Even Legal Green card holders from Trump-restricted countries may not be allowed into US

[NavyCanDo]

How is this personally affecting you?

In the history of diplorable acts on humanity, that remains the ugliest of questions.

[TomSea]

FAKE NEWS ALERT: Don’t Believe ANYTHING The Media Tells You About A “MUSLIM BAN”
http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/fake-news-alert-dont-believe-anything-the-media-tells-you-about-a-muslim-ban

Discusses.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Were green card holders ever vetted before?

[TomSea]

Were green card holders ever vetted before?

@Right_in_Virginia

Yes and how this is being reported is dubious:

Then, they claim that the ban is being applied to all “green card holders.” Yes, some people with green cards were temporarily detained and that was wrong. But the wording of the executive order specifically doesn’t apply to legal, permanent resident of the U.S. Green-card holders have been very thoroughly vetted already. More Fake News.
http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/fake-news-alert-dont-believe-anything-the-media-tells-you-about-a-muslim-ban

[HonestJohn]

The screwed up implementation aside, let's look at the real INTENT of the executive order.

Here are some FACTS about “TRUMP’S MUSLIM BAN.”

1. It’s not a “BAN.” It’s a 120 day suspension in the processing of visas, intended to give the government time to put in place better vetting procedures.

2. It’s not directed at “MUSLIMS.” It is directed at all individuals, Muslim or non-Muslim, from 7 designated countries. Approximately 90% of the world’s Muslims are totally unaffected.

3. The countries were not put on a list BY TRUMP. In fact, these countries were designated by the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

That aside, the implementation has been screwed up. Good intentions should not be confused with end results.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...

[HonestJohn]

If these countries cancel airplane orders or in turn ban travel to their countries, I will be happy to tell you.

Well Iran has already instituted a ban on US citizens visiting their country.

(Not that that's really all that much of an issue, but the threshold's now been crossed for others to follow. Especially so for middle eastern and Muslim countries.)

[HonestJohn]

Bannon fought and won against the NSA who WANTED green card holders EXCLUDED from the ban.
Waiting for the excusers to appear.

And you know this how?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

And you know this how?

I've seen it reported several places.

[HonestJohn]

I've seen it reported several places.

Link?  I've not seen it reported anywhere.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Link?  I've not seen it reported anywhere.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

[kevindavis007]

Turning my country into a farcical cluster f'k doesn't personally affect me?  Then why were you so hot and bothered when Obama did the same thing?

Cause it is OK that our guy is doing it.

[HonestJohn]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

There is nothing about the NSA in this article.  At best, there was this:

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.

But that's DHS, not NSA.

[bigheadfred]

In the history of diplorable acts on humanity, that remains the ugliest of questions.

Only because you find it necessary to make an emotional investment in that.

I am going by the countries on the list. if Saudi Arabia was on there I could express more concern.

[Fishrrman]

My position on muslims in The West is well-known in this forum.

Send 'em back.
Send 'em ALL back.

[Rivergirl]

Does anyone notice that PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are NOT included in the entry ban?
The two countries most aligned with Islamic jihadists who have attacked innocent Americans.

[txradioguy]

This is the only part of the ban I disagree with.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The EO is sloppy and not well thought out. I was worried about things like this coming out of a Trump WH.

Having said that, the green card re-entry thing doesn't bother me. The real possibility of green card holders traveling to the ME to receive terrorist training is real, so it needs to be addressed.

My ability to travel both internally and out of the country has been greatly impacted and inconvenienced by Islamic terrorism, so a greater inconvenience being showered on people making the choice to travel to Islamic countries seems fitting.

[kidd]

The EO is sloppy and not well thought out. I was worried about things like this coming out of a Trump WH.

Having said that, the green card re-entry thing doesn't bother me. The real possibility of green card holders traveling to the ME to receive terrorist training is real, so it needs to be addressed.

My ability to travel both internally and out of the country has been greatly impacted and inconvenienced by Islamic terrorism, so a greater inconvenience being showered on people making the choice to travel to Islamic countries seems fitting.

I'd agree with this.

The EO was implemented suddenly to keep radical Islamists from sneaking in at the minute. The reason why 109 people were temporarily detained was because they were already en route...it is inherently sloppy. It was other issues at the airports that made the optics worse.
But the intent of the EO was not fully executed. The countries should have included Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and maybe Egypt. This is the real sloppy part.

Agree with you about the green card, for the reasons you cite.

[Luis Gonzalez]

How is this personally affecting you?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Frank Cannon]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

So you got nothing but an old hackneyed saying.

[HonestJohn]

So you got nothing but an old hackneyed saying.

Sounds like you disagree with the 'old hackneyed saying'.

[Luis Gonzalez]

So you got nothing but an old hackneyed saying.

Do you oppose only those things that personally affect you?

[Oceander]

So you got nothing but an old hackneyed saying.

So now the truth is hackneyed?  Hitting the bottle early?

[Frank Cannon]

Do you oppose only those things that personally affect you?

Mostly, but I sure as shit don't give a rats about foreign nationals having to experience an interruption with their visit to my country. 

[Sanguine]

Does anyone notice that PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are NOT included in the entry ban?
The two countries most aligned with Islamic jihadists who have attacked innocent Americans.

Because they were the same countries in the 2015 0bama EO.  Countries with large numbers of refugees.  That's all that this addresses.