Even Legal Green card holders from Trump-restricted countries may not be allowed into US

[Sanguine]

[Luis Gonzalez]

Mostly, but I sure as shit don't give a rats about foreign nationals having to experience an interruption with their visit to my country.

Nor do I, but that's what this is about.

I oppose the notion of a Imperial Presidency governing by edict.

P.S. You don't mind if I remind you of that standard of not caring about stuff that doesn't impact you personally standard going forwatrd, do you?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Because they were the same countries in the 2015 0bama EO.  Countries with large numbers of refugees.  That's all that this addresses.

It's actually meaningless since the only thng that we can know for sure is the country where they boarded the aircraft traveling to the US. We can't track where their journey really started.

[Frank Cannon]

P.S. You don't mind if I remind you of that standard of not caring about stuff that doesn't impact you personally standard going forwatrd, do you?

You can try, but you will have a hard time figuring out what exactly effects me or not.

[Sanguine]

It's actually meaningless since the only thng that we can know for sure is the country where they boarded the aircraft traveling to the US. We can't track where their journey really started.

Sure we can.  Their passport says where they have visited.  If they have a green-card, where they went/came from before that should have already been vetted.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Sure we can.  Their passport says where they have visited.  If they have a green-card, where they went/came from before that should have already been vetted.

You've never been there, have you?

A jeep, a driver, and the desert negates your entire argument.

[Luis Gonzalez]

You can try, but you will have a hard time figuring out what exactly effects me or not.

It's way easier than you think.

For example... you can't oppose same-sex marriage since you have no obligation under the law to marry someone of your own sex, and someone else's Same-sex marriage has zero impact on you personally.

[Sanguine]

You've never been there, have you?

A jeep, a driver, and the desert negates your entire argument.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.  This extra scrutiny will be in the case that their passport says that they have visited one of the countries on the list.

[bigheadfred]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

You want moslem "no-go" zones all over this country. You want Sharia as the law of the land. That is great for you. Not for me.

[Frank Cannon]

You want moslem "no-go" zones all over this country. You want Sharia as the law of the land. That is great for you. Not for me.

Bingo. The muslim Brotherhoods open goal is to set up "settlements" in the US and push out all the other religions. They have done this worldwide with great effect. Hopefully we are addressing this issue in time and it is not too late.

[txradioguy]

You want moslem "no-go" zones all over this country. You want Sharia as the law of the land. That is great for you. Not for me.

No one wants that either.  It's affecting a group that Trump really needs on his side in the immigraiton fight..and his first act kicks them in the teeth.

This is hitting a section of the population that already feels screwed over by Obama letting the illegals jump ahead of them while they were doing things the right way...legal resident aliens..Green Card Holders.

Now the legal residents who did things the right way feel they are getting screwed again with Trumps blanket ban.

[bigheadfred]

No one wants that either.  It's affecting a group that Trump really needs on his side in the immigraiton fight..and his first act kicks them in the teeth.

This is hitting a section of the population that already feels screwed over by Obama letting the illegals jump ahead of them while they were doing things the right way...legal resident aliens..Green Card Holders.

Now the legal residents who did things the right way feel they are getting screwed again with Trumps blanket ban.

How is it a blanket ban? 109 people out of 300,000 were detained. Then let in. BFD.

[txradioguy]

How is it a blanket ban? 109 people out of 300,000 were detained. Then let in. BFD.

Look at how it's played in the media though.  It's the optics that count...the whole perception is reality thing.

We can say BFD here...but the media IS making it a BFD in the eyes of people that don't dig farther than the surface on any issue like this.

And they outnumber us greatly in the grand scheme of things.

[bigheadfred]

Look at how it's played in the media though.  It's the optics that count...the whole perception is reality thing.

We can say BFD here...but the media IS making it a BFD in the eyes of people that don't dig farther than the surface on any issue like this.

And they outnumber us greatly in the grand scheme of things.

True enough.   

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

How is it a blanket ban? 109 people out of 300,000 were detained. Then let in. BFD.

To me it's not the ban, which I partially support, it's the arbitrary abruptness of it, the moronic language of the eo itself. Also how it played right into the press' hands.

[Luis Gonzalez]

This seems pertinent to the discussion:

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 - "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

[Bigun]

This seems pertinent to the discussion:

Ya think???  Good to see ya Luis! 

[Frank Cannon]

To me it's not the ban, which I partially support, it's the arbitrary abruptness of it, the moronic language of the eo itself. Also how it played right into the press' hands.

I don't know. Doesn't this action call for the element of surprise to see what is actually going on?

[Luis Gonzalez]

I don't know. Doesn't this action call for the element of surprise to see what is actually going on?

It shouldn't come as a surprise to the people and departments that are tasked with executing the order.

There should have been instructions on what to do about people en route at the time of the implementation of the EO.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I don't know. Doesn't this action call for the element of surprise to see what is actually going on?

Just read that Mathis wasn't consulted and was furious.


I think a lot of people with gravitas might end up leaving and then well really be up a creek without a paddle.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Ya think???  Good to see ya Luis!

 

[Jazzhead]

I oppose the notion of a Imperial Presidency governing by edict.

Amen.   And doing it foolishly to boot.   I can't improve on NavyCanDo's conclusion on the first page - this has been a clusterf&%$.   

Every businessman knows, or ought to know, that you don't change policy without first thinking through the transition issues.   According to this morning's WSJ, Trump's head of Homeland Security, John Kelly, didn't even know the details of the order until the morning of the announcement.   The horror stories were entirely predictable.   Sowing chaos for its own sake may be imperial, but it's also creating blowback and enemies that this young Administration doesn't need.         

[Rivergirl]

That only 109 people were 'paused' is a trumpkin figure bearing no resemblance to reality.
And the pollsters are not asking if people with legal green cards and/or legal permanent residency should be banned.
They only asked about refugees from those seven countries,
The dishonesty is so rampant we must not allow ourselves to get exercised about anything without due diligence on our part.

[Jazzhead]

Just read that Mathis wasn't consulted and was furious.


I think a lot of people with gravitas might end up leaving and then well really be up a creek without a paddle.

Bingo.   Trump's becoming his own worst enemy.   

[Frank Cannon]

It shouldn't come as a surprise to the people and departments that are tasked with executing the order.

There should have been instructions on what to do about people en route at the time of the implementation of the EO.

Yeah and Obama's mother should have aborted him in the third trimester to save us all the misery, but she didn't. Woulda coulda shoulda. The EO was ordered and nothing real happened except for a bunch of Snowflake conventions at airports. Don't really care about foreign nations style being cramped.