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If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 01:33:37 pm »
For those that prefer to read here is the heart of Chris's rant


Do you like way things are? The way they've been headed in this country? Do you like the continued destruction of our manufacturing base, and the jobs that went with it?

Do you like the uncontrolled illegal immigration? Do you like the string of stupid wars from Iraq to Libya to Syria? if you want to say yes to all of that, if you want to keep all this way it is, vote for Hillary Clinton. If you don't like the way things have been headed, you have have a chance to really shake the system to its roots. And if you wake up the day after the election, and if it is the same as it is today. If it's the same four, five, or eight years from now, remember you had the chance to change it but you were too dainty to do it.
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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 01:34:37 pm »
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Chris Matthews very good rant click to listen

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 01:39:50 pm »
This is interesting and sounds about right

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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 01:45:44 pm »
Really incredible.  Chris Matthews is so liberal we used to make fun of him for the things he says.  I remember when Republicans would never quote this MSNBC News Anchor.  Boy we have really gone liberal.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 01:50:03 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on November 02, 2016, 01:45:44 pm
Really incredible.  Chris Matthews is so liberal we used to make fun of him for the things he says.  I remember when Republicans would never quote this MSNBC News Anchor.  Boy we have really gone liberal.

Big love for big liberal Michael Moore from the Trump crowd.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 01:50:21 pm »
He is right. I've said that pointing out Hillary's corruption isn't enough. He needs to do what Reagan did in 1980 and ask people if they are happy with how things are going in the country then vote Hillary. If not, they can vote to try to change things. Hillary is the embodiment of all people hate about politics, politicians, and just the elite in general.
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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2016, 01:50:38 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on November 02, 2016, 01:45:44 pm
Really incredible.  Chris Matthews is so liberal we used to make fun of him for the things he says.  I remember when Republicans would never quote this MSNBC News Anchor.  Boy we have really gone liberal.

@Chosen Daughter

It is the message not the messenger.  Do you disagree with Chris Matthews message?
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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2016, 01:52:42 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on November 02, 2016, 01:39:50 pm
This is interesting and sounds about right



Thanks for the post.  This makes perfect sense and certainly lays out the guilt of both Clinton and Hussein. 
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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 01:57:14 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on November 02, 2016, 01:50:03 pm
Big love for big liberal Michael Moore from the Trump crowd.

NeverTrumpers always say we are a Trump cult, but notice how it is always about the person and with them (NTers) and never about the issues.  This Thrumper does not care about the person nearly as such as he cares about the issues. And Matthews hits it out of the ball park on that video.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2016, 02:04:44 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on November 02, 2016, 01:50:38 pm
@Chosen Daughter

It is the message not the messenger.  Do you disagree with Chris Matthews message?

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I guess it is the messenger, though, or more specifically, the lack of one.  How bad is it when you have people like Chris Mathews telling Trump what he should say because Trump himself is too stupid to get out a coherent message?
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2016, 02:07:23 pm »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on November 02, 2016, 02:04:44 pm
@jpsb

I guess it is the messenger, though, or more specifically, the lack of one.  How bad is it when you have people like Chris Mathews telling Trump what he should say because Trump himself is too stupid to get out a coherent message?

Plenty of republicans bear responsibility as well and conservatives who don't have the courage to acknowledge them will never do anything good for America.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2016, 02:14:05 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on November 02, 2016, 01:57:14 pm
NeverTrumpers always say we are a Trump cult, but notice how it is always about the person and with them (NTers) and never about the issues.  This Thrumper does not care about the person nearly as such as he cares about the issues. And Matthews hits it out of the ball park on that video.

Dude .....

It's the first damned thing Trump supporters do - attack the messenger, be it the author, talking head, or publisher. YOU do it.

That shit won't take a shine.
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2016, 02:16:41 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on November 02, 2016, 02:07:23 pm
Plenty of republicans bear responsibility as well and conservatives who don't have the courage to acknowledge them will never do anything good for America.

