Evidence Obama birth certificate 'fake' heading to Congress

[Sanguine]

Even if it is fake...at this point it won't change anything about what's happened the last 8 years.

Maybe not.  But, it could change what will happen in the future.

[the_doc]

Sure I do, but hard to blame them on this, if there is no evidence that he gave them anything.
Just that Congress will get the evidence soon doesn't mean much.

You have no evidence that Arpaio gave them no evidence. 

However, it is possible that Arpaio decided to wait until the new Congress is seated.

[the_doc]

Maybe not.  But, it could change what will happen in the future.

I would go even further:  It could RUIN the Democratic Party by revealing them to be a pack of America-hating crooks. 

[txradioguy]

I would go even further:  It could RUIN the Democratic Party by revealing them to be a pack of America-hating crooks.

That's been known about the Dems for several decades.

[Night Hides Not]

That's been known about the Dems for several decades.

If I had my druthers, I wish all of the unvarnished truth came out about the bank crisis from 2008. It would ruin both major parties by revealing them all to be subservient slaves to a banking/financial system that enriched itself while destroying the middle class.

[GrouchoTex]

You have no evidence that Arpaio gave them no evidence. 

However, it is possible that Arpaio decided to wait until the new Congress is seated.

 

True, but all we can go by is what Sheriff Joe has (or hasn't) said at this point.

[Sanguine]

That's been known about the Dems for several decades.

Maybe by you, me and doc, but I promise you there are a large number of intelligent, fairly well-informed people who would be shocked by this.

[the_doc]

That's been known about the Dems for several decades.

I would qualify your remarks by saying that it has been known by Republican conservatives for several decades.  Unfortunately, about half of all Democrats and about one-fourth of Republicans and Independents haven't known it.

Heck, the main reason why HRC lost the election is that a lot of Dems finally saw in the e-mail mess how crooked Hillary is.  Remember:  She was the darling of the Dems until recently.  Now, she's not such a darling.  But HRC's corruption is just the tip of an iceberg of corruption in the DNC.  That's why we need to pursue the Obama Birth Certificate issue.  If it is shown that Obama really was born in Kenya, the only Dems who will continue to be loyally stupid Dems are the Radical, Communistic Socialists--who make up only about one-third of their Party.

[Sanguine]

I would qualify your remarks by saying that it has been known by Republican conservatives for several decades.  Unfortunately, about half of all Democrats and about one-fourth of Republicans and Independents haven't known it.

Heck, the main reason why HRC lost the election is that a lot of Dems finally saw in the e-mail mess how crooked Hillary is.  Remember:  She was the darling of the Dems until recently.  Now, she's not such a darling.  But HRC's corruption is just the tip of an iceberg of corruption in the DNC.  That's why we need to pursue the Obama Birth Certificate issue.  If it is shown that Obama really was born in Kenya, the only Dems who will continue to be loyally stupid Dems are the Radical, Communistic Socialists--who make up only about one-third of their Party.

And, just for the record, I don't necessarily think he was born anywhere but in Hawaii.  I think it's also obvious that he has had different stories about his county of origin over the years, and I think that's where the story is.  Did he attend college as a foreign student?  Did he attend under another name?  What's the deal with his SSN?  And, why did he and the missus turn in their law licenses?

[GrouchoTex]

And, just for the record, I don't necessarily think he was born anywhere but in Hawaii.  I think it's also obvious that he has had different stories about his county of origin over the years, and I think that's where the story is.  Did he attend college as a foreign student?  Did he attend under another name?  What's the deal with his SSN?  And, why did he and the missus turn in their law licenses?

All those are really good questions, which makes it seem plausible that he may not have been born in the USA.
I have often wondered if the whole birther deal was just a smokescreen so people would not delve into these questions you have posed.

[Sanguine]

OK, naysayers, you still want to say we should just let it go?

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,244460.msg1194404.html#msg1194404

[Sanguine]

OK, naysayers, you still want to say we should just let it go?

