Donald Trump: I may not repeal Obamacare, President-elect says in major U-turn

[bilo]

Trump has the best positions because he has all of them. I say we give it a year and see what he's gotten done and then unleash the I told you so's if needed.

Great advise.

I don't think it will take a year to see if Trump's going to break any, or all, of his campaign promises more like 6 months. From what I've seen Trump wants to keep the pre-existing conditions excluded from policies and letting grown ups stay on their parents plans until they're 26. if that's all that remains of obamacare I will consider it a huge victory.

[LMAO]

What will be done with Obamacare by Trump and the Congress is now up in the air. Different stories are contradicting each other. It's possible that he was just being gracious to BHO at that meeting and didn't want to tell him he plans a full repeal.

So we will have to wait and see what happens but no question the Democrats will fight a repeal as to be expected.

[DB]

Great advise.

I don't think it will take a year to see if Trump's going to break any, or all, of his campaign promises more like 6 months. From what I've seen Trump wants to keep the pre-existing conditions excluded from policies and letting grown ups stay on their parents plans until they're 26. if that's all that remains of obamacare I will consider it a huge victory.

If preexisting conditions remains, the mandate to buy insurance will remain and at the point it is Obamacare with a new name.

[bilo]

If preexisting conditions remains, the mandate to buy insurance will remain and at the point it is Obamacare with a new name.

No, you can avoid insurance companies getting stuck with someone who decides to buy insurance only when they get sick by setting enrollment dates, or allowing companies to decline an individual who has not had insurance in the preceding 12-18 months. Put the responsibility on the individual not the business.

[DB]

No, you can avoid insurance companies getting stuck with someone who decides to buy insurance only when they get sick by setting enrollment dates, or allowing companies to decline an individual who has not had insurance in the preceding 12-18 months. Put the responsibility on the individual not the business.

Really? So if I get AIDs or any number of other very expensive diseases and pay out of pocket until the next enrollment date and then the insurance company pays for ever on after that... And that is some sort of fiscally sound plan?

[bilo]

Really? So if I get AIDs or any number of other very expensive diseases and pay out of pocket until the next enrollment date and then the insurance company pays for ever on after that... And that is some sort of fiscally sound plan?

Only an idiot would wait till they're really sick to think about getting health insurance if there is only an enrollment window from Nov.-Dec.

In your example, if the person gets AIDS in Feb. he won't have coverage until Jan the following year. It's a long time to go out of pocket and by the time the enrollment window opens he's probably on Medicaid.

[GAJohnnie]

It will help lessen the #Never Trumpers humiliations in the months ahead if they start READING the actual words not allowing themselves to be manipulated by headlines from the Junk Media

"Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced," Trump told the newspaper. "I told him I will look at his suggestions, and out of respect, I will do that."

[Idaho_Cowboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3cHchLRsAQ

[ABX]

Great advise.

I don't think it will take a year to see if Trump's going to break any, or all, of his campaign promises more like 6 months. From what I've seen Trump wants to keep the pre-existing conditions excluded from policies and letting grown ups stay on their parents plans until they're 26. if that's all that remains of obamacare I will consider it a huge victory.

It won't take six months either.
He made about 20 'day 1' promises and a 100 day plan.  I think we can give a bit of slack for the 'day 1' promises, maybe a week, but at the 100 day point, we'll have a perfect idea if his promises were real (then I'll say I was wrong) or if it was bullscat.

[Night Hides Not]

It won't take six months either.
He made about 20 'day 1' promises and a 100 day plan.  I think we can give a bit of slack for the 'day 1' promises, maybe a week, but at the 100 day point, we'll have a perfect idea if his promises were real (then I'll say I was wrong) or if it was bullscat.

IIRC, Trump never made any "promises". He had plenty of "suggestions", though.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-everything-i-say-suggestion-223157

Calling into "Fox & Friends," his final television hit of the morning, Trump was asked by co-host Brian Kilmeade about the response to his comment that his Muslim ban was "just a suggestion."

"Yeah. It was a suggestion. Look, anything I say right now, I'm not the president," Trump said. "Everything is a suggestion, no matter what you say, it's a suggestion."

"I feel strongly we have to do something about when you look at radical Islamic terrorism, we have a president that as you folks know very well, we have a president who won't use the term for the World Trade Center, he won't use the term. And we have to do something. And you're not going to do something about it until you know what the problem is," Trump said.

Trump also said he has spoken with Rudy Giuliani about heading a commission looking at immigration problems in the U.S.

[XenaLee]

I really doubt the genie can be put back into the bottle. Millions now receive "free" stuff and they won't easily give it up and we'll be told how unfair it is if it is taken away... That's why it was so important to take a stand before it went into affect - remember that government shut down?

Trump has already said his version is going to require coverage of preexisting conditions and therefore "buying" insurance will have to be mandatory as a result. Otherwise no one would buy "insurance" until after they need it, because they have to take you after the fact.
And never mind that constitution explicitly states what is in the federal government's domain and everything else is left to the states. Federally controlled one size fits all health care isn't there but big Note that that isn't insurance it all.
government Republicans don't care.

Of course it's not insurance. 

It's a mafiosa-style graft game....forcing people to purchase insurance they don't need...or wouldn't need, if not for the thugs pushing it on them.  It's a leftist wealth-redistribution scam/scheme.....forcing healthy Americans to fund, pay for and subsidize the non-healthy that can't afford "good insurance".  Cause....Medicaid just isn't good enough for "Holder's people" and all of the new illegal immigrants, dontcha know.  It's good enough for poor whiteys and for US vets, of course.

