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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2017, 03:45:14 pm »
How do I keep my doctor that was already forced into retirement by Obamacare? Plus, see Catherine's reply. A lie of omission is still a lie.

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« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2017, 03:54:39 pm »
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@Jazzhead is literally the only Republican I've seen pleased with this plan.  Literally.  I can't find another one.

Probably because he appears to be as honest about his Republicanism as he is about his Christianity and his conservatism.

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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2017, 03:57:06 pm »
@Norm Lenhart

@Jazzhead is literally the only Republican I've seen pleased with this plan.  Literally.  I can't find another one.


I'm meh on it. Could go either way. Was glad to see that it got rid of the mandate.

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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2017, 04:00:18 pm »
Not so.  Yesterday Loesch said that if you go without insurance for, I think two months, your premiums for the next two years will go up.  I can't remember the exact time frames.

Free riders are punished by having to pay higher premiums.   Free riders - most of whom have the selfish mentality of the TEA party - expect to be able to go uninsured until they get sick, and then push their costs onto the rest of us who play by the rules and keep our insurance current.

Hell, in a truly free market insurers would be able to deny insurance to free riders entirely.  Under the AHCA,  insurers must accept anyone who applies without regard to medical condition - but CAN charge 30 percent more in premiums.   I don't like that aspect of the AHCA - I'd seek to punish free riders much more severely.   The problem is,  then hospitals are stuck with uninsured costs that are passed on as part of the insurance premiums paid by those who play by the rules.   

The most attractive aspect of single payer is that it eliminates the free rider problem.   All are covered by government insurance, and financed by general taxation.   
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« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2017, 04:02:02 pm »
Probably because he appears to be as honest about his Republicanism as he is about his Christianity and his conservatism.

And you lack the honor to admit that you falsely accused me of lying.   
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« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2017, 04:06:43 pm »
And you lack the honor to admit that you falsely accused me of lying.

You lie again in the post above. Yesterday you talked of how people were FREE to not take Ocare. They were not FORCED. Today you talk about punishment. So did you lie then or now? Because one way or the other you lied.

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« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2017, 04:27:31 pm »
You lie again in the post above. Yesterday you talked of how people were FREE to not take Ocare. They were not FORCED. Today you talk about punishment. So did you lie then or now? Because one way or the other you lied.

Not sure how anyone can say that this newly proposed piece of legislation isn't crap.  What happened to repeal??  If this passes, Senator Rand Paul is absolutely correct; "Squishy Legislation Won’t Fool Voters: Ryancare Will Loom Over Trump 2020".
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« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2017, 04:36:41 pm »
Can you imagine them living at 'home' instead of DC? And hearing about their foul-ups from their constituents directly?

No. They're living large.
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« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2017, 04:38:51 pm »
Free riders are punished by having to pay higher premiums.   Free riders - most of whom have the selfish mentality of the TEA party - expect to be able to go uninsured until they get sick, and then push their costs onto the rest of us who play by the rules and keep our insurance current.

Hell, in a truly free market insurers would be able to deny insurance to free riders entirely.  Under the AHCA,  insurers must accept anyone who applies without regard to medical condition - but CAN charge 30 percent more in premiums.   I don't like that aspect of the AHCA - I'd seek to punish free riders much more severely.   The problem is,  then hospitals are stuck with uninsured costs that are passed on as part of the insurance premiums paid by those who play by the rules.   

The most attractive aspect of single payer is that it eliminates the free rider problem.   All are covered by government insurance, and financed by general taxation.   

"Punished".  Punished.

Dude, it's so clear where you're coming from.

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« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2017, 04:39:32 pm »
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Still stuck on Stupid I see.
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« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2017, 04:43:51 pm »
"Punished".  Punished.

Dude, it's so clear where you're coming from.

Do you suppose he types one handed? You can sense the arousal in his words when he lays into Conservatives, their principles, Christians etc. But the glee at 'punishment' is palpable.
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« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2017, 04:44:37 pm »
"Punished".  Punished.

Dude, it's so clear where you're coming from.

Why do you object to punishing free riders?   Why should any government health care policy be constructed to encourage folks to remain uninsured until they're sick?   
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« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2017, 04:45:02 pm »
Do you suppose he types one handed? You can sense the arousal in his words when he lays into Conservatives, their principles, Christians etc. But the glee at 'punishment' is palpable.

Oh, yeah, he's having fun.  It's easy to tell.

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« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2017, 04:46:28 pm »
Why do you object to punishing free riders?   Why should any government health care policy be constructed to encourage folks to remain uninsured until they're sick?   

Why do you want people punished? Where is your Christian compassion for the destitute?

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« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2017, 04:46:55 pm »
And the same to you.  Your knowledge regarding the purpose of insurance and the spreading of risk is abysmal.   You deserve socialized medicine,  and the way the AHCA is being opposed by conservatives, you're going to get it.   
I understand 'spreading risk'. I understand statistics used in underwriting, actuarial tables, and the like, because they are so closely akin to the odds tables in the gaming industry, and when the oil patch was slow, I worked in that.

