Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

[ABX]

It seems like everyone else is taking this more seriously than the President is. After his 'bad' 'sad' tweets about it, he immediately blew it off and moved on to other subjects. He must not think it is that important. He changed the subject to The Apprentice.

Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't voluntarily leaving the Apprentice, he was fired by his bad (pathetic) ratings, not by me. Sad end to great show

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

March 4, 2017

[XenaLee]

What are you talking about? He made a claim, now he needs to provide evidence for said claim, period.

If you have proof of criminal activities, you are not required to publicly release that proof, WTF.  In fact, it might even jeopardize the case and get you in hot water for doing so.  So....

What the hell are YOU talking about? 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

If you have proof of criminal activities, you are not required to publicly release that proof, WTF.  In fact, it might even jeapardize the case and get you in hot water for doing so.  So....

What the hell are YOU talking about?

Don't make a public claim or this magnitude without evidence. Same thing with the left's proof of Russia hacking the election.


Especially if you're President.

[Emjay]

Of course, that is the real issue.  And yet... the Trump haters are, as usual, attempting to turn this around and use it against Trump.  The real threat isn't Trump and his personality quirks (or disorders, as some claim)....but the fact that the Obama regime abused power in such a manner as to rival the Soviet Russian era of tyranny over political opponents.  That America dodged that bullet called Hillary, which would have meant more of the same of these threats, seems to have whooshed right over the Trump-haters heads.

Nailed it again, @XenaLee.  The Trump haters want something very badly.  I'm trying to figure out what it is.  Do they want a re-run of the election, one where Hillary wins.  Do they want Obama back?  Hillary would have been an extension of Obama.

Both the Obama and Clintons machines were just great at digging dirt and blackmailing and they had the media on their side.

I thank God every day that Trump won and that he's done pretty well so far.  I want that to continue.

I'd love to know what They want.

[LonestarDream]

Arnold is comic relief.  Also could be another device to draw a wider audience to the wire tapping ...

It seems like everyone else is taking this more seriously than the President is. After his 'bad' 'sad' tweets about it, he immediately blew it off and moved on to other subjects. He must not think it is that important. He changed the subject to The Apprentice.

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March 4, 2017

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[ABX]

If you have proof of criminal activities, you are not required to publicly release that proof, WTF.  In fact, it might even jeopardize the case and get you in hot water for doing so.  So....

What the hell are YOU talking about?

However, if he was anyone other than a politician, by making the accusation of criminal activity, he would be liable for any public accusations he made.

His best move here is something along the lines of 'I've instructed the justice department to investigate evidence of illegal wiretapping.. yadda yadda..' Not go on a tweet storm.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Arnold is comic relief.  Also could be another device to draw a wider audience to the wire tapping ...

Right. Trump is playing 12 dimensional chess again.


 

[LonestarDream]

If you have proof of criminal activities, you are not required to publicly release that proof, WTF.  In fact, it might even jeopardize the case and get you in hot water for doing so.  So....

What the hell are YOU talking about?

Her ya go XenaLee, ABCNEWS clears all this up by saying that Lynch or Holder were ALWAYS independent and never interfered by Obama.

ABC news would never lie by omission would they?

 


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-accuses-obama-wiretapping-phones-trump-tower/story?id=45905776

A spokesman for former President Obama issued a strong denial to President Trump's accusation that the former commander-in-chief wiretapped Trump Tower phones during the election campaign.

"A cardinal rule of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement Saturday. "As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."

[Chosen Daughter]

This is a serious accusation he better have proof!

I will reserve comment to see if Trump comes up with any proof.

[Rivergirl]

At least he isn't tweeting about  Streep at the moment.   
But then he is attacking Arnold...........
Great priorities itsy bitsy.
And here it is Saturday.   Ivanka-sky and Jared-sky busy observing their religion while daddy dearest goes on a tweet storm.
Maybe Melanya could read him a Dr. Seuss book to calm him down.

[LonestarDream]

And have Sessions lead the investigation?  Lets have a look at the FISA requests AND the politics of the judges who approved the SECOND FISA wiretap. 

However, if he was anyone other than a politician, by making the accusation of criminal activity, he would be liable for any public accusations he made.

His best move here is something along the lines of 'I've instructed the justice department to investigate evidence of illegal wiretapping.. yadda yadda..' Not go on a tweet storm.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

It's actuall checkers, and I think he's up to 13 now. The original 2 dimensions, plus 11 extra dimensions of stupidity.

 

[ABX]

I will reserve comment to see if Trump comes up with any proof.

Best course of action.
He needs to show/produce proof and/or instruct the justice department to investigate the matter. If he immediately and professionally does the latter, it isn't really necessary for the former other than he chose to make this an issue being fought in the court of public opinion versus through legal channels.

And that really is the point here. Trump brought the charge to the court of public opinion, so of course the public will weigh in and discuss evidence (or lack thereof), trustworthiness, etc.

