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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2017, 12:33:08 pm »
Ann, your god is calling this piece of crap, beautiful.
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2017, 12:35:08 pm »
Ann, your god is calling this piece of crap, beautiful.


Yep. Any Trump supporters want to acknowledge that? They have no courage.

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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2017, 12:40:21 pm »

Yep. Any Trump supporters want to acknowledge that? They have no courage.

Too busy "Draining the swamp" to notice things like Jerod Kushner's brother Josh making money hand over fist selling insurance to forced customers.

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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2017, 01:05:14 pm »
The perfect is the enemy of the good.

I think the AHCA is a good start, with far fewer flaws than ObamaCare and far more honest.   The problem is,  ObamaCare's various subsidies have created constituencies who will whine and stomp at the curtailment of those subsidies.   Under ObamaCare -

 - the young subsidize the old;

 - single folks subsidize families;

 - men subsidize women;  and

 - most crucially, those who are careful consumers of health care subsidize those who indulge in elective procedures and preventive care

Those careful consumers are up in arms because the adequate policies they used to have, have been replaced by policies with such large deductibles and co-pays that, for most routine care, they may as well be uninsured.

The flaws in the AHCA aren't all that difficult to address.   Allow insurance companies to once again write policies that have maximum annual or lifetime limits,  or that don't provide "free" preventive care,  or that give folks the option whether to cover their kids until age 26.    Increase the refundable tax credits to provide better help for the poor, and finance it by keeping the ACA taxes on investment earnings and wages for high earners.   

With the AHCA as a start - and the repeal of the hated individual and employer mandates -  the GOP could then move on to address malpractice tort reform and competition in health insurance across state lines.  (I don't believe these matters are addressed in the proposed AHCA because they are incompatible with a budge reconciliation bill.)

Again - the perfect is the enemy of the good.   The ONLY fix the GOP can achieve is one that is supported by the entire GOP caucus.   Otherwise, we're stuck with ObamaCare and the blame for being unable to fix it.   
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2017, 01:08:05 pm »
The perfect is the enemy of the good.

I think the AHCA is a good start, with far fewer flaws than ObamaCare and far more honest.   The problem is,  ObamaCare's various subsidies have created constituencies who will whine and stomp at the curtailment of those subsidies.   Under ObamaCare -

 - the young subsidize the old;

 - single folks subsidize families;

 - men subsidize women;  and

 - most crucially, those who are careful consumers of health care subsidize those who indulge in elective procedures and preventive care

Those careful consumers are up in arms because the adequate policies they used to have, have been replaced by policies with such large deductibles and co-pays that, for most routine care, they may as well be uninsured.

The flaws in the AHCA aren't all that difficult to address.   Allow insurance companies to once again write policies that have maximum annual or lifetime limits,  or that don't provide "free" preventive care,  or that give folks the option whether to cover their kids until age 26.    Increase the refundable tax credits to provide better help for the poor, and finance it by keeping the ACA taxes on investment earnings and wages for high earners.   

With the AHCA as a start - and the repeal of the hated individual and employer mandates -  the GOP could then move on to address malpractice tort reform and competition in health insurance across state lines.  (I don't believe these matters are addressed in the proposed AHCA because they are incompatible with a budge reconciliation bill.)

Again - the perfect is the enemy of the good.   The ONLY fix the GOP can achieve is one that is supported by the entire GOP caucus.   Otherwise, we're stuck with ObamaCare and the blame for being unable to fix it.

And so we have today's daily dose of liberal talking points promoting the failure that is socialized medicine.

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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2017, 01:38:11 pm »
And so we have today's daily dose of liberal talking points promoting the failure that is socialized medicine.

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2017, 01:46:56 pm »
And so we have today's daily dose of liberal talking points promoting the failure that is socialized medicine.

...hmm... this will reduce my premiums, but will I still be able to keep my doctor?   :silly:

Coulter is right, this new proposed bill is a piece of crap.  REPEAL!!
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2017, 02:03:39 pm »
...hmm... this will reduce my premiums, but will I still be able to keep my doctor?   :silly:

Coulter is right, this new proposed bill is a piece of crap.  REPEAL!!