Now here is something for you to understand. I am capable of assessing my own risk.

I know my family, the medical problems and complications which occurred for my relatives, what medical risks are present from a genetic, environmental, and personal life standpoint.
I also know that in the past the medical costs for my family of 4 (raising 2 grandchildren), have been under 8K a year. Those are actual costs, paid out of pocket.

I know the cost of insurance right now for that same family of 4 (because of the socialist health care) is $20,000.00 MORE than that 8K. I can spend a fraction of that difference on preventative medicine, good food, wholesome activities and come out money ahead.

I also know that the people who benefit most from "spreading risk" are the people who live the riskiest lifestyles.
No, I'm not talking about base jumpers and high wire acrobats, and we have had this conversation before.
For the benefit of anyone who just tuned in, though, the people I am referring to have already contracted the disease (which is why the 'no preexisting condition' bit) that will cost between $600,000.00 and $750,000.00 in medical costs in their lifetime (over the next 25 years,should they live so long), and they already number 1.3 million (and growing) in the US.

What you want is for the rest of us who don't live the lifestyles which are at extreme risk for contracting that disease to pick up that trillion dollar plus tab.

That isn't a 'risk', it is the sort of act that got many of those people infected.
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« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2017, 04:50:51 pm »
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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2017, 04:52:22 pm »
You can keep any doctor you want if you're able to pay him out of your own pocket.   Under the AHCA, no one is forced to purchase insurance.
Umm I thought that's why I bought insurance.  22222frying pan
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« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2017, 04:55:05 pm »
Why do you object to punishing free riders?   Why should any government health care policy be constructed to encourage folks to remain uninsured until they're sick?   

Your big government Liberal roots are showing.
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« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2017, 04:55:18 pm »
It is my understanding that this is a first of three phases.

The first phase will be used as a transition phase, with the focus on not letting the poor and destitute fall through the cracks.

Meaning, we've got a helluva chance to drive a wooden stake through the Vampire called the Democrat Party, if we don't provide a visual to the MSM implying the GOP turned their backs and lied to the American People when President Trump said "ALL Americans..."

I knew there would be some things he would sanction that would not appeal to me.   This is one of them, but I understand the thinking.

Upset that for at least SIX effing years they've had a chance to prepare for this day.   What's so complicated about crossing State lines to attract customers?

Why is the Republican Party terrified of market forces?
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« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2017, 05:01:29 pm »
Rush had a terrific segment on this yesterday....where he explained that millennials willingly pay for monthly insurance to protect their cell phones, because they realize the value of not being without a replacement immediately.

(Over half the American population cannot write a check for $500.)

If they 'buried' the cost of their health insurance inside a monthly premium necessary for a valid driver's license, would they 'willingly' pay for it?   

Nobody wants to pay $$$ for somebody else's grandmother's health care.
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« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2017, 05:07:15 pm »
Folks, please dial it back. Attack the idea. Don't attack the poster.

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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2017, 05:07:29 pm »
Why do you object to punishing free riders?   Why should any government health care policy be constructed to encourage folks to remain uninsured until they're sick?   

#1  Bammycare is/was nothing more than a tax ... forcing people to pay for something IS still in my books Unconstitutional!  That's like telling me I must by a life insurance policy and penalize me because I can't afford the policy.

#2 Bammycare was crap before and Bammcare Lite is crap now!

The promise made by this President and many in the GOP was the REPEAL of Bammycare ... this is merely stripping away some of the language here and there.  Sad, very sad.
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« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2017, 05:07:40 pm »
Rush had a terrific segment on this yesterday....where he explained that millennials willingly pay for monthly insurance to protect their cell phones, because they realize the value of not being without a replacement immediately.

(Over half the American population cannot write a check for $500.)

If they 'buried' the cost of their health insurance inside a monthly premium necessary for a valid driver's license, would they 'willingly' pay for it?   

Nobody wants to pay $$$ for somebody else's grandmother's health care.

Younger people don't need the healthcare coverage because they are in better health.  There's more chance of them dropping said cell phone in the toilet drunk at the bar one night than needn't health care with a $5,000 deductible.

But for either the old ponzi scheme or this new one tow rom you need those same young people to buy the insurance to pay for the coverage of old farts that actually need it.

The young people will naturally balk...which someone here considers lazy and should be punishable by the Feds.
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Re: Coulter on Obamacare Replacement: Who Wrote This Piece of Crap?
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2017, 05:11:59 pm »
Folks, please dial it back. Attack the idea. Don't attack the poster.

When 'the poster' is spewing liberal doctrine, you might want to ask 'the poster' to dial THAT back and there would be no reason to call them on it. Or mock them for it. But since 'the poster' has been in full barking moonbat mode for several days now, and many of us will attest to it, he gets his BS back in kind.

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« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2017, 05:15:15 pm »
The perfect is the enemy of the good.

NO.

YOU'RE THE ENEMY OF WHAT IS GOOD.

By your own words.

Once again spewing your lofted inane reasonings for Liberal Statism and Leftist tyranny once again.
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