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,244460.msg1194404.html#msg1194404

I suppose it could just as easily be saynayers.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

the best we could hope to get out of this after the 8 years of torture we have undergone is to have the proof verified and then his pension and/or other benefits stripped away as a fraudster.  He'll take refuge in some despot's country plotting revenge on the country he hates anyway.  At least it won't be here and at taxpayer expense.

[the_doc]

OK, naysayers, you still want to say we should just let it go?

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,244460.msg1194404.html#msg1194404

Wow, I haven't had time to read what he said in his "farewell address" until you posted that link.  What a Constitutionally destructive monster is our "Communism-Organizer-in-Chief"!

We'd better prosecute him if we can make the charges stick.  And I think we can.

[Fishrrman]

Wingnut wrote:
"Wagon master Ward Bond would have gotten it thu sooner."

Heh.
In search of films regarding Mormon pioneers, I just scrounged up a copy of John Ford's 1950 film "Wagon Master" and watched it a couple of days ago.

In the film, Bond wasn't actually the "wagon master". His character hired Ben Johnson for the job of guiding a small wagon train of Mormon settlers through southern Utah. It was only later, on tv, that Bond himself became the wagon master (in "Wagon Train", which I can remember!).

Not a bad film, with music by The Sons Of The Pioneers!

[Fishrrman]

Forget the birth certificate.
What I'd like to see "unsealed" are Anne Dunham's passport records!

[DB]

Forget the birth certificate.
What I'd like to see "unsealed" are Anne Dunham's passport records!

Or how about did Obama go to college as a foreign student in the US. The simple truth is, Obama has had plenty of time and willing helpers to adjust whatever records need adjusting at this point. Based on that, trying to find the truth now may well be impossible.

[JustPassinThru]

Or how about did Obama go to college as a foreign student in the US. The simple truth is, Obama has had plenty of time and willing helpers to adjust whatever records need adjusting at this point. Based on that, trying to find the truth now may well be impossible.

"Best Available Evidence."

We have his own words, on his own bios, and his applications to university and law school...he IDENTIFIED AS A FOREIGN STUDENT.  Absent other evidence to the contrary...not counting that crude forgery of a birth certificate that was INTENDED to be unmasked, to tease those who demanded proof...not counting that, the cumulative evidence is THAT HE WAS BORN OVERSEAS.

CONSTITUTIONALLY INELIGIBLE...given his mother's age, which was a consideration for automatic citizenship abroad of an American national.  At least one parent must be over the age of 21 and a citizen for six years.

Neither of those two miscreant parents met that criteria.

He had Ayers and some other radicals put feelers out, six years before his run, about the possibility of a challenge to the Constitutional requirement.  That was dropped; especially since it was part of the original document.  It proves...HE HIMSELF did not believe himself qualified.

You have it all here.  Factual, obvious violation; false claim of citizenship; VOLITION.  He KNEW.

DELIBERATE TREASON.

Hang the animal.

[goatprairie]

If I had my druthers, I wish all of the unvarnished truth came out about the bank crisis from 2008. It would ruin both major parties by revealing them all to be subservient slaves to a banking/financial system that enriched itself while destroying the middle class.

Except the middle class has not been destroyed. And the bank crisis was chiefly caused by the Clinton admin that forced lending institutions to create sub-prime loans which ultimately wrecked the economy. A number of lending institutions i.e. banks were guilty of passing off faulty loans to other institutions, but the facts remain it was the Dems who started the whole fiasco.

[DB]

Except the middle class has not been destroyed. And the bank crisis was chiefly caused by the Clinton admin that forced lending institutions to create sub-prime loans which ultimately wrecked the economy. A number of lending institutions i.e. banks were guilty of passing off faulty loans to other institutions, but the facts remain it was the Dems who started the whole fiasco.

Greenspan and Bush played their own major part in the "ownership society". They bent the rules of economics so that more people could "own" property. Good intentions outweighed the obvious consequences of those actions.