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That's right.  Falling in line and shutting up is the 2016 trend, but not for me.
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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2016, 02:17:37 pm »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on November 02, 2016, 02:04:44 pm
@jpsb

I guess it is the messenger, though, or more specifically, the lack of one.  How bad is it when you have people like Chris Mathews telling Trump what he should say because Trump himself is too stupid to get out a coherent message?
@CatherineofAragon

You and Matthews do have a point, Team Trump is not doing a good job of getting his message out. But then again Team Trump is fighting not only Hillary and the NeverTrumpers, but the entire MSM, Hollywood and just about all the big money too.

This is not your typical election.

But it is very strange when a liberal like Matthews can make a better case for the GOP nominee then the GOP nominee can. That I have never seen before.
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 02:25:53 pm »

Donald Trump is not a politician and that's why we're pulling for him. The Washington DC sewer has been backed up for decades. Time to clean it up. Godspeed to you Donald J Trump...
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 02:43:03 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on November 02, 2016, 02:17:37 pm
@CatherineofAragon

You and Matthews do have a point, Team Trump is not doing a good job of getting his message out. But then again Team Trump is fighting not only Hillary and the NeverTrumpers, but the entire MSM, Hollywood and just about all the big money too.

This is not your typical election.

But it is very strange when a liberal like Matthews can make a better case for the GOP nominee then the GOP nominee can. That I have never seen before.

@jpsb

It isn't "Team Trump's" fault.  The blame lies with the candidate alone.  He's the one who has to be kept in line like a child.

Fighting NeverTrumpers?  We aren't your problem.  We don't number in the millions and millions, but prospective voters do.  All along Trump has refused to reach out to the general electorate, preferring to play to his rallygoers and hardcore supporters. 

It's simple, really.  Mathews is able to make a case because he sees what everyone else sees.  It's obvious...to everyone except Trump.  The man is a horrible candidate.  He's ignorant of the issues and too undisciplined to campaign.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 02:45:03 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on November 02, 2016, 02:25:53 pm
Donald Trump is not a politician and that's why we're pulling for him. The Washington DC sewer has been backed up for decades. Time to clean it up. Godspeed to you Donald J Trump...

@aligncare

Donald Trump has been running for the office of the presidency for over a year now.  Whatever else he might be, he's also a politician.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2016, 02:52:47 pm »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on November 02, 2016, 02:45:03 pm
@aligncare

Donald Trump has been running for the office of the presidency for over a year now a few decades.  Whatever else he might be, he's also a politician.

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2016, 02:10:54 am »
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2016, 02:19:00 am »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on November 02, 2016, 01:45:44 pm
Really incredible.  Chris Matthews is so liberal we used to make fun of him for the things he says.  I remember when Republicans would never quote this MSNBC News Anchor.  Boy we have really gone liberal.
I sure wouldn't.  I would reject what Chris Matthews says without an after thought...same for Mike Tyson, and David Duke.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2016, 02:25:09 am »
So now a sneering spittle flinging drunk is supposed to be our voice of reason in this election?

The same Chris Matthews who failed to disclose his wife was running for office against a Republican he'd slander on his show?

Chris Matthews...Tingles...who was unabashedly in the tank for Bernie?

Sorry not buying this for one second.

Just shows the hypocrisy and desperation of the Trumpkins to even consider using him as a credible source.

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2016, 02:25:58 am »
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I sure wouldn't.  I would reject what Chris Matthews says without an after thought...same for Mike Tyson, and David Duke.

