Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History

[INVAR]

Idiot, I was just mentioning that Trump never got a majority of votes, not delegates. He failed to get one in both the primary and general.

Exactly correct on all counts.

He managed a plurality in vote totals to get the nomination.

He lost the Popular vote in the General and simply captured enough states to give him the EC edge over Clinton.

Trump has no mandate except in the eyes of his rabid worshippers.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

So you and the Establishment agree: no need for Primaries anymore - the Party will just select their nominee by decree.

The party has ALWAYS  been the one to select its nominee.

As far as primaries are concerned, what is your point?

We have never lived in a country wherein the popular vote decides the Presidential nominee, either in a party or in general election.

Are you advocating something different?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Idiot, I was just mentioning that Trump never got a majority of votes, not delegates. He failed to get one in both the primary and general.

Ok, I see what you meant, although the insult is not necessary.

My point is that it is a mute point on all fronts, as it is not the way elections work in this country.  If you advocate differently then you are supporting the erosion on how this country selects its highest official, and plays into the hands of the libs.

And BTW, I am far less of a Trump supporter than a supporter of the Constitution of this country.

[INVAR]

The party has ALWAYS  been the one to select its nominee.

As far as primaries are concerned, what is your point?

We have never lived in a country wherein the popular vote decides the Presidential nominee, either in a party or in general election.

Are you advocating something different?

The meme from the Trump Militant and Faithful has been that Trump "won" the primary and the General in a "landslide" of popular support and that Trump won "The majority of votes".

No he didn't win the "Majority" in either the primaries or the General.  He won a plurality in a primary field of 17 contenders and did not win the popular vote (a majority) in the general as Trump fanatics will insist to your face amidst the ridicule that their guy "won" and we who did not support him are "losers" - even when we supported actual Constitutional Conservatives in each trip to the polls last year.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The meme from the Trump Militant and Faithful has been that Trump "won" the primary and the General in a "landslide" of popular support and that Trump won "The majority of votes".

No he didn't win the "Majority" in either the primaries or the General.  He won a plurality in a primary field of 17 contenders and did not win the popular vote (a majority) in the general as Trump fanatics will insist to your face amidst the ridicule that their guy "won" and we who did not support him are "losers" - even when we supported actual Constitutional Conservatives in each trip to the polls last year.

I see now, you are just countering some wild claims by Trumpsters. It really makes no difference one way or the other.

That interests me, and should you too, much less than any attempt to undermine the way the Constitution declares the way this country selects its leaders.

Let them rant all they want.

[endicom]

The meme from the Trump Militant and Faithful has been that Trump "won" the primary and the General in a "landslide" of popular support and that Trump won "The majority of votes".

Memes are easily discovered with keyword searches. You lose.

[HonestJohn]

Exactly correct on all counts.

He managed a plurality in vote totals to get the nomination.

He lost the Popular vote in the General and simply captured enough states to give him the EC edge over Clinton.

Trump has no mandate except in the eyes of his rabid worshippers.

Yep.

[INVAR]

Memes are easily discovered with keyword searches. You lose.

TOS, FB, and a litany of assorted forums I peruse are rife with the finger-in-the-chest exclamations of that very meme still being flung in the faces of us Conservative *sore losers*.

[txradioguy]

The party has ALWAYS  been the one to select its nominee.

As far as primaries are concerned, what is your point?

We have never lived in a country wherein the popular vote decides the Presidential nominee, either in a party or in general election.

Are you advocating something different?

Reagan...at least in 1980 was most certainly not the candidate the GOP and the RNC wanted...they would have preferred Bush 41.

It was the voters in the Republican Party that wanted Reagan.

[Rivergirl]

It is quite clear that DT and his minions are using the KlintonDictionary.  They create their own meanings.....because they 'can'.

[INVAR]

I see now, you are just countering some wild claims by Trumpsters. It really makes no difference one way or the other.

That interests me, and should you too, much less than any attempt to undermine the way the Constitution declares the way this country selects its leaders.

Let them rant all they want.

We live in an age where perception is reality REGARDLESS of what the Constitution actually says.

In fact, Congress under the GOP has completely surrendered the Constitution to political precedent.

Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.

[bigheadfred]

It is quite clear that DT and his minions are using the KlintonDictionary.  They create their own meanings.....because they 'can'.

