it we are promoting isolation and a blind eye to starvation and homelessness throughout the world.  As a Christian I can't see our government turning a blind eye to suffering.
 
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Except it is NOT the function of government to provide humanitarian funding by the Founders themselves.

It is the function of private groups, churches and organizations to provide such funding.  The only role the government was intended to have, is to promote ideals and charity befitting a Godly people and make sure the path was clear for such groups to make provision without obstacles.

You are right. Besides, the government does nothing efficiently and it corrupts everything it involves itself in.

Charity in its truest sense comes willingly from the individual.

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 09:44:30 pm »
Disagree.  I think it is the business of the government to provide humanitarian aid.  It promotes peace and good will toward human beings.  It may not be about the Constitution but it certainly is about the government having human compassion for suffering.  Without it we are promoting isolation and a blind eye to starvation and homelessness throughout the world.  As a Christian I can't see our government turning a blind eye to suffering.

That mindset is exactly how and why we have arrived at the point of devolution of both our culture and government becoming a Socialist Central Planning Beast.  The business of government is to execute justice, provide for the common defense, and the general welfare of it's people to be secure in their properties and endeavors without hindrance.  it does not exist to provide humanitarian aid, because government so empowered will pick winners and losers based on its own criteria, and redefine morality to benefit those constituents they are beholden or seek to make slaves so their power may continue in perpetuity.

Empowering government to do charity robs the individual of the responsibility to do as scripture commands.  Once government is empowered to make provision, the responsibility for doing charity is shunted to government and absolves the individual from doing anything on their own initiative to provide.  You can see how this works with the welfare state.  Once the government makes provision, the recipients do nothing to to provide for themselves and the government makes it impossible to wean off of subsistence from taxpayers.  Those who may still want to make provisions are prohibited from doing so except through the bureaucracy.  Everyone goes to government for provision rather than a people humbling themselves and going to God for their needs and government becomes a horrifying obstacle to providing any kind of charity without their oversight or direction.   I know a lot of private soup kitchens who can tell you horror stories of the limits their services are mandated and how awfully regulated they are to the point that they cannot provide for the very people they intended and were led to provide for.

Empowering government to provide aid and provision empowers tyranny.  On an international level, to provide aid to areas of the globe hit by catastrophe can be achieved via ferrying voluntarily contributed provisions to the place in need via government capabilities that may exceed private ability or foreign government restriction.

One of the key ingredients used to pervert this Constitutional Republic into a Socialist Democracy has been via the conduit of 'charity' and 'welfare'.

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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2017, 09:56:20 pm »
They're just having to get by on less.  They're not being cut off.

On the other hand....it's not going to have an effect on Trump's favorabilities among his voters.

...nor the millions of Democrats who've started to see the light.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2017, 10:02:34 pm »
That mindset is exactly how and why we have arrived at the point of devolution of both our culture and government becoming a Socialist Central Planning Beast.  The business of government is to execute justice, provide for the common defense, and the general welfare of it's people to be secure in their properties and endeavors without hindrance.  it does not exist to provide humanitarian aid, because government so empowered will pick winners and losers based on its own criteria, and redefine morality to benefit those constituents they are beholden or seek to make slaves so their power may continue in perpetuity.

Empowering government to do charity robs the individual of the responsibility to do as scripture commands.  Once government is empowered to make provision, the responsibility for doing charity is shunted to government and absolves the individual from doing anything on their own initiative to provide.  You can see how this works with the welfare state.  Once the government makes provision, the recipients do nothing to to provide for themselves and the government makes it impossible to wean off of subsistence from taxpayers.  Those who may still want to make provisions are prohibited from doing so except through the bureaucracy.  Everyone goes to government for provision rather than a people humbling themselves and going to God for their needs and government becomes a horrifying obstacle to providing any kind of charity without their oversight or direction.   I know a lot of private soup kitchens who can tell you horror stories of the limits their services are mandated and how awfully regulated they are to the point that they cannot provide for the very people they intended and were led to provide for.

Empowering government to provide aid and provision empowers tyranny.  On an international level, to provide aid to areas of the globe hit by catastrophe can be achieved via ferrying voluntarily contributed provisions to the place in need via government capabilities that may exceed private ability or foreign government restriction.

One of the key ingredients used to pervert this Constitutional Republic into a Socialist Democracy has been via the conduit of 'charity' and 'welfare'.


Every taxpayer gives willingly to the government every paycheck.  Much of those funds are used for things we don't agree with.  Foreign Aid is 1%. 

See Marco Rubio' compelling speech on the Senate Floor.

Why Trump and Congress Should Maintain Foreign Aid


By Gary Edmonds , Op-Ed Contributor
Mar 17, 2017 | 3:32 PM

Amidst the partisan debates on Capitol Hill, a small but important part of the federal budget always receives bipartisan cooperation because it's about American jobs, American economic growth, and keeping America safe ... and because it's about our faith.

At less than one percent of the federal budget, our government's funding, leadership and influence help U.S. foreign assistance demonstrate the best of our American values and Christian compassion. It also helps make us safer and healthier here in the U.S. by containing disease outside our borders, and


promoting U.S. economic interests abroad.

But U.S. foreign assistance is making rare headlines because potentially deep budget cuts are looming. Thankfully, conservative senators have been speaking up.

I was moved to hear Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) recently speak from his place of faith on the floor of the Senate: "I believe in the depths of my heart that our creator has honored America's willingness to step forward and help those around the world, and I believe he will continue to do so as long as we use our blessings, not just for our good but for the good of mankind."

