Author Topic: Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!  (Read 41613 times)

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THAT we are in agreement of .  The facts of the existence and disposition of the FISA orders are not in question.

But WHO were the judges that decided the cases and were they puppets of Obama an Valerie Jarrett? 


Show me the FISA order.
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You have a habit of these same postings about people in this forum.  Are you going to use this same old argument every time Trump does or doesn't do something?  Are we not allowed to question Trump just because we didn't want Hillary to win?  I guess you give him a free pass because you thank God he won.  I thank God for things that are right and reserve the right to make an assessment on everything.

Pardon my chiming in here....but....

Hell yes, you're allowed to "question Trump".  It's a necessary function of a democratic society.  As a matter of fact, that is ALL some of you do here, 24/7, 7 days a week.  Question, bash and diss Trump.... even without valid reasons OR facts OR proof of any wrong-doing.  Just based on your hatred of his tweets...lolol.

Conversely, we....who are more interested in the truth than in bashing Trump.... are allowed to question and critique your questions.  It ain't rocket science.  It's called a political discussion forum.
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FISA wiretaps on a Presidential candidate? This is 3X worse than Watergate.

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The facts of the existence and disposition of the FISA orders are not in question.


Yeah but, how do you know that? this entire bruhaha is based on "sources" as far as I can tell.


Give me some official document or a name/face to go with this entire story. Otherwise it's as suspect as the story about Trump getting prostitutes to pee on the bed.

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I agree, Emjay.

I have no idea what they want, nor do I care what they want.  I do, however, suspect that what they want is probably not anywhere near what I want for the future of this nation.  I want a radical-leftist-free America.

I'm no Trump fan, but when I see BS I'm going to call it out. 

I'm a truth fan.  And these guys don't seem to really care about getting to the truth.  It's all about 'destroying Trump' in their minds, apparently.

There are people here with vested intrest in maintaining the status quo just like there are those in Washington.
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So you believe unnamed sources now? I thought Trump said those were bad?

I don't know what to believe, and I'm not under any obligation here.

And again....(sigh).... you seem to 'think' that Trump should be forced to release publicly any proof that he has on this issue.  You're wrong.  Can't you get that?
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Welp so far all I've seen is an article that links to another article that links to another article and so on and so forth until and the end of the linked article chain it seems this is all based on some unnamed sources.


The entire thing could be complete bullshit. Which would make Trump look like an even bigger idiot.

A worse prospect everyone should be prepared for. What if the warrants were properly administered. What if sufficient evidence was given for issuing the warrant even under the most non-objective guidelines? Could there be a backfire in this regarding the 'Russia' connection story, maybe not with Trump himself but we do know some in his circle, like Manafort did have ongoing relationships and deals with Russia. Not saying it would support the Dem's storyline, but it would give them talking points to keep it going.

It could be a set up.

I can imagine it now, the Dems go up on the Hill with the line: See, the evidence of voter manipulation by the Russians was so severe, the main counter terrorism court, FISA issued a warrant to investigate this using rules established under the Bush administration.

If I were to write a fictional story along these lines with a highly manipulative left playing games, I couldn't come up with a better twist. They bait Trump to talk about the wiretapping then they turn it on him and show the evidence presented to the court that justified a legal warrant for wiretapping. In this case, it is less Watergate, more Gambino (legal, authorized wiretap brought down family).

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There are people here with vested intrest in maintaining the status quo just like there are those iin Washington.

Excellent point, Bigun.... that those here that are in constant 'bash Trump' mode don't necessarily have to be on the side of the radical left.  They can merely be establishment (RINO) wonks, as well.

Thanks for that reminder. 
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Pardon my chiming in here....but....

Hell yes, you're allowed to "question Trump".  It's a necessary function of a democratic society.  As a matter of fact, that is ALL some of you do here, 24/7, 7 days a week.  Question, bash and diss Trump.... even without valid reasons OR facts OR proof of any wrong-doing.  Just based on your hatred of his tweets...lolol.

Conversely, we....who are more interested in the truth than in bashing Trump.... are allowed to question and critique your questions.  It ain't rocket science.  It's called a political discussion forum.

Have to say I am laughing so hard right now.  I will give credit where credit is due.  I gave Trump credit for honoring the widow the other day but questioned his strength for not taking responsibility.  I will admit when I am wrong.  But I agree with you it is political discussion.

No, I don't like his tweets I think they make him look stupid.  I can say that.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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FISA wiretaps on a Presidential candidate? This is 3X worse than Watergate.

Would you have approved in 2007 and 2008, legally authorized wiretaps on candidate Obama if there was evidence of collusion with Soros and the Muslim Brotherhood?
Not saying that is the case here, but we all seem to change what we'll accept simply because we like or don't like the parties involved.

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A worse prospect everyone should be prepared for. What if the warrants were properly administered. What if sufficient evidence was given for issuing the warrant even under the most non-objective guidelines? Could there be a backfire in this regarding the 'Russia' connection story, maybe not with Trump himself but we do know some in his circle, like Manafort did have ongoing relationships and deals with Russia. Not saying it would support the Dem's storyline, but it would give them talking points to keep it going.

It could be a set up.

I think that it is absolutely verifiable that he had Russian connections.  Are they connections that would warrant anything like this?  I don't know.

I can imagine it now, the Dems go up on the Hill with the line: See, the evidence of voter manipulation by the Russians was so severe, the main counter terrorism court, FISA issued a warrant to investigate this using rules established under the Bush administration.

If I were to write a fictional story along these lines with a highly manipulative left playing games, I couldn't come up with a better twist. They bait Trump to talk about the wiretapping then they turn it on him and show the evidence presented to the court that justified a legal warrant for wiretapping. In this case, it is less Watergate, more Gambino (legal, authorized wiretap brought down family).

