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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2017, 12:17:59 am »
Quote from: Bigun on January 30, 2017, 12:05:24 am
I am anything but a Trump defender but I most certainly am a TRUTH defender!  I fully intend to remain one of those for as long as I continue to suck air!

You can overlook the lies of the media all you want.  I will not!

I never pay much attention to a  media headline regarding a legal issue (or any other issue for that matter), it always make sense to me to go to the actual order or decision and read it and analyze it. But you keep up that truth seeking for those who read headlines only... :laugh:
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2017, 12:20:41 am »
Now if we could just get a Judge and/or some LEO's to get rid of all the protestors at BWI right now.
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #77 on: January 30, 2017, 12:24:24 am »
Quote from: montanajoe on January 30, 2017, 12:17:59 am
I never pay much attention to a  media headline regarding a legal issue (or other issue for that matter), it always make sense to me to go to the actual order or decision and read it and analyze it. But you keep up that truth seeking for those who read headlines only... :laugh:

Which is unfortunately a GREAT number these days!
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #78 on: January 30, 2017, 12:24:38 am »
Quote from: montanajoe on January 30, 2017, 12:17:59 am
it always make sense to me to go to the actual order or decision and read it and analyze it. But you keep up that truth seeking for those who read headlines only... :laugh:

That's what I did (finally).  Short and concise, just as I like it.  Trump jumped the line here.
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #79 on: January 30, 2017, 12:25:42 am »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 30, 2017, 12:20:41 am
Now if we could just get a Judge and/or some LEO's to get rid of all the protestors at BWI right now.

It's Baltimore...right?   
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #80 on: January 30, 2017, 12:26:46 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 30, 2017, 12:24:38 am
That's what I did (finally).  Short and concise, just as I like it.  Trump jumped the line here.

And, just as I have been saying all through this thread, will have minimal effect on the overall state of Trump's order!
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2017, 12:28:04 am »
Quote from: Wingnut on January 30, 2017, 12:25:42 am
It's Baltimore...right?

True...this is the post Baltimore riots PD we're talking about...my bad.
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2017, 12:30:35 am »
Quote from: montanajoe on January 29, 2017, 07:36:14 pm
Cry me a river boy, cry me a river...

Your concern over the headline of the story I referenced and not the text of the actual judge's order is telling..

If the Trump administration thinks for a minute they can ignore a Federal Judges Order with impunity they are dead wrong. I know Trump was to busy with his own personal Vietnam back in the fall of '73 to notice but Nixon's refusal to turn over the tapes was the beginning of the end of his presidency.

If Trump is wise he will listen to the top lawyers in the Justice department rather than his political advisers in dealing with this in the days to come...

Trump won the presidency in part because of the promises he made on several key issues; building a wall, stopping illegal immigration, repealing Obamacare and halting immigration from areas of known terrorists .... ALL are in the best interest of the citizen's of this country.  Those promises on immigration are ALL in the best interest of the SAFETY of the citizens and to maintain the sovereignty of this country. So far, more than any president that I can remember in a long time he is doing his darndest to keep those promises...meanwhile RINO's and DEMS are doing everything to ensure that he does not succeed as they know if he doesn't deliver he's done.

The way I see it if Trump doesn't deliver the GOP is dead in the water and we will lose our majority in 2018.  Most importantly, IF Trump cannot deliver on issues of immigration, we lose our sovereignty.
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2017, 12:33:04 am »
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2017, 12:33:14 am »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 30, 2017, 12:28:04 am
True...this is the post Baltimore riots PD we're talking about...my bad.

That beotch Mayor and the AD will not do a thing.   Oonly hope will be having Homeland swoop in and bust some liberal heads.
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #85 on: January 30, 2017, 12:33:25 am »
Quote from: libertybele on January 30, 2017, 12:30:35 am
Trump won the presidency in part because of the promises he made on several key issues; building a wall, stopping illegal immigration, repealing Obamacare and halting immigration from areas of known terrorists .... ALL are in the best interest of the citizen's of this country.  Those promises on immigration are ALL in the best interest of the SAFETY of the citizens and to maintain the sovereignty of this country. So far, more than any president that I can remember in a long time he is doing his darndest to keep those promises...meanwhile RINO's and DEMS are doing everything to ensure that he does not succeed as they know if he doesn't deliver he's done.

The way I see it if Trump doesn't deliver the GOP is dead in the water and we will lose our majority in 2018.  Most importantly, IF Trump cannot deliver on issues of immigration, we lose our sovereignty.

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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #86 on: January 30, 2017, 12:34:48 am »
Quote from: Bigun on January 30, 2017, 12:26:46 am
And, just as I have been saying all through this thread, will have minimal effect on the overall state of Trump's order!

But this is a self inflicted wound on Trump's part, any reasonably competent second year law student could have drafted the EO to include the language in the Judge's order and this would have been pretty much a non-issue for everyone but the looney left. Seems like Trump is relying on his political advisers rather than his legal staff to draft his EO's...
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2017, 12:43:59 am »
Quote from: montanajoe on January 30, 2017, 12:34:48 am
But this is a self inflicted wound on Trump's part, any reasonably competent second year law student could have drafted the EO to include the language in the Judge's order and this would have been pretty much a non-issue for everyone but the looney left. Seems like Trump is relying on his political advisers rather than his legal staff to draft his EO's...

