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Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« on: March 05, 2017, 10:17:40 pm »
Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
By Mallory Shelbourne - 03/05/17 05:02 PM EST

The CEO of Newsmax Media, known for having a relationship with President Trump, wrote on Sunday that Trump insists he will be proven right regarding his allegation of wiretaps at Trump Tower.

“I spoke with the President twice yesterday about the wiretap story. I haven’t seen him this pissed off in a long time,” Christopher Ruddy wrote in an article for his website.

“When I mentioned Obama ‘denials’ about the wiretaps, he shot back: ‘This will be investigated, it will all come out. I will be proven right,’” he said.

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http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/776977/16
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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 04:09:13 am »
Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
By Mallory Shelbourne - 03/05/17 05:02 PM EST

The CEO of Newsmax Media, known for having a relationship with President Trump, wrote on Sunday that Trump insists he will be proven right regarding his allegation of wiretaps at Trump Tower.

“I spoke with the President twice yesterday about the wiretap story. I haven’t seen him this pissed off in a long time,” Christopher Ruddy wrote in an article for his website.

“When I mentioned Obama ‘denials’ about the wiretaps, he shot back: ‘This will be investigated, it will all come out. I will be proven right,’” he said.

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http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/776977/16
Trump and Democratic Smokescreens
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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 10:07:23 am »
Newsmax, another "news" outlet behaving just as badly in favor of Trump as MSNBC behaved for Obama.

They should all close up shop.

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 10:26:58 am »
Here's hoping he's right.

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I hope he's right too - but I wouldn't bet a 25 cents on it...

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2017, 10:36:19 am »
Newsmax, another "news" outlet behaving just as badly in favor of Trump as MSNBC behaved for Obama.

They should all close up shop.

The last election pretty much took out the media, particularly on the right...

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2017, 01:51:16 pm »
Let's be very clear about what we know (or think we know). First, all the so-called knowledge we have is from leaked snips of classified material from anonymous sources. Every one of these leaks comprise a criminal act and the FBI and DOJ are duty bound to prosecute those who have committed these acts.

As a result of these criminal acts we are told that on two separate occasions "someone" came to a FISA judge seeking a warrant to do "something". We are told that the first request, which was denied, mentioned the then private American citizen, Donald Trump. This request was denied and a second request was made in the month before the election (desperate for the October Surprise?) This one was granted. One of many things we do not know is whether this request was made to the same judge who denied the first.

We know nothing of the specifics of the probable cause presented. 

However, my working hypothesis is that Jeff Sessions has done his due diligence and he knows all the gory details and he has shared them with Trump.

My preference would have  been that Trump had taken that shared information and kept it to himself.  And that Sessions turn over his findings to a US Attorney for presentation to a Grand Jury. 

Then, Sessions simply makes a Press Release, stating that the matter has been referred for criminal prosecution and that no further comment will be forthcoming from the government. Nullify the posturing and preening that any Congressional investigations will surely devolve into. 

Though Trump unwisely (imo) let the cat out of the bag, is this a viable option, moving forward?

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2017, 01:55:10 pm »
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What's he gonna do?  Plant the bugs himself?
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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 02:00:30 pm »
Of course it is. Grand jury time.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,252709.0.html

Lots of wiretapping of Friendlies and Journalists.

Let's be very clear about what we know (or think we know). First, all the so-called knowledge we have is from leaked snips of classified material from anonymous sources. Every one of these leaks comprise a criminal act and the FBI and DOJ are duty bound to prosecute those who have committed these acts.

As a result of these criminal acts we are told that on two separate occasions "someone" came to a FISA judge seeking a warrant to do "something". We are told that the first request, which was denied, mentioned the then private American citizen, Donald Trump. This request was denied and a second request was made in the month before the election (desperate for the October Surprise?) This one was granted. One of many things we do not know is whether this request was made to the same judge who denied the first.

We know nothing of the specifics of the probable cause presented. 

However, my working hypothesis is that Jeff Sessions has done his due diligence and he knows all the gory details and he has shared them with Trump.

My preference would have  been that Trump had taken that shared information and kept it to himself.  And that Sessions turn over his findings to a US Attorney for presentation to a Grand Jury. 

Then, Sessions simply makes a Press Release, stating that the matter has been referred for criminal prosecution and that no further comment will be forthcoming from the government. Nullify the posturing and preening that any Congressional investigations will surely devolve into. 