-End excerpt

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/why-trump-and-congress-should-maintain-foreign-aid-177798/#35Bq5qWQLPyleBVO.99

Click on the link to read the rest of Senator Rubio speech.
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2017, 10:20:36 pm »
The government stealing our money for various causes is not compassion.  Individuals should exhibit compassion,  because the government cannot.
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2017, 10:29:59 pm »

Every taxpayer gives willingly to the government every paycheck.  Much of those funds are used for things we don't agree with.  Foreign Aid is 1%. 

See Marco Rubio' compelling speech on the Senate Floor.

Why Trump and Congress Should Maintain Foreign Aid


By Gary Edmonds , Op-Ed Contributor
Mar 17, 2017 | 3:32 PM

Amidst the partisan debates on Capitol Hill, a small but important part of the federal budget always receives bipartisan cooperation because it's about American jobs, American economic growth, and keeping America safe ... and because it's about our faith.

At less than one percent of the federal budget, our government's funding, leadership and influence help U.S. foreign assistance demonstrate the best of our American values and Christian compassion. It also helps make us safer and healthier here in the U.S. by containing disease outside our borders, and


promoting U.S. economic interests abroad.

But U.S. foreign assistance is making rare headlines because potentially deep budget cuts are looming. Thankfully, conservative senators have been speaking up.

I was moved to hear Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) recently speak from his place of faith on the floor of the Senate: "I believe in the depths of my heart that our creator has honored America's willingness to step forward and help those around the world, and I believe he will continue to do so as long as we use our blessings, not just for our good but for the good of mankind."

-End excerpt

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/why-trump-and-congress-should-maintain-foreign-aid-177798/#35Bq5qWQLPyleBVO.99

Click on the link to read the rest of Senator Rubio speech.


We have contributed more of our GDP to other nations more than any other country; yet in our own backyards we see our elderly tossed aside and struggling and our young going hungry.  Certainly many find in their hearts to contribute monetarily or to volunteer their time to those in need.  It is NOT the job of the government of the U.S.A. to support its neighbors; especially those who are trying to kill us and hate us.  It IS (or at least should be) the job of the government of the U.S.A. to insure that our elderly are cared for and our children are fed.

It IS time to put America and Americans first.  President Trump is not eliminating aid to other countries, he is simply reducing that aid in order to help Americans and America.

I volunteered at a food pantry for a number of years; the stories were heartbreaking.  I was recently approached by a gentleman in his mid thirties.  He had just lost his job due to illness, he had two children and a wife.  He asked me if I had any yard work that he could; he needed food for his wife and kids and a little gas to put in his car.  This should not be happening here!  I went inside the store and bought some kiddie sandwiches, drinks and cookies for his kids and a couple of sandwiches and bottles of water for he and his wife and then gave him $10.00 for some gas.  I would rather help someone knowing that they actually need and are receiving the help rather than donating money to some charity where a lot goes to administrative costs and sometimes very little actually goes to individuals...or worse yet...the money winds up in the hands of the terrorists who are beheading Christians!
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2017, 10:55:10 pm »

Every taxpayer gives willingly to the government every paycheck.

That is not willing.  That is confiscatory.  That line of reasoning is almost akin to calling government tax increases 'investments'.

  Much of those funds are used for things we don't agree with.  Foreign Aid is 1%.

Foreign aid, like welfare - buys loyalty and potentially makes nation states beholden to us.  There is a potential argument in favor of the national government "buying peace' - but in the end - it is superficial and the moment that aid ceases or is threatened due to any circumstance (economics/disaster/politics) - war is a likely consequence.

I do not agree with the premise of the statement that foreign aid is about demonstrating our faith as a nation.

Human nature is human nature.  Handing out foreign aid is no different than handing out welfare.  In time that handout is demanded and expected without any shred of gratitude and makes a people entirely dependent upon the aid and angry when not provided.  At the same time it opens the door to cronyism and tribal warlords that use it as a fulcrum of leverage to enslave their own people with aid the American people are paying for with their taxes.

Giving aid in a time of disaster is one thing -  but annual stipends for defense weaponry, tech and foodstuffs does not teach or preach the Gospel of repentance and salvation.  It preaches the gospel of socialism and dependence.

I'm not advocating killing all foreign aid.  I'm addressing the mindset that says that empowering government to give handouts from taxes collected at gunpoint from the American people to whomever the government deems is in need, are the machinations and recipes for exactly where we now find ourselves in national decline and irrevocable debt to begin with.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2017, 02:28:22 pm »
On top of all of that, we have to borrow the money we give in foreign aid now.  We are deficit spending - what we "compassionately" give to other nations we have to borrow and put on the backs of youngsters and those yet to be born to pay!   How on earth is that compassionate?

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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2017, 03:13:30 pm »
Disagree.  I think it is the business of the government to provide humanitarian aid.  It promotes peace and good will toward human beings. 

Define "humanitarian aid" @Chosen Daughter --- promoting peace and good will toward human beings often means different things to different groups. 

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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2017, 06:08:13 am »
Define "humanitarian aid" @Chosen Daughter --- promoting peace and good will toward human beings often means different things to different groups.

I could define Humanitarian aid as helping to provide aid in places like Afghanistan.  Putting women to work and programs to help forward educations for girls.  Projects like Doctors without borders.  Restoring wells in Sudan..........   Sudan..............
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Re: Over 100 Christian Leaders Oppose Trump's 'Deep Cuts' to Foreign Aid
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2017, 06:36:08 am »

Every taxpayer gives willingly to the government every paycheck. 

Ah, no, @Chosen Daughter --- we have no choice.