Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

[XenaLee]

Obviously, your post implies the you do NOT want a civil war.

No, certainly not.  But you have to wonder....  how come certain posters here always seem to twist and spin comments made by those that do not agree with them....and that do NOT hate Trump as they do.  Like spinning what I said into "being for another civil war". 

Oddly enough....it's a trait they have in common with another faction in US politics that I dare not mention...lol. 

[Silver Pines]

I am responding to the core topic, not straw men.  Also not looking to hold grudges about discussions that are out of scope, from thread to thread.

@LonestarDream

I don't hold grudges about something posted on a message board, so you can tamp that drama down.

I was pointing out that your habit is refusal to respond to things you don't like.  Instead you deflect and resort to straw men, as you've done here.  Yet again.

So you go right on and have fun.

[LonestarDream]

No, certainly not.  But you have to wonder....  how come certain posters here always seem to twist and spin comments made by those that do not agree with them....and that do NOT hate Trump as they do.  Like spinning what I said into "being for another civil war". 

Oddly enough....it's a trait they have in common with another faction in US politics that I dare not mention...lol.

Glad we cleared that up.  lol.  But in all seriousness you are not alone in having your posts twisted.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Your posts aren't discussion - just rants against other forum members.

Yep.

[XenaLee]

Your posts aren't discussion - just rants against other forum members.

You mean.... 

kinda like you're ranting against me....

right now?  Like that?

 

[LonestarDream]

@LonestarDream

I don't hold grudges about something posted on a message board, so you can tamp that drama down.

I was pointing out that your habit is refusal to respond to things you don't like.  Instead you deflect and resort to straw men, as you've done here.  Yet again.

So you go right on and have fun.

Catherine the wire taps are already proven.  The FISA court first refused ( and it almost never refuses requests) and then if approved the requests. 

Now it is just a matter Trump declassifying this, hope he does.  Myst did great research above.


The word 'Wire Tap' , which Trump even put in quotes, is just a device so that CrippleCreek can impress us with his humor.

In other words, Trump is appealing to a wide audience to people who may not know jargon like FISA

[endicom]

@LonestarDream

Just like the other day, you're not responding to my post, but replying with something unrelated.

I said, if there's something to this, he may have blown it by pre-emptively tweeting.

Tweeting it is prepping the public. No one else will do that prepping so he must. Without the prepping, even mass murders would go barely noticed.

[XenaLee]

Yep.

Damn, WTF.  Who knew?

I had no idea you were that delicate.   

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Catherine the wire taps are already proven.  The FISA court first refused ( and it almost never refuses requests) and then if approved the requests. 

Where are they proven? I saw a bunch of articles with "unnamed sources" that go round and round.

That's the problem with Trump and his Tweets, he shoots off his idiot mouth before the facts are known.

[LonestarDream]

Tweeting it is prepping the public. No one else will do that prepping so he must. Without the prepping, even mass murders would go barely noticed.

Exactly.

[LonestarDream]

Where are they proven? I saw a bunch of articles with "unnamed sources" that go round and round.

That's the problem with Trump and his Tweets, he shoots off his idiot mouth before the facts are known.

Read the links above.  Myst pretty much nailed it down.

[Fishrrman]

Hmmm.....
Jes' wonderin', don't mean nuthin', but...

...That "$60 million" for the upcoming "obama book deal"...

A number of folks in this forum have posted to wit that it could not possibly represent income earned from the "sale of books" alone -- but rather might constitute some kind of payoff, for "something" (as yet unknown).

Could this be pre-funding for the "coup by other means" (again, credit to von Clausewitz) either planned ... or ... underway...?

Payoffs to those involved? (who might have to "take the hit" for higher-ups?)

Gonna get interestin'!

[XenaLee]

Where are they proven? I saw a bunch of articles with "unnamed sources" that go round and round.

That's the problem with Trump and his Tweets, he shoots off his idiot mouth before the facts are known.

Ok.  I'll ask.

How, pray tell, would you know whether or not the facts are already known BY HIM?  Hmm???

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Ok.  I'll ask.

How, pray tell, would you know whether or not the facts are already known BY HIM?  Hmm???

I wouldn't, I'm reacting to his tweets.