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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2016, 02:28:46 am »
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Shareable: TRUMP'S BUSINESS IS STIFFING PEOPLE & THE GOV'T: HE NEVER WAS A POPULIST. JUST. A. CON. MAN. Atlantic City proved that Trump was a spectacularly bad businessman (casinos, IPO) in the booming 1990s. It also proved that he is a soul-less ruthless con artist. Atlantic City made Trump a billionaire in the most perverse way. ====== HIGHLIGHT LINKS ========== - "Donald Trump Used Legally Dubious Method to Avoid Paying Taxes" (New York Times, 10/31/2016): http://goo.gl/54W3zg - "Art of the Steal: This Is How Trump Lost $916M and Avoided Tax" By David Clay (Daily Beast, 10/3/2016): http://goo.gl/75gEVW - "The story of Donald Trump's Atlantic City comeback is even worse than his collapse" By Matthew Yglesias (Vox, 10/7/2016): http://goo.gl/g9GbTJ - "Just Ask the Americans who invested in a Trump IPO" (DailyKos, 10/7/2016): http://goo.gl/cxha5V =============================== The Nutshell Summary [2b] of his AC foray [2c] is this: - At around the same time as his Trump Tower project (court case involving abusing undocumented Poles), he partnered with Harrahs for his first casino; - He angled for another casino, at which time Harrah just sold its share of the first; - Claiming he knows casinos b/c of Harrahs, he tripled his casinos (Taj Mahal), personally guaranteeing $830B with the rest at junk rate loans from banks. - As expected, his 3 casinos cannibalized each other; - His mgmt team died in a plane crash; - Within a year, he needed restructuring; with the NJ gaming authority backing him and the Trump Tower case where he was stiffing for years starving Poles for pennies, the banks relented (3 zombie casinos with $5.4M in Trump yearly stipend); It should be clear here that he is bad at casinos. [2c] [2b] He lobbied Congress for Section 108 (real estate losses forgiven by banks not recognized as income for as long as depreciation in the future up to $1B is forgone). Now comes the Ruthless part. [2a] - He had his banks forgive $916M in 1995 - He elected to use Section 108. - He also elected to use Section 1231 where NOLs are spread over 1993-2010. - Knowing that he doesn't have depreciation, meaning his income from 1995-2010 could faster exceed the spread NOLs, he created a public company and issued an IPO, with the casinos as the underlying asset. - Moms/pops bought the IPO; he effectively offloaded the casinos to the public company; - The public company got loans to pay for his $830B guarantee, gave himself a salary, bought from his companies, bought one of his buildings that was overpriced by $100M. - Trump became a billionaire due to tax free accumulation of 12 years worth of income (from the NOLs from 1993-2005), plus his dirty tricks money within the public company. He became a *billionaire* by *monetizing* his losses and *deliberately stiffing* his bankers, contractors and *moms/pops who lost everything.* His rate of return from 1990-2016 is beaten by S&P. In the 1990s, when IPOs made money, his lost. This is the *real* Donald Trump. He has *no business* being POTUS. ===== In the Second POTUS Debate, Trump unequivocally admitted to having paid zero taxes for 18 years by monetizing the $916M.
  • http://goo.gl/wzilE4 "Then Trump was asked about his income tax returns that he has refused to make public."
  • http://goo.gl/wzilE4 "“You have not answered, though, a simple question,” Cooper said. “Did you use that $916 [million] loss to avoid paying federal income taxes?”"
  • http://goo.gl/wzilE4 "“Of course I do,” Trump replied gleefully. “Of course I do.”"
  • http://goo.gl/wzilE4 "Hillary had complained about “people like Donald who paid zero in taxes, zero for our vets, zero for our military, zero for health and education — that is wrong.”"
  • http://goo.gl/wzilE4 "“See?” Trump countered. “I understand the tax code better than anybody that’s ever run for president!”"