If the case wasn't made in the court of public opinion and instead, through legal channels, the burden of proof, and the consequence of said actions, would be much higher.

Let's see what he does.

Most should at least admit though, his tweets are unprofessional and childish.

[ABX]

And have Sessions lead the investigation?  Lets have a look at the FISA requests AND the politics of the judges who approved the SECOND FISA wiretap.

Exactly. What is in the warrant. Was the warrant properly administered. Was the tapping done under the limitations of the warrant. Was the information presented in the warrant request factual.

I actually believe Sessions would be more apt to follow this no matter which way it goes. He would be quick to point out illegalities or improper action, or he would defend an appropriate FISA wiretapping request if the case was solid and legitimate. Sessions doesn't seem to be a game player.

[Chosen Daughter]

Nailed it again, @XenaLee.  The Trump haters want something very badly.  I'm trying to figure out what it is.  Do they want a re-run of the election, one where Hillary wins.  Do they want Obama back?  Hillary would have been an extension of Obama.

Both the Obama and Clintons machines were just great at digging dirt and blackmailing and they had the media on their side.

I thank God every day that Trump won and that he's done pretty well so far.  I want that to continue.

I'd love to know what They want.

You have a habit of these same postings about people in this forum.  Are you going to use this same old argument every time Trump does or doesn't do something?  Are we not allowed to question Trump just because we didn't want Hillary to win?  I guess you give him a free pass because you thank God he won.  I thank God for things that are right and reserve the right to make an assessment on everything.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Exactly. What is in the warrant. Was the warrant properly administered. Was the tapping done under the limitations of the warrant. Was the information presented in the warrant request factual.

I actually believe Sessions would be more apt to follow this no matter which way it goes. He would be quick to point out illegalities or improper action, or he would defend an appropriate FISA wiretapping request if the case was solid and legitimate. Sessions doesn't seem to be a game player.

Welp so far all I've seen is an article that links to another article that links to another article and so on and so forth until and the end of the linked article chain it seems this is all based on some unnamed sources.


The entire thing could be complete bullshit. Which would make Trump look like an even bigger idiot.

[LonestarDream]

The the above real clear politics link .  Super focused.


    1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

    2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

    3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

    4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

I want to see specifics. I see a bunch of articles that go round and round, with links to unnamed sources.


Rumpy little fingers felt he had enough evidence to make those idiotic tweets, so why can't he provide it?

[Chosen Daughter]

Welp so far all I've seen is an article that links to another article that links to another article and so on and so forth until and the end of the linked article chain it seems this is all based on some unnamed sources.


The entire thing could be complete bullshit. Which makes Trump look like an even bigger idiot.

Hope they don't trace it back to his friend at the Enquirer.

[XenaLee]

Nailed it again, @XenaLee.  The Trump haters want something very badly.  I'm trying to figure out what it is.  Do they want a re-run of the election, one where Hillary wins.  Do they want Obama back?  Hillary would have been an extension of Obama.

Both the Obama and Clintons machines were just great at digging dirt and blackmailing and they had the media on their side.

I thank God every day that Trump won and that he's done pretty well so far.  I want that to continue.

I'd love to know what They want.

I agree, Emjay.

I have no idea what they want, nor do I care what they want.  I do, however, suspect that what they want is probably not anywhere near what I want for the future of this nation.  I want a radical-leftist-free America.

I'm no Trump fan, but when I see BS I'm going to call it out. 

I'm a truth fan.  And these guys don't seem to really care about getting to the truth.  It's all about 'destroying Trump' in their minds, apparently.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The the above real clear politics link .  Super focused.


    1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

Based on what? The article names a bunch of "unnamed sources" as far as I can tell.


I thought unnamed sources were bad? Or do the Trumpanzees now believe everything they say now?


Show me the FISA order.

[LonestarDream]

Well Sessions recused .  I think taking this to the 'peoples court' is a good approach.

Cant accuse Trump of Being Bush or Bush or Bush.

Exactly. What is in the warrant. Was the warrant properly administered. Was the tapping done under the limitations of the warrant. Was the information presented in the warrant request factual.

I actually believe Sessions would be more apt to follow this no matter which way it goes. He would be quick to point out illegalities or improper action, or he would defend an appropriate FISA wiretapping request if the case was solid and legitimate. Sessions doesn't seem to be a game player.

[XenaLee]

The the above real clear politics link .  Super focused.


    1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

    2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

    3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

    4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

Now..... wait for it....

[crickets]

 

[Chosen Daughter]

The the above real clear politics link .  Super focused.


    1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

    2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

    3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

    4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

That looks like it could be evidence.

[XenaLee]

Based on what? The article names a bunch of "unnamed sources" as far as I can tell.


I thought unnamed sources were bad? Or do the Trumpanzees now believe everything they say now?


Show me the FISA order.

Good grief.   You obviously have an agenda here.

(but we knew that)

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Good grief.   You obviously have an agenda here.

(but we knew that)

So you believe unnamed sources now? I thought Trump said those were bad?