You can keep any doctor you want if you're able to pay him out of your own pocket.   Under the AHCA, no one is forced to purchase insurance.   Save up your pennies and pray you don't get sick!    Because if you choose to remain uninsured and then throw yourself on the mercy of the taxpayers, that's just wrong.  You should lose your house, your car, everything.   
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2017, 02:23:58 pm »
Thanks for the bump!
Yeah. I wasn't even going to give that dreck mound one. Why should I be forced to subsidize all those things for other people when I can't afford them for myself?
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2017, 02:31:01 pm »
Yeah. I wasn't even going to give that dreck mound one. Why should I be forced to subsidize all those things for other people when I can't afford them for myself?

It's Jazzy's Jizya. All non liberals must pay the Obamacare Jizya. It's for your protection. We could call it the "Jazzya"...

Jazzya (Arabic: جزية‎‎ ǧizya IPA: [dʒizja]; Ottoman Turkish: جزيه cizye) is a per capita yearly tax historically levied by Socialist states on certain non-Liberal subjects—dhimmis—permanently residing in Socialist lands under Unconstitutional law.

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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2017, 02:31:53 pm »
You can keep any doctor you want if you're able to pay him out of your own pocket.   Under the AHCA, no one is forced to purchase insurance.

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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2017, 02:34:49 pm »
You can keep any doctor you want if you're able to pay him out of your own pocket.   Under the AHCA, no one is forced to purchase insurance.   Save up your pennies and pray you don't get sick!    Because if you choose to remain uninsured and then throw yourself on the mercy of the taxpayers, that's just wrong.  You should lose your house, your car, everything.
You don't know your own socialist programs, do you? If you want medicaid, you can't own more than 10K in assets. That means an older car, no home, etc. So, even if you spent decades being productive and paying taxes at 28%, if you have a bad year with no cash flow (income) you won't qualify for Medicaid unless you divest yourself of everything you own at 'fair market value'. The 'disposal of assets' below 'fair market value' is a Felony, if it is done to qualify for the very program one has subsidized at length.
Instead, someone who has had a severe reversal of fortune is penalized for not buying insurance, whether they needed medical care or not--for not subsidizing the 'poor' whether or not they have any income themselves.

Had one not been stuck with a 28% tax bracket for being successful in their endeavors (but not successful enough, quite, to have their own foundation to shield assets from taxation), one might have been able to put that money away for any and all medical expenses in their lifetime--and had plenty.

Nope you are portraying the tax collectors as Robin Hood, taking from the 'rich' and 'giving' to the poor, when anyone who knows that story realizes the people Robin Hood 'robbed' were the tax collectors. He gave some of the money back to the poor and spent the rest partying in the woods.

Y'all didn't get that story straight, either.
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2017, 02:38:08 pm »
Yeah. I wasn't even going to give that dreck mound one. Why should I be forced to subsidize all those things for other people when I can't afford them for myself?

The AHCA doesn't force you to have insurance at all, and provides flexibility so perhaps you'll be able to find a policy you'll like and can afford.   But if you want to pay for doctors out of your own pocket rather than "subsidize others",  go right ahead.   Just don't get sick and ask taxpayers to pay your bills!   (And don't sign up for Medicare, either - that's socialized medicine where workers subsidize old people.)     
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2017, 02:46:39 pm »
The AHCA doesn't force you to have insurance at all, and provides flexibility so perhaps you'll be able to find a policy you'll like and can afford.   But if you want to pay for doctors out of your own pocket rather than "subsidize others",  go right ahead.   Just don't get sick and ask taxpayers to pay your bills!   (And don't sign up for Medicare, either - that's socialized medicine where workers subsidize old people.)   

Wrong. After paying into the system all our lives, we subsidized ourselves. If the govt screwed up the program, that's not our fault. Besides, we didn't have the choice when the govt took it from our paychecks. So consider it a simple repayment of the loan we gave the govt.

