Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?

[cato potatoe]

Let's take this as a "Warning Sign".

As someone in this forum observed, If you have a choice between going to a church that is conservative and a church that is liberal Why stay at the liberal one?

What motivation will induce you to stay in the liberal one? Are we to believe that Boulder has NO CONSERVATIVE Episcopal parish at all?

The liberal church probably has better music and retains the traditional Anglican worship service.  Republicans dress for church like a trip to Costco.  (I'm half kidding of course)

[Jazzhead]

Most folks, I suspect, choose a local church based on the community it provides.   If Judge Gorsuch has had long-standing community ties with a particular Episcopalian church,  why should he move to a different church is order to satisfy those who appear to insist that one must live and pray only among those of the same political persuasion?

The country's divided enough; we have enough de facto political litmus tests concerning who we date, socialize and worship with.   I value my liberal friends,  my Muslim colleagues, and my gay relatives,  just as much as those who happen to vote the same way I do.   

[r9etb]

Most folks, I suspect, choose a local church based on the community it provides.   If Judge Gorsuch has had long-standing community ties with a particular Episcopalian church,  why should he move to a different church is order to satisfy those who appear to insist that one must live and pray only among those of the same political persuasion?

The country's divided enough; we have enough de facto political litmus tests concerning who we date, socialize and worship with.   I value my liberal friends,  my Muslim colleagues, and my gay relatives,  just as much as those who happen to vote the same way I do.   

Bingo.

I'm in the same Episcopal diocese and have met Rev. Springer, and some of the people from St. John's.  She's all right, and they're all right, even if their politics aren't to my liking.

For a person like Gorsuch to live in harmony in a church like St. John's ... or for people like me to do so in my own church ... is a model for how the world ought to be.

[XenaLee]

No one was concerned that Obama attended Trinity United in Chicago for 20 years and had anti-American racist Jeremiah Wright as his pastor.

Everyone deluded themselves into believing Obama would not be influenced by being steeped in such a politically adversarial "church".

But then fruits of Obama's tenure speak to how much he actually WAS influenced by his former 'church'.


Today, it's deja vu all over again and everyone is busy crowing about what an amazing Conservative/Scalia-esque Justice Gorsuch will make and tell themselves that the 'church' he is steeped in is not going to influence his thinking.

Obama was already a rabid, America-hating leftist even before he started attending Wright's rants/sermons.  It remains to be seen how Gorsuch will rule, but suffice to say.... we will be stuck with him ... whichever way he turns out.  I'm betting that he won't be anywhere near as moderate or right-leaning as the much-hated-by-the-left Scalia.  For some reason (gut feeling)...I'm thinking that he will tend to go along with the left-leaning judges on most rulings. 

We're in for some VERY rocky times and a bumpy ride, either way.

[INVAR]

Never was. Seem to recall the subject of most of the messages, studies and sermons hung around with a lot of thieves, prostitutes and tax collectors.

He 'hung around' with them?

I seem to recall He spent a lot of effort to encourage those to 'go and sin no more', not give sermons on the worthiness of being a sinner and how government is the Arbiter of fairness in society.    Aside from Judas - I'm curious which Apostles were apologists for robbery, prostitution and government tax collection?

[ABX]

The liberal church probably has better music and retains the traditional Anglican worship service.  Republicans dress for church like a trip to Costco.  (I'm half kidding of course)

Around here, our most Conservative churches are either 'name it and claim it' churches in the mold of Paula White or a new trend called 'cowboy churches' where people purposefully dress down and they pretend they are in the old west during service.

You are right, depending on the area, for those who want a more traditional church that is reverent, it may be along what some would consider a liberal denomination.

[INVAR]

Obama was already a rabid, America-hating leftist even before he started attending Wright's rants/sermons.  It remains to be seen how Gorsuch will rule, but suffice to say.... we will be stuck with him ... whichever way he turns out.  I'm betting that he won't be anywhere near as moderate or right-leaning as the much-hated-by-the-left Scalia.  For some reason (gut feeling)...I'm thinking that he will tend to go along with the left-leaning judges on most rulings. 

I'm simply addressing the meme bouncing around out there that someone's church affiliation and their mission statement in their community is not going to affect the thinking and rulings from the nominee that attends there by choice.

[r9etb]

I'm simply addressing the meme bouncing around out there that someone's church affiliation and their mission statement in their community is not going to affect the thinking and rulings from the nominee that attends there by choice.

That's a comment that cuts both ways... many different ways, in fact.

Judging by the judging going on here, some folks don't seem to recall what Jesus said about judging.

[Suppressed]

Bingo.

I'm in the same Episcopal diocese and have met Rev. Springer, and some of the people from St. John's.  She's all right, and they're all right, even if their politics aren't to my liking.

