Is California Really Going to Secede?

[bigheadfred]

Like the talk of secession in conservative southern states after Barack Obama became president, the idea of a separate California Republic builds on long-standing separatist feelings amplified by a momentous national election. Since Donald Trump became president while securing less than a third of the vote in California, the Yes California campaign — a.k.a. Calexit — has gotten a lot of attention and perhaps even some momentum in getting an initial measure placed on the 2018 general election ballot. An estimated 7,000 volunteers have begun amassing the 585,407 signatures necessary to place a constitutional amendment on the 2018 ballot deleting the state’s adherence to the United

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/is-california-really-going-to-secede.html

[Cripplecreek]

No.

The fact that we're not going to let those deepwater ports go is just 1 reason.

[Doug Loss]

If they'd hold the secession vote on a county-by-county basis, I'd lobby my senators for their right to leave.  Only the LA-SF coastal counties would vote to go, and we'd be well rid of them.  I'd also extend the county-by-county vote to Oregon and Washington too.

[DB]

Well since California has about 10% of the country's population and the federal government is in debt to the tune of around $20 trillion California's buy out should start at $2 trillion... And what about social security... Does California get 10% of the armed services?

[Hondo69]

Hotel California - you can check out but you can never leave.

I have no idea what that means, it just seemed appropriate somehow.

[libertybele]

Let them.  California would become more of a haven to illegals and terrorists than they already are.

[Idiot]

Let them.  California would become more of a haven to illegals and terrorists than they already are.

They'd become part of Mexico....as they'd deserve.

[txradioguy]

They'd never survive.

[txradioguy]

No.

The fact that we're not going to let those deepwater ports go is just 1 reason.

Just give the business to Oregon and Washington State.

[Sanguine]

This is good - we should be able to have a secession discussion without invoking the War Between The States.  Could be interesting.

[txradioguy]

If it were to happen...the red areas of the Central Valley should immediately apply to become the 50th State.

[Frank Cannon]

Is California Really Going to Secede?

I don't think so. They have a massive budget deficit. It's hard to succeed under those conditions.

[verga]

If they do leave could we build a wall on the Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon borders to keep them out?

[Idiot]

Like the talk of secession in conservative southern states after Barack Obama became president, the idea of a separate California Republic builds on long-standing separatist feelings amplified by a momentous national election. Since Donald Trump became president while securing less than a third of the vote in California, the Yes California campaign — a.k.a. Calexit — has gotten a lot of attention and perhaps even some momentum in getting an initial measure placed on the 2018 general election ballot. An estimated 7,000 volunteers have begun amassing the 585,407 signatures necessary to place a constitutional amendment on the 2018 ballot deleting the state’s adherence to the United

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/is-california-really-going-to-secede.html

Hey...if there's a go fund me page to help expedite their succeeding I'd donate...lol

[XenaLee]

Like the talk of secession in conservative southern states after Barack Obama became president, the idea of a separate California Republic builds on long-standing separatist feelings amplified by a momentous national election. Since Donald Trump became president while securing less than a third of the vote in California, the Yes California campaign — a.k.a. Calexit — has gotten a lot of attention and perhaps even some momentum in getting an initial measure placed on the 2018 general election ballot. An estimated 7,000 volunteers have begun amassing the 585,407 signatures necessary to place a constitutional amendment on the 2018 ballot deleting the state’s adherence to the United

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/is-california-really-going-to-secede.html

Really?  Who are they kidding?  Only themselves, apparently.   California would never survive as a separate entity.  They're too dependent upon that government teat.  They're anti-oil drilling.  The only thing they produce is .... well...produce like citrus, and their own idiotic liberal regulations and rules have all but made that industry unprofitable.  It would be really fun to watch them try to survive after secession, though.  I vote YES!  lol

[Sanguine]

Hey...if there's a go fund me page to help expedite their succeeding I'd donate...lol

You ought to start one!  That's a great idea!

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Not a chance.

[Cripplecreek]

Not a chance.

The federal government would never allow it.

There is also the problem of how much of our food is produced in California. I've long advocated for diversifying a sizable portion of our food production away from California. Pretty much every state in the country can be a major producer of at least a half dozen crops if they must.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

The federal government would never allow it.

There is also the problem of how much of our food is produced in California. I've long advocated for diversifying a sizable portion of our food production away from California. Pretty much every state in the country can be a major producer of at least a half dozen crops if they must.

If government regulations weren't choking the life out of independent farmers things might be able to move that directions. Right now everybody is owned my ADM, Monsanto, or Simplot; which doesn't help matters.   

[Frandia]

Their is a reason we are a Union of 50 states.  One way or another each needs the other.  The Federal Government needs all 50 to survive.  Therein is the problem...but for another discussion.

Californication is going nowhere.

[Cripplecreek]

If government regulations weren't choking the life out of independent farmers things might be able to move that directions. Right now everybody is owned my ADM, Monsanto, or Simplot; which doesn't help matters.

True enough.

A century ago cucumbers and cucumber seed were a major export from my little Michigan town. Michigan is still a big root crop producer. In fact the onions I bought today came from WM Bouwkamp & sons in Grant Michigan.

[Oceander]

Not a chance. 

[Sanguine]

The federal government would never allow it.

There is also the problem of how much of our food is produced in California. I've long advocated for diversifying a sizable portion of our food production away from California. Pretty much every state in the country can be a major producer of at least a half dozen crops if they must.

Seems like everything in the produce section now is from Mexico or Chile.

[Cripplecreek]

Seems like everything in the produce section now is from Mexico or Chile.

I actively look for locally and American grown products. I bought some Grand Traverse bay perch last week.

[Frandia]

I actively look for locally and American grown products. I bought some Grand Traverse bay perch last week.

Likewise.  Buy off the farm produce of what i can get. Otherwise (hate to push WF) but they have American grown...pricey however.