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2017, 02:48:45 pm »
The AHCA doesn't force you to have insurance at all, and provides flexibility so perhaps you'll be able to find a policy you'll like and can afford.   But if you want to pay for doctors out of your own pocket rather than "subsidize others",  go right ahead.   Just don't get sick and ask taxpayers to pay your bills!   (And don't sign up for Medicare, either - that's socialized medicine where workers subsidize old people.)   
You crack me up. You act as if those 'old people' have never kicked in a dime. I paid $400K+ in taxes in just five years (not to mention the rest of my working life), and then my income went to zero. I have always paid my bills, but you would relieve me of the options I have paid for, and everything I own. Typical Socialist. Not happy until everyone is "equal".
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2017, 02:59:03 pm »
You crack me up. You act as if those 'old people' have never kicked in a dime. I paid $400K+ in taxes in just five years (not to mention the rest of my working life), and then my income went to zero. I have always paid my bills, but you would relieve me of the options I have paid for, and everything I own. Typical Socialist. Not happy until everyone is "equal".

Equally miserable, that is.  Except for the elitist commies in power that live like royalty at the expense of the peons and huddled masses that have effectively been 'fundamentally transformed' into slaves to the state.
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Equally miserable, that is.  Except for the elitist commies in power that live like royalty at the expense of the peons and huddled masses that have effectively been 'fundamentally transformed' into slaves to the state.
Precisely. Socialist "equality" is always for someone other than the Socialist leaders, and involves reducing those who are relatively better off to equal squalor and misery with those who are worst off, in the name of "fairness  and equality". That is the Hallmark of the system (along with the 'leaders' living far better than the masses). It empowers none but the 'elites', provides no means to improve one's lot, and only tears down, never builds up those trapped in it.
It is a system based on envy and the most destructive aspects of greed, taking the first fruits of a person's labors, at gunpoint if necessary, stripping people of dignity and reward for hard work. As such, it is no wonder socialist systems suffer from widespread substance abuse.
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2017, 03:10:13 pm »
Equally miserable, that is.  Except for the elitist commies in power that live like royalty at the expense of the peons and huddled masses that have effectively been 'fundamentally transformed' into slaves to the state.

Yea but look at the silver lining here. History shows that while the proles slaved away, the communist elite rewarded their hard workers with trips to island paradises and gave them new homes and stuff. You know...the professors and policy wonks and agitators that got the elite into power to begin with.

They must have loved their great reward for loyal service. Afterall, no one ever saw them again.

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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2017, 03:24:58 pm »
You crack me up.

And the same to you.  Your knowledge regarding the purpose of insurance and the spreading of risk is abysmal.   You deserve socialized medicine,  and the way the AHCA is being opposed by conservatives, you're going to get it.   
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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2017, 03:25:11 pm »
How so?

It's been explained to you repeatedly. No point repeating myself. BTW, notice your lack of 'moral support" here lately?

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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2017, 03:27:03 pm »
It's been explained to you repeatedly. No point repeating myself. BTW, notice your lack of 'moral support" here lately?

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The AHCA abolishes both the employer and individual mandates.  Why do you accuse me of lying?   
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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2017, 03:27:59 pm »
You can keep any doctor you want if you're able to pay him out of your own pocket.   Under the AHCA, no one is forced to purchase insurance.   Save up your pennies and pray you don't get sick!    Because if you choose to remain uninsured and then throw yourself on the mercy of the taxpayers, that's just wrong.  You should lose your house, your car, everything.

Not so.  Yesterday Loesch said that if you go without insurance for, I think two months, your premiums for the next two years will go up.  I can't remember the exact time frames.

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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2017, 03:32:50 pm »
The AHCA abolishes both the employer and individual mandates.  Why do you accuse me of lying?   

How do I keep my doctor that was already forced into retirement by Obamacare? Plus, see Catherine's reply. A lie of omission is still a lie.

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« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2017, 03:39:08 pm »
The AHCA doesn't force you to have insurance at all, and provides flexibility so perhaps you'll be able to find a policy you'll like and can afford.

Great!  So now my employer will no longer have to offer coverage to the adult children of employees up to age 26?  And they can begin denying coverage for pre-existing conditions?  And they can drop drug treatment and maternity care from employee policies?
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