Rumpy the idiot boy made the claims, he (or Spicer) have to back them up.

[Emjay]

Far fetched to who? I'm trying to wrap my head around the concept that someone this stupid is employed somewhere outside a supervised group work/rehab facility for the mentally damaged. Just how freaking stupid does one have to be to think a secret court with nearly unlimited power would NOT be used against political enemies by a tyrannical government? Far fetched? Really? Stevie Wonder would have to shield his eyes from the light of this one for cryin' out loud.

Yep, I am not ready to dismiss this, and thanx to Trump for putting it out in the open to be talked about.  He does that well and fearlessly

I would believe anything about Obama.  All the stuff we wondered about during his first election and during his rule ... none of that stuff has ever been fully investigated.  The press just wasn't interested .  What was his connection to Ayres.  Did Ayres write that overwrought autobiography?   The one that should have won the Bulwer Lytton award.  Where was he born.  Who were his childhood influences.  Why was he so determined to pave the way for Muslim infiltration into the country.

[XenaLee]

Read the links above.  Myst pretty much nailed it down.

Looks like he managed to completely ignore what Myst posted re: proof.  Hmm....

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I am just tired of coming on here to read discussion about politics, and then having to wade through pages of posts directed against other forum members. But I believe there is a block feature here, so since you've demonstrated you have nothing insightful or interesting to add to the discussion, it's a simple fix.

It's all the Rump supporters got, they go personal immediately because they have nothing else but to attack the messenger.

[Emjay]

I hope he has proof. Saying Arnold Schwarzenegger quit instead of being fired is a serious charge.

Yes !!  Why aren't we focusing on important stuff like this.  Arnold and Donald are both massive egos with Arnold probably being a little richer and better looking.  They are Twins.  Remember the movie?  Arnold mentioned Trump as a reason for quitting.  Why didn't he go out quietly like a man.

This is what we should be investigating.

[XenaLee]

I wouldn't, I'm reacting to his tweets.

LMAO! 

Rumpy the idiot boy made the claims, he (or Spicer) have to back them up.

That is incorrect.

He doesn't have to do a damned thing if he already knows and HAS the proof.  All he has to do now is sit back and observe the results of an investigation.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

LMAO! 

That is incorrect.

He doesn't have to do a damned thing if he already knows and HAS the proof.  All he has to do now is sit back and observe the results of an investigation.

What are you talking about? He made a claim, now he needs to provide evidence for said claim, period.

[LonestarDream]

But we are talking about a body of corroborating evidence, including Powerline, Levin and McCarthy.

I wouldn't, I'm reacting to his tweets.


Rumpy the idiot boy made the claims, he (or Spicer) have to back them up.

[catfish1957]

Problem is Trump has no credibility:


This is what happens when you're a lying sack of monkey shit as Trump is.

I actually despised Trump during the campaign.   OTOH......

Position wise I give him an A-  so far.

Still he is terrible embarrassment to himself, and this country.  Mr. Trump.....   Give the helm to Mike Pence.

[Emjay]

Well, there's your proof...even if there's no more. I have little doubt that it went well beyond just tapping the Ambassador...and if there is proof that Obama tapped anyone in the Trump campaign that is simply huge. A true threat to our democracy, and Trump SHOULD be shouting it from the rooftops. Its pathetic to read anti-Trump commentary over this issue....almost as a reflex. Rational criticism is one thing...reflexive and unsupported attacks on the president on such an is just another manifestation of the irrational nature of the still lingering NeverTrump idiocy.

Total amen to your post!!  I mean total.

[XenaLee]

I am just tired of coming on here to read discussion about politics, and then having to wade through pages of posts directed against other forum members. But I believe there is a block feature here, so since you've demonstrated you have nothing insightful or interesting to add to the discussion, it's a simple fix.

As a good friend of mine used to say....(often)...

don't threaten me with a good time. 

Ignore me, baby! 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

But we are talking about a body of corroborating evidence, including Powerline, Levin and McCarthy.

I want to see specifics. I see a bunch of articles that go round and round, with links to unnamed sources.


Rumpy little fingers felt he had enough evidence to make those idiotic tweets, so why can't he provide it?