Trump reportedly insists healthcare replacement will have 'insurance for everybody'

[Just_Victor]

Source: FoxNews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/16/trump-reportedly-insists-healthcare-replacement-will-have-insurance-for-everybody.html

January 16, 2017
President-elect Donald Trump revealed in an interview with The Washington Post that he’s almost finished with a plan to replace ObamaCare and vowed to have “insurance for everybody.”

Trump declined to reveal the pertinent details of the new healthcare plan, but told The Post in the interview published Sunday night that drug companies will be forced to negotiate on Medicare and Medicaid prices. He also plans to fight pharmaceutical companies over drug prices.

The president-elect insisted that his plan for replacing the Affordable Healthcare Act is all but finished, and added that care would have “lower numbers, much lower deductibles.” He went as far to say that he’s ready to reveal it alongside Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan.

“It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon,” Trump said during the interview with the paper.

He added that he’s still waiting for Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., to be confirmed as his secretary for health and human services. A hearing for his confirmation has yet to be scheduled.

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[Mod1]

Moved to Politics

[montanajoe]

"We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

Hmmm...can't wait to see how the Trump supporters are going to spin this

Something along the lines of you can't believe anything he says..

[Oceander]

Frankenstein is still Frankenstein, whether it's Obamacare or Trumpcare. 

[libertybele]

Trump plans on going up against the pharmaceutical companies to lower drug prices.  This I've got to see. 

The hospitals and insurance companies are just as irresponsible as the pharmaceutical companies.  Years ago I went into the hospital and had surgery.  I received a detailed bill of services rendered and I noticed that the hospital charged the insurance company for the same surgery at the same cost on two different days! When I reported it to my insurance company they told me not to worry about it as the employer was self-insured!  With our current provider, we NEVER ever see a detailed bill.  All we see is the combined charges of the hospital and doctors and what they will pay.

[Silver Pines]

What, no Trump supporters have shown up to explain and defend this?  Where are they?

Are we supposed to lap up universal healthcare because it's Donald's version?

[jmyrlefuller]

"We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

And just how does he plan to do that?

The Democrats' philosophy is "if you don't need or want it, we'll still make you pay for it."

[skeeter]

Trump plans on going up against the pharmaceutical companies to lower drug prices.  This I've got to see. 

The hospitals and insurance companies are just as irresponsible as the pharmaceutical companies.  Years ago I went into the hospital and had surgery.  I received a detailed bill of services rendered and I noticed that the hospital charged the insurance company for the same surgery at the same cost on two different days! When I reported it to my insurance company they told me not to worry about it as the employer was self-insured!  With our current provider, we NEVER ever see a detailed bill.  All we see is the combined charges of the hospital and doctors and what they will pay.

My understanding is the single most effective way of lowering drugs prices is for the government to speed up it's approval process. Often investors in new technologies have to wait for years for a return on their investment because of hangups at the FDA, and when the drug is finally released they want the return immediately. So the cost curve ends up being quite steep.

Its the same with just about every other major cost in our lives - its government interference in some way shape or form that has inflated prices.

[Silver Pines]

Just saying...there's a pretty amusing thread elsewhere on this issue.  There's all kinds of convoluted fantasizing as to what Trump really meant.  And some of the reactions are pretty straightforward:  "Get the drug companies!"  "What's wrong with healthcare for everybody?"

[endicom]

One thing to consider is that what we had is gone. As with Islamic State, leftists make certain there is no return to what was.

If there is to be anything like a free market in health care then that will have to develop over time. And to be real, what we had before Obamacare was hardly free market.

[libertybele]

My understanding is the single most effective way of lowering drugs prices is for the government to speed up it's approval process. Often investors in new technologies have to wait for years for a return on their investment because of hangups at the FDA, and when the drug is finally released they want the return immediately. So the cost curve ends up being quite steep.

Its the same with just about every other major cost in our lives - its government interference in some way shape or form that has inflated prices.

Like I said its going to be interesting to see how Trump negotiates with the pharmaceutical giants. As for the FDA, I think they're a joke.  Too many drugs are on the market with terrible side affects that eventually require taking another drug to combat the side affects. Several drugs have been released to the public only to be recalled within a couple of years and as a result class action lawsuits are filed against the pharmaceutical companies.  For the most part, I still think it's  the insurance companies that drive up the cost.  As a simple example; my doctor lowered the dosage on my prescription from every day to every other day.  However, I pay the same amount for 15 pills as I do for 30 pills.  Why?  In the same aspect my insurance will reduce the cost if I have a prescription written for a 90 day supply, yet that rule doesn't apply to all medications. Why?  Then we have the other aspect of "tiering" drugs - 1st tier drugs have a normal co-pay, 2nd tier has a higher co-pay and 3rd tier isn't covered.  Why? 

[skeeter]

Like I said its going to be interesting to see how Trump negotiates with the pharmaceutical giants. As for the FDA, I think they're a joke.  Too many drugs are on the market with terrible side affects that eventually require taking another drug to combat the side affects. Several drugs have been released to the public only to be recalled within a couple of years and as a result class action lawsuits are filed against the pharmaceutical companies.  For the most part, I still think it's  the insurance companies that drive up the cost.  As a simple example; my doctor lowered the dosage on my prescription from every day to every other day.  However, I pay the same amount for 15 pills as I do for 30 pills.  Why?  In the same aspect my insurance will reduce the cost if I have a prescription written for a 90 day supply, yet that rule doesn't apply to all medications. Why?  Then we have the other aspect of "tiering" drugs - 1st tier drugs have a normal co-pay, 2nd tier has a higher co-pay and 3rd tier isn't covered.  Why?

