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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2017, 09:04:11 pm »
Maybe he just likes the people there, and the worship style.  Did you ever consider that?

Never met a person who was not governed or influenced by what they heard in church.

I guess that consideration does not compute for you.
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2017, 09:13:06 pm »
Never met a person who was not governed or influenced by what they heard in church.

 **nononono*

You're just looking for reasons to dislike the guy.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2017, 09:21:13 pm »
**nononono*

You're just looking for reasons to dislike the guy.

Yeah.. that's it.

Because people are never influenced by what they hear at church and it never influences their decision-making, so therefore I am just hunting for reasons to dislike a guy being nominated for the highest court in the land.

It's obvious the memes and mindsets of the Left are contagious.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2017, 09:40:57 pm »
Evangelical Fundamentalist types are not on the Court from what I know or are underrepresented, I'd pick one of them if their record lines up well.

Sure, most of us don't care where someone worships but.. does it concern me? Yes, a little bit. I've gone by this Presbyterian Church with a rainbow flag in front. That doesn't really strike me well.

But not to hold out any specific church to criticism, a number of them have had problems with liberalization.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2017, 09:56:12 pm »
It's obvious the memes and mindsets of the Left are contagious.

Indeed.  It's easy to find examples where the left assigns guilt by association, and seeks to discredit candidates and nominees on the basis of the church they attend. 

It's contagious.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2017, 09:57:04 pm »
Far, far too much work to read and discuss his most relevant cases.

So just check out the church he attends. Political keyboard ranger rules.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2017, 10:00:46 pm »
It bothers the hell out of me.   And WTF was he doing out that night in that so-called private meeting anyway?

Once you're nominated, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and not even place yourself in any compromised (private) setting.

I don't like this pick.   Find somebody without this bullsh*t baggage.
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2017, 10:09:14 pm »
It bothers the hell out of me.   And WTF was he doing out that night in that so-called private meeting anyway?

Once you're nominated, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and not even place yourself in any compromised (private) setting.

I don't like this pick.   Find somebody without this bullsh*t baggage.

Is there anything in his jurisprudence that makes you nervous?  Or are you just responding to crap like this article because that's what you do?

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2017, 10:09:34 pm »
Indeed.  It's easy to find examples where the left assigns guilt by association, and seeks to discredit candidates and nominees on the basis of the church they attend. 

It's contagious.

Jeremiah Wright.

'Nuff said.

It's interesting that you're making the same exact kind of arguments made against those pointing out the concerns of Obama's association back in 2008.
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2017, 10:10:47 pm »
Jeremiah Wright.

'Nuff said.

INVAR.

'Nuff said.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2017, 10:17:28 pm »
Is there anything in his jurisprudence that makes you nervous?  Or are you just responding to crap like this article because that's what you do?

Why hasn't he himself, called a press conference and flatly deny, or at the very least provide context to Schumer's public statement on what transpired?

And a leftist, socialist Church bothers me.   See: POPE!

If they really want to find a Scalia replacement, it shouldn't be hard.
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2017, 10:20:17 pm »
INVAR.

'Nuff said.

THAT's your rebuttal????

 :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog:  :big silly:

« Last Edit: February 10, 2017, 10:20:34 pm by INVAR »
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2017, 10:21:54 pm »
Why hasn't he himself, called a press conference and flatly deny, or at the very least provide context to Schumer's public statement on what transpired?

Because he's not an idiot.

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And a leftist, socialist Church bothers me.   See: POPE! 

You evidently don't really understand Episcopalians; nor Catholics, either; so I'll just chalk that statement up to ignorance.

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If they really want to find a Scalia replacement, it shouldn't be hard.

"They" did.  Gorsuch has an excellent record as a judge, in that he's guided by the same principles as Scalia, even if he's not as fiery in his writing.
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2017, 10:22:48 pm »
THAT's your rebuttal????

You don't deserve anything better.  Your "argument" against Gorsuch is vapid.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2017, 10:36:38 pm »
 I'm having  David Souter flash backs.

http://www.conservapedia.com/David_Souter

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2017, 10:44:46 pm »
The Court probably should reflect the American people "to an extent"; there is no need to go overboard on the topic but they all don't need to come from the Ivy League and other elite schools.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2017, 10:59:38 pm »
The Court probably should reflect the American people "to an extent"; there is no need to go overboard on the topic but they all don't need to come from the Ivy League and other elite schools.