I misread that. I thought it said the KlingonDictionary. Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks...

[Wingnut]

I misread that. I thought it said the KlingonDictionary. Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks...

Head big red..  Watch out for klingons on uranus

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Reagan...at least in 1980 was most certainly not the candidate the GOP and the RNC wanted...they would have preferred Bush 41.

It was the voters in the Republican Party that wanted Reagan.

Well, news flash:  the Party selected Reagan, not the voters.

Does anyone yet not get that when a voter pulls the lever in the voting booth for a Presidential candidate, whether in the primary or the general, they do NOT actually vote for the candidate but for a delegate or elector instead?

Perhaps the voters influenced who the Party selected is what you wished to relay?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

We live in an age where perception is reality REGARDLESS of what the Constitution actually says.

In fact, Congress under the GOP has completely surrendered the Constitution to political precedent.

Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.

I happen to be one who believes in the rule of law.  The precedent you are describing seemingly says that to hell with the law, we are going into the toilet in any case, so go ahead and do anything one wishes as the law means nothing.

Bad way to approach the future, as there will be no hope for anything to change for the better.

And to say that Congress 'has completely surrendered the Constitution' is a tad dramatic too.

[bigheadfred]

I happen to be one who believes in the rule of law.  The precedent you are describing seemingly says that to hell with the law, we are going into the toilet in any case, so go ahead and do anything one wishes as the law means nothing.

Bad way to approach the future, as there will be no hope for anything to change for the better.

And to say that Congress 'has completely surrendered the Constitution' is a tad dramatic too.

Nah. It isn't dramatic enough. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Nah. It isn't dramatic enough. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate.

Care to relay exactly what it is you think we are 'debating'?

[INVAR]

I happen to be one who believes in the rule of law.

So what?

You and I are now a tiny minority that do.

The precedent you are describing seemingly says that to hell with the law, we are going into the toilet in any case, so go ahead and do anything one wishes as the law means nothing.

The last 8 years are a perfect case-in-point to that fact.

Bad way to approach the future, as there will be no hope for anything to change for the better.

Tell that to a populace that sees the government as god and people seeking high office as saviors and messiahs.

And to say that Congress 'has completely surrendered the Constitution' is a tad dramatic too.

Only if one willfully ignores the fruits of the last 4 years, plus.

Lip service is totally acceptable to conceal the reality of how an oligarchy actually rules.

[geronl]

That he won the GOP primary shows that the plurality of GOP primary voters WANTED him. 

Many were Democrats crossing over

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

We live in an age where perception is reality REGARDLESS of what the Constitution actually says.

In fact, Congress under the GOP has completely surrendered the Constitution to political precedent.

Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.

First step is appointing good judges to the court. I would say it's the only way.


It's why I held my nose and pulled the lever for Der Trumpenfuerer. I'm still hoping that wasn't a mistake.

[Cripplecreek]

Many were Democrats crossing over

The idiots bragged about the democrat crossovers.

[DCPatriot]

The idiots bragged about the democrat crossovers.

Except, 'this' idiot PREDICTED those democrat crossovers would be the key to canceling out "the idiots" who aligned with #nevertrump.

Damn...I'm good, ain't I?   

[jpsb]

Trump has no mandate except in the eyes of his rabid worshippers.

@INVAR

It's good to know that you are quite happy to continue the globalist Marxist status quo. I was told this was a conservative forum? Was I miss informed? Since when are conservatives opposed to a mandate of securing the border, reducing illegal immigration, deporting criminal illegals, negotiating better fairer trade deals, building up our military and fighting our real enemy, radical Islam? I would think any real conservative would be opposed to continuing Obamas' pro globalist, pro Muslim, anti-American big government policies. But that's just me.

[jpsb]

TOS, FB, and a litany of assorted forums I peruse are rife with the finger-in-the-chest exclamations of that very meme still being flung in the faces of us Conservative *sore losers*.

Reading your comments leads me to ask, if you are not a "sore loser" than what are you? You certainly sound like a sore loser to me. Are you also in favor of doing away with the electoral college? Are you sorry Hillary did not win?

[TomSea]

Yep; we don't know what percentage of people in '12 held back their vote for Romney; but I see some anti-Romneys discredit Putin; well, Mitt called it right on Russia. I certainly voted for Romney's strong foreign policy and we have in part, the mess we have today because Obama reigned.