MICHAEL FLYNN RESIGNS

[Cyber Liberty]

   You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.

Off topic, but...has the Logan Act ever been used?

[Bigun]

   You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.

Anyone who harbors the illusion that what Flynn did rises to anything like what Obama did is insane!

[Cyber Liberty]

Anyone who harbors the illusion that what Flynn did rises to anything like what Obama did is insane!

[corbe]

Off topic, but...has the Logan Act ever been used?

NO, not to my knowledge since it's inception 1789, I believe.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Off topic, but...has the Logan Act ever been used?

It was never intended to apply to a President-elect or his staff, and is probably unconstitutional anyway.

[Norm Lenhart]

Anyone who harbors the illusion that what Flynn did rises to anything like what Obama did is insane!

Ultimately, what he did got him fired and in a sane world, that would be the end of it. However, rather than let a thing be what it is, some people have taken this as a personal affront to Trump as the illusion that he is infallible must be maintained for some of the weaker minded out there.


Unless someone has evidence Trump ordered the gloryhound to break the law, Trump did the right thing and canned him and is otherwise blameless in this blowup. But alas, that isn't good enough for the devoted. Someone has to be destroyed, drama taken to absurd levels and history dug up to reopen the Ted Cruz episode.

Anything to avoid the actual issue.

[Bigun]

Ultimately, what he did got him fired and in a sane world, that would be the end of it. However, rather than let a thing be what it is, some people have taken this as a personal affront to Trump as the illusion that he is infallible must be maintained for some of the weaker minded out there.


Unless someone has evidence Trump ordered the gloryhound to break the law, Trump did the right thing and canned him and is otherwise blameless in this blowup. But alas, that isn't good enough for the devoted. Someone has to be destroyed, drama taken to absurd levels and history dug up to reopen the Ted Cruz episode.

Anything to avoid the actual issue.

And endless amounts of time and resources will be expended on this rather than any swamp draining.

[truth_seeker]

   You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.

No argument over that. (although at the point Obama's reelection was not assured, since the time of the contact was Mar. 2012-election year)

OTOH it is being suggested that the CIA recorded the call in question, and released it to the media to discredit Flynn.

Flynn represented an agenda of peaceful coexistence through cooperation with Russia, and the CIA represents an agenda of permanent low level conflict, to benefit the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned of, and that NeoCons also represent.

I am NOT claiming I know all the factors, just passing along one version. Dennis Kucinich among others, suggested this and he is no friend of Republicans.

[Cyber Liberty]

We're North of 150 posts on a topic where everybody is in agreement about the base facts of the matter.  This fighting for the sake of fighting probably isn't good for anybody but Democrats.  JMHO.

[corbe]

   And out comes 'the long knives'

Roger Stone: Priebus's 'purge' of Flynn is 'Pearl Harbor' for Trump loyalists

 By Joe Concha - 02/14/17 02:07 PM EST 

President Trump supporter Roger Stone tweeted Tuesday that the "purge" of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn is "Pearl Harbor" for Trump loyalists.

Stone blamed White House Chief of Staff Reince Preibus for Flynn's resignation after just 24 days on the job.

"Reince's purge of Flynn a 'Pearl Harbor' for Trump loyalists. Hope the midget is ready to rumble,"

wrote Stone.


Stone's tweet comes as Breitbart, the populist right-wing website once led by President Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, published a scathing report on Tuesday stating that Priebus was responsible for the administration's rocky start while speculating that his future in the administration may also be short.

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http://thehill.com/media/319491-roger-stone-priebuss-purge-of-flynn-is-pearl-harbor-for-trump-loyalists

[Cyber Liberty]

   And out comes 'the long knives'

Roger Stone: Priebus's 'purge' of Flynn is 'Pearl Harbor' for Trump loyalists

 By Joe Concha - 02/14/17 02:07 PM EST 

President Trump supporter Roger Stone tweeted Tuesday that the "purge" of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn is "Pearl Harbor" for Trump loyalists.

Stone blamed White House Chief of Staff Reince Preibus for Flynn's resignation after just 24 days on the job.
 

wrote Stone.


Stone's tweet comes as Breitbart, the populist right-wing website once led by President Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, published a scathing report on Tuesday stating that Priebus was responsible for the administration's rocky start while speculating that his future in the administration may also be short.