Also note that.... for it to be constitutional re: being a "tax" vs. being a penalty/fee.... it would have to be able to apply to ALL Americans equally (equal justice under the law).....which it clearly does not.  Certain "special" people can get a subsidy ...exempting them from having to pay for their own insurance OR pay the tax/fee/penalty/whatever.   It's about the most convoluted and unfair scheme the leftists in America have come up with yet.  But I'm sure they're working on even more, as we speak. 

The main problem I have with the left's version and idea of "equal rights"....is that in order for them to give special consideration to one group (their locked-in voting blocks of minorities and gays).... they must take away consideration and rights from another group (non-left-voting Americans).  With the left....the only rights that they consider equal are the ones that benefit them and their political party.

[XenaLee]

Only an idiot would wait till they're really sick to think about getting health insurance if there is only an enrollment window from Nov.-Dec.

In your example, if the person gets AIDS in Feb. he won't have coverage until Jan the following year. It's a long time to go out of pocket and by the time the enrollment window opens he's probably on Medicaid.

Only an idiot?  I think you vastly underestimate how many Americans are out there struggling, just to keep a roof over their heads and to put food on the table for their families...without having to go onto welfare.  When you're going from paycheck to paycheck with not much left over, the last thing you think of is spending a few thousand for "insurance" ....when you are, for all practical purposes....still relatively healthy and not "dying".  And keep in mind that a lot of serious diseases show no symptoms in the beginning stages.  That's why if the idiot left really cared about people's "health" they would have made it free to have complete physicals and diagnostics as a preventative measure.   But noooo....

[Oceander]

Great advise.

I don't think it will take a year to see if Trump's going to break any, or all, of his campaign promises more like 6 months. From what I've seen Trump wants to keep the pre-existing conditions excluded from policies and letting grown ups stay on their parents plans until they're 26. if that's all that remains of obamacare I will consider it a huge victory.

Why is that?  Those are two of the things that are breaking the bank premium-wise.

[Suppressed]

No, you can avoid insurance companies getting stuck with someone who decides to buy insurance only when they get sick by setting enrollment dates, or allowing companies to decline an individual who has not had insurance in the preceding 12-18 months. Put the responsibility on the individual not the business.

Then we'd be right back to where we started!  People dying in the streets or passing the cost on to others.

[r9etb]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-obamacare-repeals-latest-policies-quote-replacement-president-elect-a7412621.html

Donald Trump has said that he might not repeal Obamacare, perhaps his biggest campaign promise. The President-elect performed the apparent U-turn after his meeting with Barack Obama at the White House this week, he has said. Mr Trump is going to look at "amending" the Affordable Care Act, rather than completely repealing it, he told the Wall Street Journal.

Sigh.  Trump can "look at" anything he wishes.  Doesn't mean it will happen.

BTW, I got a leaked copy of Trump's "How To Be A President" curriculum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0

[LMAO]

Sigh.  Trump can "look at" anything he wishes.  Doesn't mean it will happen.

BTW, I got a leaked copy of Trump's "How To Be A President" curriculum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0

Since we really don't know what his plans are regarding ObamaCare, I guess we will left guessing. But it needs full repeal. No keeping the "popular parts" 

[XenaLee]

Since we really don't know what his plans are regarding ObamaCare, I guess we will left guessing. But it needs full repeal. No keeping the "popular parts"

Correct.   It needs to be fully repealed and then and only then replaced.  The mandatory crap "tax" or penalty is BS.  It is essentially forcing healthy people to subsidize unhealthy people.  And as such, it is unconstitutional.  I don't give a damn what Roberts and the left says otherwise.

[DB]

Since we really don't know what his plans are regarding ObamaCare, I guess we will left guessing. But it needs full repeal. No keeping the "popular parts"

Free shit is popular. Paying for it not so much...

[XenaLee]

Then we'd be right back to where we started!  People dying in the streets or passing the cost on to others.

You're being sarcastic here...right?   If not....where, exactly, have people been 'dying in the streets' due to lack of health care available for them?  I guess I missed that.   People that can't afford health insurance can (and do) get Medicaid.  Emergency rooms are full of people that can't pay. 

[LMAO]

Free shit is popular. Paying for it not so much...

It's popular if you can borrow or print the money. Of course, another generation has to pay for it and it becomes a drain on the economy and puts our currency at risk but that's minor compared to getting "free shit today"

[DB]

It's popular if you can borrow or print the money. Of course, another generation has to pay for it and it becomes a drain on the economy and puts our currency at risk but that's minor compared to getting "free shit today"

Absolutely. Printing money with no backing is stealth debt/bankruptcy. The last 8 years have been smoke and mirrors with printed money that no one talks about.

[Norm Lenhart]

You're being sarcastic here...right?   If not....where, exactly, have people been 'dying in the streets' due to lack of health care available for them?  I guess I missed that.   People that can't afford health insurance can (and do) get Medicaid.  Emergency rooms are full of people that can't pay.

All I know is almost 2 years ago the rules and regs of Obamacare had me in an ICU with a crash cart and family at my bedside to say good bye. Had Obamacare not existed with its 'we know better than your doctor what you need' bullshit, I'd never have been hospitalized in the first place.

[XenaLee]

All I know is almost 2 years ago the rules and regs of Obamacare had me in an ICU with a crash cart and family at my bedside to say good bye. Had Obamacare not existed with its 'we know better than your doctor what you need' bullshit, I'd never have been hospitalized in the first place.

No.  I meant BEFORE Obamacare.  It was designed to fail, so naturally people would be suffering since its' passage.

[Norm Lenhart]

No.  I meant BEFORE Obamacare.  It was designed to fail, so naturally people would be suffering since its' passage.

Before Ocare, the USA was widely acknowledged as having the best healthcare on the planet. No one died in the street that didn't choose to. The system had a lot of problems to be sure. But it worked most of the time. Anyone could walk in to an ER and be seen and Medicare/caid, for better or worse, was there as a safety net.