Though Trump unwisely (imo) let the cat out of the bag, is this a viable option, moving forward?

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 02:08:51 pm »
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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 03:05:32 pm »
What's he gonna do?  Plant the bugs himself?

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 03:09:17 pm »
Might have been nice if he got the proof first and then went public...


Just saying.

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 03:20:12 pm »
Might have been nice if he got the proof first and then went public...


Just saying.

Sounds like you are "just saying" that Trump release classified material. At the very least he should order that the two FISA petitions be declassified and released.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2017, 03:21:45 pm »
Sounds like you are "just saying" that Trump release classified material. At the very least he should order that the two FISA petitions be declassified and released.

I think if there was something in there he'd have done that first.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2017, 03:25:28 pm »
I think if there was something in there he'd have done that first.

When have you ever seen Trump not put the cart before the horse? 

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2017, 03:38:00 pm »
   Trump has access to every document that would prove his assertions and with the Constitutional ability to classify/declassify anything, this does remind me of his tax returns. 
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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2017, 03:47:05 pm »
When have you ever seen Trump not put the cart before the horse?

Reminds me of an old Tom Foley quote. I believe it was one that was brought up last week about seriousness of charges more important than actual proof...something like that.
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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2017, 04:43:14 pm »
   Trump has access to every document that would prove his assertions and with the Constitutional ability to classify/declassify anything, this does remind me of his tax returns.

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2017, 04:59:37 pm »
Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps



And so far,  it looks as though he will be proven correct.  Those FISA court applications are in the open now,  so it's pretty hard to hide the evidence at this point. 

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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2017, 05:01:19 pm »

And so far,  it looks as though he will be proven correct.  Those FISA court applications are in the open now,  so it's pretty hard to hide the evidence at this point.

Where exactly has it been revealed that Trump was right?
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2017, 05:06:52 pm »


My preference would have  been that Trump had taken that shared information and kept it to himself.  And that Sessions turn over his findings to a US Attorney for presentation to a Grand Jury. 



Methinks that discovering oneself to be the focus of an attempted criminal/treason investigation makes it a little hard to maintain clinical detachment.   

Most normal people would be outraged and immediately seek to proclaim their outrage to others,  especially if one suspects this is a STASI level of abuse of a government intelligence weapon that  is normally used against foreign enemies.   


Chicago Mafia stuff here,  in my opinion. 


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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2017, 05:09:57 pm »
I think if there was something in there he'd have done that first.


The fact of their existence is all the "in there"  that is necessary.   
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2017, 05:15:24 pm »

The fact of their existence is all the "in there"  that is necessary.

Not really.

FISA is limited in scope as to whom they can tap why and when they can do it as well...all of us on various forums hashed this out back when the left went ape sh*t over W wiretapping foreign terrorists phone calls into the U.S. 

Remember the taps were on foreign phones trying to find out who the terrorists in Afghanistan and other places were talking to in the states.

If there was a legal wiretap on a Russian phone line or if one of our bugs in the Russian embassy recorded the conversation...then Trump's phones and Trump Tower wasn't bugged.  The Russians were.

Again does anyone ever stop to think we're being distracted by a shiny object so we don't notice the real issue here?
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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2017, 05:17:15 pm »

And so far,  it looks as though he will be proven correct.  Those FISA court applications are in the open now,  so it's pretty hard to hide the evidence at this point.

Are they? All I have seen is reports based on criminally leaked material of their existence. Have I missed something?

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2017, 05:21:20 pm »
Are they? All I have seen is reports based on criminally leaked material of their existence. Have I missed something?


They are out in the open unofficially.   Presumably it is only a matter of course before their status is officially acknowledged.  I am operating on the premise that they are real,  and if it should turn out that this leaked information is incorrect,  I will revise my opinion. 



Perhaps I am prejudiced against Obama,   but this business sounds exactly like the sort of behavior in which this gutter-snake engages.  We have plenty of examples of his abuse of government power,  so as a matter of history,  we know he has no opposing principles against abuse of government for political gain. 


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Re: Newsmax CEO: Trump vows he'll be 'proven right' on wiretaps
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2017, 05:21:36 pm »
Newsmax, another "news" outlet behaving just as badly in favor of Trump as MSNBC behaved for Obama.

They should all close up shop.

Well sure....cause....you know.....

any rogue "news" outlet that is not in 24/7 "Bash Trump" mode should be shut up and shut down.

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