For a person like Gorsuch to live in harmony in a church like St. John's ... or for people like me to do so in my own church ... is a model for how the world ought to be.

Thanks for the local insight!

[Suppressed]

Your buddy needs to learn about the history of the Church involvement in politics. America likely wouldn't exist without Colonial Churches speaking up. If he doesn't like the politics of one church he can always find another. Founding fathers like George Whitfield preached long and loudly about freedom and self determination. Its the reason our founders didn't put a separation of church and state in the constitution.

Well, in particular, "hate" out of the church.

[XenaLee]

I'm simply addressing the meme bouncing around out there that someone's church affiliation and their mission statement in their community is not going to affect the thinking and rulings from the nominee that attends there by choice.

Yeah....you were addressing the topic.  I, on the other hand....went off in another direction...lol.

My bad.   

[XenaLee]

That's a comment that cuts both ways... many different ways, in fact.

Judging by the judging going on here, some folks don't seem to recall what Jesus said about judging.

Psst!  If you're judging the judging going on here, that means that you are judging too (duh).  (I just couldn't resist)

[r9etb]

Psst!  If you're judging the judging going on here, that means that you are judging too (duh).  (I just couldn't resist)

Mostly I just found the turn of phrase appealing.....

[NavyCanDo]

NO

What concerns me is we have people bothered by what Christian denomination or church one attends.

Look up Religious affiliations of Presidents, and you will learn that Episcopalian's and Presbyterians make up the majority. Many "true conservatives" who attend these churches today do so because their family has always been members of that denomination, going back generations. Same can be said with Catholics.     

[geronl]

On the other hand, Somebody observed that in many “liberal” churches, the congregation is far more faithful and orthodox than the pastor.

Rev Susan Spicer attended the vagina hat march with 'several members of the congregation'. (Note: she did not attend the March for Life). Since the judge's daughters are acolytes in the church, under her wing, I wonder if they went too?

[r9etb]

Many "true conservatives" who attend these churches today do so because their family has always been members of that denomination, going back generations. Same can be said with Catholics.     

True.  But if my Episcopal parish is any guide, most of us are attracted by the style of worship.  We have people all across the political spectrum, and probably more than half of them came from some other faith tradition.  The music and liturgy just works for us.

[INVAR]

That's a comment that cuts both ways... many different ways, in fact.

Judging by the judging going on here, some folks don't seem to recall what Jesus said about judging.

STOP.

We're not judging Gorsuch's heart and standing Before The Lord or whether or not he has God's Spirit.

We're judging the fact he has chosen to be part of a very Left-wing/politically Activist church, and given the company he chooses to keep does warrant the examination and supposition of how he may render judgments.

It's funny but I recall the same exact misapplication of Scripture to silence those who were warning about Obama's long tenure at Trinity United. 

They too insisted we should 'not judge' - when if the voters HAD judged according to the company Obama kept - we may not have suffered the rule of Obama.

[EC]

Make up your damned mind.

With Trump it was "His past actions are an indicator of his future ones."

Now with Gorush, it's "His past actions don't matter, because he goes to a church with a woman priest who went to the bleep hat march."

Judge in equal measure or not at all.

[r9etb]

STOP.

We're not judging Gorsuch's heart and standing Before The Lord or whether or not he has God's Spirit.

Sure you are.  That's exactly what you're doing.

[r9etb]

Make up your damned mind.

With Trump it was "His past actions are an indicator of his future ones."

Now with Gorush, it's "His past actions don't matter, because he goes to a church with a woman priest who went to the bleep hat march."

Judge in equal measure or not at all.

Do you know the priest?  Do you know the church?  Do you know whether and how the church Gorsuch attends has affected his rulings (which are highly regarded)?  Or are you just making assumptions based on .... well, I don't know what?

You need to take a nice, deep breath and step back from the issue.

The original post is a slimy hit piece by a guy who's fishing for knee-jerk reactions.

[EC]

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,248584.msg1223622.html#msg1223622

Deep breath not needed here.

[r9etb]

Deep breath not needed here.

My apologies.  Apparently I misunderstood your post. 

[EC]

 

We good?

We good.

[INVAR]

Sure you are.  That's exactly what you're doing.

NO.

IT'S NOT.

Despite what you insist.

I wrote specifically that we're judging the fact he has chosen to be part of a very Left-wing/politically Activist church, and given the company he chooses to keep does warrant the examination and supposition of how he may render judgments.

[r9etb]

I wrote specifically that we're judging the fact he has chosen to be part of a very Left-wing/politically Activist church, and given the company he chooses to keep does warrant the examination and supposition of how he may render judgments.

Maybe he just likes the people there, and the worship style.  Did you ever consider that?