That is true but it remains my view that WE should not allow - in fact help - the media to exploit the error!
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2017, 12:57:03 am »
Quote from: Bigun on January 30, 2017, 12:43:59 am
That is true but it remains my view that WE should not allow - in fact help - the media to exploit the error!

True dat!
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2017, 12:58:37 am »
Quote from: Bigun on January 30, 2017, 12:43:59 am
That is true but it remains my view that WE should not allow - in fact help - the media to exploit the error!

Basic difference of philosophy, in my view those on the right need to hold Trump's feet to the fire and not fall for the same hypocrisy as we saw with eight years of Obama.

Just saying they did it so we can too won't cut it and its not a sign of strong leadership. Trump and his supporters should just say we screwed up here and we will fix it instead of digging in thier heals and screaming Fake news, media bias etc... :shrug:
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2017, 01:19:22 am »
Quote from: montanajoe on January 30, 2017, 12:58:37 am
Basic difference of philosophy, in my view those on the right need to hold Trump's feet to the fire and not fall for the same hypocrisy as we saw with eight years of Obama.

Just saying they did it so we can too won't cut it and its not a sign of strong leadership. Trump and his supporters should just say we screwed up here and we will fix it instead of digging in thier heals and screaming Fake news, media bias etc... :shrug:

Like I said before, you are free to help the media pick the Trump administration apart if that is what you want to do but I'm not going to do that.  As I see it they don't need our help!
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2017, 01:19:29 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 30, 2017, 12:24:38 am
That's what I did (finally).  Short and concise, just as I like it.  Trump jumped the line here.

Where?  I just don't see an overstep. He is within bounds as far as I can see.  And I'm no Trumpster, BELIEVE ME.    **nononono*
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2017, 01:51:06 am »
Quote from: Drewsmum on January 29, 2017, 07:25:13 pm
The headline is misleading.  They only attempted to void a small portion. The effect was minute.
The headline is misleading because a judge cannot block anything.  He gives a ruling, and the ruling must be obeyed to be 'blocked'.

Wish some would stop giving more powers to these people than what they have.
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2017, 01:55:53 am »
Quote from: montanajoe on January 30, 2017, 12:17:59 am
I never pay much attention to a  media headline regarding a legal issue (or any other issue for that matter), it always make sense to me to go to the actual order or decision and read it and analyze it. But you keep up that truth seeking for those who read headlines only... :laugh:
I used to be in journalism and one can slant a headline or article by implication.

Case in point is the recent burning of a mosque.  Here's some headlines.

Hours after Trump signs Muslim ban, Texas mosque goes up in flames   https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.jm996shyw

Do you think this article's headline was being suggestive at all?
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2017, 02:07:20 am »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on January 30, 2017, 01:51:06 am
The headline is misleading because a judge cannot block anything.  He gives a ruling, and the ruling must be obeyed to be 'blocked'.

Wish some would stop giving more powers to these people than what they have.

This is a ruling from a Federal Court, the Court has original jurisdiction. Any Federal agency or Federal Employee violating the order of any federal court throughout the country would be in contempt. Trump and his administration will obey the order, after the political guys rile up the base the legal guys will sit down and have a come to Jesus moment with the administration. Something lawyers do all the time with difficult clients who don't understand the law and the ramifications of their proposed actions... :shrug:
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2017, 02:20:23 am »
Quote from: montanajoe on January 30, 2017, 02:07:20 am
This is a ruling from a Federal Court, the Court has original jurisdiction. Any Federal agency or Federal Employee violating the order of any federal court throughout the country would be in contempt. Trump and his administration will obey the order, after the political guys rile up the base the legal guys will sit down and have a come to Jesus moment with the administration. Something lawyers do all the time with difficult clients who don't understand the law and the ramifications of their proposed actions... :shrug:
Case in point:

Read this headline Judge in immigration case issues sweeping new order
http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/05/judge-in-immigration-case-issues-sweeping-new-order/

This more accurately reflects the power the judge has.  An order to block an order by Executive.

Guess what happened?  Obama and his minions did NOT obey the order, so the order was NOT blocked.

This is the correct headline to use for the order given by the judge in this case.
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #96 on: January 30, 2017, 02:26:16 am »
Quote from: Bigun on January 30, 2017, 01:19:22 am
Like I said before, you are free to help the media pick the Trump administration apart if that is what you want to do but I'm not going to do that.  As I see it they don't need our help!
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Re: Fed Judge blocks Trump Immigration Plan Nationwide
« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2017, 04:03:50 am »
Quote from: Drewsmum on January 30, 2017, 01:19:29 am
Where?  I just don't see an overstep. He is within bounds as far as I can see.  And I'm no Trumpster, BELIEVE ME.    **nononono*

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The federal government has already issued visas to these people, meaning that they have already been granted legal entry.  Trump can order a stop to visas being issued, but he can't arbitrarily deny one already issued without new evidence being introduced.
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