That's fine, so far as it goes; the school does shape how a person approaches the law.

However, Gorsuch has 25 years of experience in the courts and in private practice, and for the past 10 years he's been on the 10th Circuit, and the real-world experience has shaped his thinking a lot more.

Wikipedia has a pretty good article on him (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gorsuch) including links to various opinions.

Based on his record, he seems to be the kind of judge we want and need.

"Ed Straker" (seems to be a fake name, definitely deals in fake news) is just trolling folks -- and he's succeeded.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2017, 11:47:48 pm »
Sure you are.  That's exactly what you're doing.
I think that the sort of worship services one attends reflect their attitudes. If you allow your worship to be polluted by ideas which we, as conservatives, find abhorrent, then chances are your thinking will be somewhat aligned with those ideas.
Otherwise, I wouldn't tolerate those ideas and would find another church to attend. I have walked out of sermons I didn't agree with. My twice great grandfather reminded a Catholic Priest of the codicil in the deed for the land the church sat upon that when the day came that the teachings of the Church were no longer reflected in the services, the land reverted to the family, after standing up in the middle of a Homily and respectfully disagreeing with the priest.
They took the discussion to the sacristy after the service.
 
It becomes a question of what principles you are willing to stand by.

We looked at Obama in Jeremiah Wright's church, and saw then he would embrace the same identity politics that were preached from the pulpit. Fergusson and Baltimore and more were encouraged by the administration's lack of interference, evidence Obama agreed with the spew from that pulpit.

Now, suddenly, no one seems willing to apply the same litmus test to a SCOTUS nominee because "our guy" made the nomination. Nonsense.

We aren't supposed to judge another's soul (that's above our pay grade), but at the same time we are supposed to use some discernment in who we would give authority, over our worship and over our lives, just as we use some discretion in who we hang out with, partly because that reflects not just on us, but on the Deity we profess to follow.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2017, 11:52:18 pm »
I could care less what Church he attends as long as he follows the law as a justice!
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2017, 12:04:32 am »
Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?


Yes.   That is a major red flag. 
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« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2017, 12:05:08 am »
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2017, 12:06:08 am »
I could care less what Church he attends as long as he follows the law as a justice!
Bigun, I agree, but if you want to gain insight to how he will rule, and whether he will be faithful to the letter of man's laws, then look at the other principles he follows.
If you are looking for an honest accountant, you might not want the guy who keeps an overpayment of change.

I see his fidelity to God's laws reflected in where and how he chooses to worship--and that isn't an anti-protestant thing, but the church he chooses, for whatever reason, diverges from the tradition of Episcopal worship (how many pastors in the past would have marched with people in vagina costumes?). Those changes in accepted doctrine are very recent, much like legislating from the bench or Roberts handling of the ACA, or 'finding' Rights not in the Constitution, and not in the mold of someone who would truly be an Originalist with a document a mere 230 years old, while departing from much older doctrine in something so seminal as religion.

YMMV
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2017, 12:07:39 am »
It would help to know what kind of church (or parish as they are Catholics)  Scalia, Alito, and Thomas attended prior to their confirmation. In other words, is there predictive value in this type of information.


Very much so.  If they are devote Catholics,  they are likely to be conservative.  If they are Unitarians,  they will be flaming moonbat kook liberals.   If they are Jewish,  unless they are Orthodox,  they are virtually guaranteed to be liberal.  If they are Southern Baptist,  they are virtually guaranteed to be conservative.   If they are Episcopal,  there is a good chance they are liberal.   


If you have been paying attention to the activities of various denominations,  you realize there is a pattern to many of them. 
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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2017, 12:08:45 am »
Never met a person who was not governed or influenced by what they heard in church.

I guess that consideration does not compute for you.

Good evening, nice to meet you. Now you know you've met one.
:)

I'm such a cynic, I fall into that category.

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Re: Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2017, 12:11:11 am »
Not a damn thing.  I was a member of an Episcopal Church in Irving that became more and more liberal over the many years I was a member.  It finally came down to me and one other woman who were conservative.  And she died.

There are many good conservatives in Episcopal Churches who have good reasons to stay as the loyal opposition.

I'm certainly not holding this against him and nobody should.


This is an alternative view that might explain things,  but it still gives me misgivings that he would stay in a Liberal church. 


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