Its a mess, no doubt.

But I have faith that the market, if allowed to work with a minimum o regulatory oversight by the government, would sort all of this out pretty quickly.

[Bigun]

"What's wrong with healthcare for everybody?"

Nothing at all and that is what we had prior to Obamacare!  People are apparently easily confused as to the difference between healthcare and health insurance!  They are NOT the same thing!

[Elderberry]

Trump plans on going up against the pharmaceutical companies to lower drug prices.  This I've got to see. 

The hospitals and insurance companies are just as irresponsible as the pharmaceutical companies.  Years ago I went into the hospital and had surgery.  I received a detailed bill of services rendered and I noticed that the hospital charged the insurance company for the same surgery at the same cost on two different days! When I reported it to my insurance company they told me not to worry about it as the employer was self-insured!  With our current provider, we NEVER ever see a detailed bill.  All we see is the combined charges of the hospital and doctors and what they will pay.

Last year my wife went to our doctor of over 25 years and was told they no longer accepted our insurance. So we found a new doctor and my wife went in as she was feeling puny. He had her take some blood tests. One of which was a Gene Variant test. My wife told him that she saw no need for that test, but he pressed her and  she finally agreed. When we got the bill, we saw that for that one test they billed our insurance for $22,000. Our insurance decided that $600.00 of that would be paid, but by us. My wife went back to that doctor and told them we wouldn't pay anything for a test that she didn't even want. I then found out that our old doc was still in our plan.

@libertybele

[DCPatriot]

"We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

Hmmm...can't wait to see how the Trump supporters are going to spin this

Something along the lines of you can't believe anything he says..

"Spin"?   Gimme a break.

The so-called 20 million that have insurance only because of the ACA is most likely 10 million.

They can be added to Medicaid.   Problem solved...in a sense that the rest of the country won't be bankrupted by a government mandated "tax" and outrageous monthly premiums and deductibles.

Let the free-market determine the costs...letting insurers cross State lines for customers.

[DCPatriot]

Nothing at all and that is what we had prior to Obamacare!  People are apparently easily confused as to the difference between healthcare and health insurance!  They are NOT the same thing!

Yep!   

[HonestJohn]

Nothing at all and that is what we had prior to Obamacare!  People are apparently easily confused as to the difference between healthcare and health insurance!  They are NOT the same thing!

From the article:

President-elect Donald Trump revealed in an interview with The Washington Post that he’s almost finished with a plan to replace ObamaCare and vowed to have “insurance for everybody".

[Bigun]

From the article:

President-elect Donald Trump revealed in an interview with The Washington Post that he’s almost finished with a plan to replace ObamaCare and vowed to have “insurance for everybody".

Health insurance is no guarantee of healthcare!  If you don't believe that just ask those who currently have policies but can't afford the deductibles!

The ONLY solution to this mess is for the government to get the hell out of the way and let the marketplace work its magic!

[Elderberry]

"We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

Hmmm...can't wait to see how the Trump supporters are going to spin this

Something along the lines of you can't believe anything he says..

Can I just say that I can't pay for it to get it?

[Silver Pines]

Nothing at all and that is what we had prior to Obamacare!  People are apparently easily confused as to the difference between healthcare and health insurance!  They are NOT the same thing!

@Bigun

Great point.

[Smokin Joe]

Nothing at all and that is what we had prior to Obamacare!  People are apparently easily confused as to the difference between healthcare and health insurance!  They are NOT the same thing!

QFT!

[Silver Pines]

From the article:

"Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."

Somebody else did this and I just...can't...quite...remember...who it was...

[HonestJohn]

Health insurance is no guarantee of healthcare!  If you don't believe that just ask those who currently have policies but can't afford the deductibles!

The ONLY solution to this mess is for the government to get the hell out of the way and let the marketplace work its magic!

You'll need to tell your Congressmen that, loudly and frequently.  Because Trump's going to make them follow *HIS* tune if we don't.

[Bigun]

What do you think would happen if the government got the hell out of the way and allowed everyone to buy a health insurance policy from wherever they liked tailored to their individual current circumstances and allowed them to change that coverage on an annual basis as their circumstances changed?

[skeeter]

Last year my wife went to our doctor of over 25 years and was told they no longer accepted our insurance. So we found a new doctor and my wife went in as she was feeling puny. He had her take some blood tests. One of which was a Gene Variant test. My wife told him that she saw no need for that test, but he pressed her and  she finally agreed. When we got the bill, we saw that for that one test they billed our insurance for $22,000. Our insurance decided that $600.00 of that would be paid, but by us. My wife went back to that doctor and told them we wouldn't pay anything for a test that she didn't even want. I then found out that our old doc was still in our plan.

@libertybele

A few years back I got an invoice for ~$40,000 for rotator cuff repair surgery. My doctor advised I disregard it and explained that it was just the starting point for negotiations with the insurance company. They settled at around $15k.

Somethings really wrong when numbers are presumably so far out of synch with what the market would bear, even as an opening bid.