What happened to my response?

It isn't a question of whether he has connections to me.  It is whether there is a threat that warrants this.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Have to say I am laughing so hard right now.  I will give credit where credit is due.  I gave Trump credit for honoring the widow the other day but questioned his strength for not taking responsibility.  I will admit when I am wrong.  But I agree with you it is political discussion.

No, I don't like his tweets I think they make him look stupid.  I can say that.

And I agree that many of his tweets are juvenile and in poor taste.  But effective?  Time will tell.
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I must say, season 1 of the Trump presidency is very entertaining. Can't wait for season 2.

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I must say, season 1 of the Trump presidency is very entertaining. Can't wait for season 2.

Makes you wonder what big story they have planned for sweeps week.

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It could be a set up.

I can imagine it now, the Dems go up on the Hill with the line: See, the evidence of voter manipulation by the Russians was so severe, the main counter terrorism court, FISA issued a warrant to investigate this using rules established under the Bush administration.

They bait Trump to talk about the wiretapping then they turn it on him and show the evidence presented to the court that justified a legal warrant for wiretapping. In this case, it is less Watergate, more Gambino (legal, authorized wiretap brought down family).

The narrative already established is that Trump's election was illegitimate (Not My President Bumper stickers everywhere) and the orchestration of everything is to establish that narrative as "fact" while at the same time Obama's parallel government begins operating right alongside the Administration it is in the process of sabotaging and replacing.

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Exactly!!!! Bingo.

Also get tired of having my voting record being misconstrued.

After Walker got out, First I was for Cruz, then I was for Trump/Cruz and now I am for Trump/Pence.


My posting history shows this.   


And Xena, you might think Trump methods are quirky  , but there a 'method to the madness '

ALL of the media will not be able to ignore, dissemble and lie about these events.

@LonestarDream   I think your history parallels mine.  I really, really wanted Ted Cruz to be president and I still hope he will someday.

However, with this situation we are in .. with both Obama evil forces and Hillary evil forces concentrating all their power on sabotaging President Trump, I just had a thought.

For the situation we are in right now, I think we may need someone as mean and fearless as Trump. 

Yes, he embarrasses the more elegant among us but he does not back down.  The press has never encountered a force like this and they don't seem to know quite what to do with it.

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Excellent point, Bigun.... that those here that are in constant 'bash Trump' mode don't necessarily have to be on the side of the radical left.  They can merely be establishment (RINO) wonks, as well.

Thanks for that reminder.

So now anyone who doesn't trust Trump is either a leftist or a RINO.

Fascinating conclusion based on nothing but feelings.

A President shouldn't be tweeting out accusations without proof and his history of lying creates skepticism in discerning people.

Where is the liberalism or protection of RINO's in that?

WHERE??
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And I agree that many of his tweets are juvenile and in poor taste.  But effective?  Time will tell.

Make him look like a child.  And this one is about National Security.  Have you ever had a lawyer tell you to talk about a case on twitter?  If indeed this is true news it should be reported carefully.  Not on twitter.  Makes me think he is more concerned in putting this story out to his supporters in order to gain support.  To hell with any legal concerns or investigations of which he would be putting in jeopardy.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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And I agree that many of his tweets are juvenile and in poor taste.  But effective?  Time will tell.

They won't be effective if they are completely untrue. 
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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And I agree that many of his tweets are juvenile and in poor taste.  But effective?  Time will tell.

Trump was an abject imbecile to tweet about this situation.  He just handed his enemies the rope they are going to hang him with - at least as far as public opinion shaped by the Media goes.

A decent Administrator does not publicly talk about legal or national security matters.
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So now anyone who doesn't trust Trump is either a leftist or a RINO.

Fascinating conclusion based on nothing but feelings.

A President shouldn't be tweeting out accusations without proof and his history of lying creates skepticism in discerning people.

Where is the liberalism or protection of RINO's in that?

WHERE??

Read it again.....slowly.   You're dealing in absolutes.  My post said "can" be, not "are".

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Excellent point, Bigun.... that those here that are in constant 'bash Trump' mode don't necessarily have to be on the side of the radical left.  They can merely be establishment (RINO) wonks, as well.

Thanks for that reminder.


Less emotion, more logic, please.   :laugh:
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Trump was an abject imbecile to tweet about this situation.  He just handed his enemies the rope they are going to hang him with - at least as far as public opinion shaped by the Media goes.

A decent Administrator does not publicly talk about legal or national security matters.

Well....since the lamestream lying presshole media won't report on it (might make Obama look bad....shudder)....

perhaps it will turn out that his tweeting about it got the issue out to the public.  I expect a public outcry among those that DID vote for Trump over this.  Again, time will tell.
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I know.  I knew the history of Obama and Ayers even before Obama was elected.  I had researched it well, along with all the other freepers out there.  Too bad most Americans didn't bother to check them out, eh?

Right and that's what is so good about Trump.  His tweets (the one the carpers here call childish) garner attention.  They cannot be ignored.  The press has to deal with them and even in their attempts to dismiss and refute them, the public will see them.

Obama almost did it...he almost turned America into the country that he wanted.  Big, clumsy Trump stopped him cold.  Thank goodness.
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So now anyone who doesn't trust Trump is either a leftist or a RINO.

Fascinating conclusion based on nothing but feelings.

A President shouldn't be tweeting out accusations without proof and his history of lying creates skepticism in discerning people.

Where is the liberalism or protection of RINO's in that?

WHERE??

Thank you so much!  I am Constitutional Conservative.  I am no wonk.  Not even a politician.
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They won't be effective if they are completely untrue.

True dat.  But if they are true.... at least he got the issue out and got people (plenty of) talking about it.  That's probably a good thing IF he has the goods on the Obama regime.
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