  • (This is a lie. [1]) http://goo.gl/wzilE4 So, basically, Trump admitted to all of [2]: - "The $916 million loss claimed on Trump's 1995 return ACCOUNTED for 1.9% of all the net operating losses claimed by individual income taxpayers in the US in 1995." (such a genius [2d]) - Trump CREATED a stock scheme that ended up pushing all his losses to stockholders (moms/pops), bankers and contractors. - His TAX PLAN does not close his loophole (bigger than the carried interest loophole). He gives himself the 15% pass through tax rate. And he gives his kids zero estate tax. - The reason why he's billionaire-rich and not millionaire-rich is because he MONETIZED his 1995 counterparties' (bankers, stockholders, contractors) losses. Which is the future value of $916M. - Trump, the scumbag, was aided by another scumbag, Roy Cohn (Joe McCarthy) [2e] - The PERIOD includes 9/11 through 2013. He could have money buying low in the housing crash. - Trump used loopholes only available to active real estate property developers. ===== PUTTING IT INTO PERSPECTIVE "“Here’s how much money he had,” Eichenwald continued. “You know this thing about a $1 million loan is an absolute lie. He had $200 million at one point in 1982, and if Trump had done nothing but stick the money in a stock index fund and mow the lawn until today, he would be worth almost $15 billion. His lie about him being worth $10 billion is based on pretending he has no bank dept. He is worth about $3 billion. What that means is Donald Trump’s business genius lost him somewhere in the realm of $12 billion.”" [3] http://goo.gl/68xNPD "‘And, in the process of losing $12 billion, he left millions of victims and destruction everywhere,” he concluded." [3] http://goo.gl/68xNPD LINKS
  • "Trump digs a hole in one" (Politico, 10/10/2015): http://goo.gl/wzilE4 [1] "On CNN, Trump's Former Accountant Debunks Claims That Trump "Handled The Tax Code Brilliantly" > Jack Mitnick: Trump Had "Virtually Zero" Involvement With His Tax Returns Which Were "Entirely Created By Us"" (Media Matters, 10/5/2016): http://goo.gl/t7KjN6 [2a] "How successful is Donald Trump? And how did he do it? (A: He underperformed the S&P 500 (5.4% v 9.5%) from 1990 to 2016, by stiffing everyone (bankers, contractors, mom/pop investors))": http://goo.gl/QoUftX [2b] "How Trump lost $916M, paid no taxes over 18 years, stiffed everyone, and still made money": http://goo.gl/Mmc5GR [2c] "DONALD TRUMP'S MANY BUSINESS FAILURES, EXPLAINED" By Kurt Eichenwald (Newsweek, 8/2/2016): http://goo.gl/HKChCE [2d] "On CNN, Trump's Former Accountant Debunks Claims That Trump "Handled The Tax Code Brilliantly" > Jack Mitnick: Trump Had "Virtually Zero" Involvement With His Tax Returns Which Were "Entirely Created By Us"" (Media Matters, 10/5/2016): http://goo.gl/t7KjN6 [2e] “‘He Brutalized For You’: How Joseph McCarthy henchman Roy Cohn became Donald Trump’s mentor.” (Politico, 04/8/2016): http://goo.gl/l9R50W [3] "Kurt Eichenwald: Trump’s ‘business genius’ cost him $12 billion — and created ‘millions of victims’" (Raw Story, 10/22/2016): http://goo.gl/68xNPD
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Re: If You Don't Like The Way Things Are Headed Then Vote For Me
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2016, 02:30:16 am »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on November 02, 2016, 02:43:03 pm
@jpsb

All along Trump has refused to reach out to the general electorate, preferring to play to his rallygoers and hardcore supporters.

 :facepalm2:   Where do you think his "rally-goers" and "hardcore" supporters come from if not the general electorate???

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The man is a horrible candidate.  He's ignorant of the issues and too undisciplined to campaign.

Have you been in a coma @CatherineofAragon ?  This is the only reason you could have missed the sheer number of rallies, speeches and interviews Trump has given during this campaign.  The one who sounds "ignorant" here, sorry to say, is you---both about the man, his energy, and fight for the office .... AND the issues. 

Honestly, the rubbish you post sometimes is just astonishing.   **nononono*
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