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http://thehill.com/media/319491-roger-stone-priebuss-purge-of-flynn-is-pearl-harbor-for-trump-loyalists

If Trump wants the bleeding to get worse he'll do what Roger Stone suggests.  I don't think he's that stupid.

[Machiavelli]

And please don't use the "Well, the Dems did it" excuse.

Tu quoque ("two wrongs make a right")

[LonestarDream]

Flynn was an arriving member of the admin.  This is a situation which an Obama admin intel person set him up.

But hey, if we are spying on the Government, lets spy on Lindsey Graham and the other democrats as to their peccadillos related to blackmail. 

Remember Diane Feinstein being spied on??

@don-o

Peering down the rabbit hole, it seems a bit more to it than that. There is a strange obsession for this admin to shoot from the hip with any and everything that flashes anywhere. Take a breath once in a while.

The messaging shop makes the Keystone Kops and Three Stooges look like paragons of competence and efficiency. This thing originated with a leaked transcript of an alleged phone conversation.

The action plan should be that there is no comment on anonymous accusations for some period of time.  Take the time to try to ascertain the facts and to try to ID the leaker.

Most importantly, get 100% solid and consistent on message. Trump needs to settle on ONE person to vet all comm, including his own.

@EC
@LonestarDream

[Sanguine]

I'm not going back to the Cruz/Trump wars. Cruz got over it and got on board the Trump train so I no longer have a problem with him. Seems a lot of his supporters can't do the same an bash Trump 24/7 even with the barbarians (Globalist Marxists Democrats and Globalist Republicans) at the gate.

If Trump goes down and now there is a full court press to take him down, the Globalists will have won and the country will never be the same. Forget about a secure border, forget about controlling illegal immigration, forget about staying out of wars that are non of our business, forget about ending socialize medicine, forget about tax reform and all the other things Trump ran on. The swamp will not be drain and DC will not be reformed.

I'm just suggesting that even had Trump not done what he did to Cruz, the #NeverTrumps would still have some legitimate problems with Trump.  Cruz isn't the issue and you #EverTrumps seem determined to make him the issue.  Which means that you are ignoring the other reasons the #NeverTrumps don't like Trump.  Unless we are honest about the issues the Evers and Nevers will remain at odds.  And, hopefully, that's not the reason the Cruz red-herring is repeatedly dragged across the trail.

[jpsb]

I'm just suggesting that even had Trump not done what he did to Cruz

Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?

Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP,  he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.

[Norm Lenhart]

Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?

Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP,  he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.

That's a lot of wrong you got stuffed up in your head. No wonder you have truth issues.

[corbe]

Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?

Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP,  he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.

   you should have taken my advice this morning, quit digging, now your problem is much worse.

[Norm Lenhart]

   you should have taken my advice this morning, quit digging, now your problem is much worse.

Waht, and miss his chance to attack Ted Cruz and spread more lies? Thats not the fanatical Trumpist way. Lest we forget, he was one of the biggest propagandists on the site.

[Sanguine]

Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?

Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP,  he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.

OK.  Now, I understand.  And, accept that we can not come to a meeting of minds on this.  You have decided to believe the skewed and outright untrue "breitbart" version of event.  There is no objectivity or truth there, which leaves us with no common ground on which to stand.

[Night Hides Not]

Tu quoque ("two wrongs make a right")

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?

Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP,  he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.

Total 100% lie.

[EC]

Does anyone know how to go about suing the printer of my diary? The lying rag is telling me the year is 2017, when it's obviously 2016.

[Cyber Liberty]

OK.  Now, I understand.  And, accept that we can not come to a meeting of minds on this.  You have decided to believe the skewed and outright untrue "breitbart" version of event.  There is no objectivity or truth there, which leaves us with no common ground on which to stand.

Yeah, I'm going to have to file @jpsb's quote to pull out the next time I see someone accuse the Nevers of being the ones keeping the animosity going.  It's a classic.

[Cyber Liberty]

Does anyone know how to go about suing the printer of my diary? The lying rag is telling me the year is 2017, when it's obviously 2016.

I can hear it now:  "Don't believe that Lyin' Diary!"

[Bigun]

Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?

Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP,  he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.

Just when I thought you were beginning to make some progress you have to go and prove me wrong!