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The Republican Mandate on Election Day: Diversify or Die
« on: October 31, 2016, 02:17:03 pm »
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The Republican Mandate on Election Day: Diversify or Die

Tim Miller
10/31/2016

On one side, there’s Donald Trump’s flaming circus. On the other, there are politicians trying to evolve the party. Who will win out in November?


Next week when voters in Miami go to the polls, there will be two different Republican Parties on the ballot.
At the top of the slate will be Donald Trump, who’s running on a platform of sympathizing with white grievance, instigating mass deportation, shrinking America’s role in the world, closing borders and reducing trade, ignoring climate change, and warming the cockles of anyone inclined to believe a conspiracy about the global elites.

A few lines down the ballot will be Carlos Curbelo, a 36-year-old Cuban American running for a second term in Congress. Curbelo envisions a Republican Party as diverse as the country and his district, which runs from Key West through Miami-Dade County and Everglades National Park. Curbelo argues for America to continue its role as the world’s most indispensable nation. He values a country that is welcoming to immigrants and oppressed people throughout the world. He supports free trade and has actively campaigned on the need to address the effects of climate change that South Florida residents are seeing up close. In a recent interview, Curbelo cited his grandmother’s wisdom, “Los extremos son malos” — the extremes are bad. In July, he sponsored the DREAM Act that would allow those brought into America illegally as children to become citizens. In filing the bill, he said:

“There are many young immigrants in our country who came involuntarily with their families as minors. They have grown up with our own kids and attended American schools … These are undoubtedly America’s children.”

A far cry from “rapists and murderers.” In fact, if an alien unfamiliar with U.S. politics listened to back-to-back speeches by Trump and Curbelo, you’d be hard-pressed to convince it these two men come from the same universe, forget the same political party.

So the question that will face us Republicans after the election is clear. Which path should we choose, Curbelo’s or Trump’s?


A two-party system will always face internal factions and disputes, and we Republicans have long had our own internal push and pull between conservative elites and a populist “new right.” Matthew Continetti recently wrote a historical tour-de-force charting the history of the populist uprising within the party that highlights the roots of this tension.

But as intense as some of these past intra-party fights have been, there has never been a divide as stark as the one there is today about the direction of the Republican Party. In 2012, I was part of the team that wrote the RNC Growth & Opportunity Project — you might be more familiar with the liberal media’s preferred title: the GOP Autopsy. The report’s recommendations were so obvious they bordered on uninteresting. Upgrade the party’s data and digital operations, invest more in diverse communities, and offer a message that appeals to those communities.

The primary suggestion under messaging was fix the Republicans’ “don’t care” problem and recognize that America looks different than it did in 1950. Trump ran a campaign that’s central character trait was insulting others with a motto — “Make America Great Again” — that essentially called for a return to 1950.

In the area of grassroots organizing, we recommended more full-time GOP offices in minority communities, and, to the RNC’s credit, they followed up on that and made strides in an area we Republicans once mocked — “community organizing.” But organizing doesn’t work if the guy at the top of the ticket is rhetorically spitting at those you are trying to recruit.
I have to imagine that a statistician or a management consultant would look at the #twopaths forward for the party and not really understand why there is debate. The object is simple: get a majority share of the market. Curbelo’s path appeals to the growing part of the pie (nonwhite voters, young voters), while Trump’s path is maximizing market share in the shrinking part (white, older voters). No abacus needed.

But as we have seen, Donald Trump looked at the growth route and rejected it, deciding to use the GOP Autopsy as Trump Tower toilet paper. And he has prevailed. So any assessment of the path forward following his inevitable defeat next week has to take into account the factors that led to that success.

But those who are in the shrinking part of the pie — older, culturally conservative white voters who are more likely to respond to a nativist message — have a stranglehold on key parts of the party infrastructure. First, the presidential primary process is made up largely of these voters. The people who vote in the GOP Iowa Caucuses, for example, are overwhelmingly the same demographic year after year. There is always talk of which candidate can bring in new voters, but caucusing is habitual; and the only person in either party who has brought new voters to caucus with success was a uniquely suited candidate — President Obama in 2008.

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Re: The Republican Mandate on Election Day: Diversify or Die
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2016, 02:18:57 pm »
White grievance vs. non-white grievance... why is one better than the other?

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2016, 02:20:54 pm »
The idea of a GOP that appeals to all races is nice in theory, but it's just never happened. Even in the days of Reagan.


As long as the Democrats are the party of victim politics, people will look to an alternative, which will be painted as "racist" by the media.

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2016, 02:29:36 pm »
Diversify or die.  That's a good motto for the current GOP, and is spot on.  A little garden weeding is needed as well.

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2016, 02:30:38 pm »
   My distant cousin Rep. Curbelo has been somewhat of a disappointment to me, whereas DJT is a major disappointment.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2016, 02:31:51 pm »
Diversify or die.  That's a good motto for the current GOP, and is spot on.  A little garden weeding is needed as well.


The GOP has had people of all races and sexes (and orientations) running, they've nearly all gone down in flames. There's almost no advantage.

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2016, 02:33:51 pm »

The GOP has had people of all races and sexes (and orientations) running, they've nearly all gone down in flames. There's almost no advantage.

You know why they go down in flames, don't you?

If Trump has revealed anything, he's shown how deep prejudice and racism runs in the GOP ranks.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2016, 02:35:25 pm »
The idea of a GOP that appeals to all races is nice in theory, but it's just never happened. Even in the days of Reagan.


As long as the Democrats are the party of victim politics, people will look to an alternative, which will be painted as "racist" by the media.

And as long as the GOP rank and file view minorities as "them" and blame them for the problems that affect America, they'll deserve that moniker.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2016, 02:35:29 pm »
You know why they go down in flames, don't you?

If Trump has revealed anything, he's shown how deep prejudice and racism runs in the GOP ranks.


We had a guy here running, open gay GOPer, in a very liberal district. Got less than 30% of the vote or something.


It makes no difference. Believing it will will make no difference.

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2016, 02:38:54 pm »
And as long as the GOP rank and file view minorities as "them" and blame them for the problems that affect America, they'll deserve that moniker.


 :shrug:  To me you sound like a Democrat. Everyone and everything is racist.


Jindal, alan keyes, mia love, herman cain.... diverse candidates who went nowhere.


GOP should be the party of personal responsibility. that is the party I know. Even for poor whites (Trumponista's big mistake).


The Truman aphorism is right, when you give people the choice between a Democrat and a Democrat, they'll choose a democrat every time. It's true.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2016, 02:40:04 pm »
The idea of a GOP that appeals to all races is nice in theory, but it's just never happened. Even in the days of Reagan.


As long as the Democrats are the party of victim politics, people will look to an alternative, which will be painted as "racist" by the media.

You have to appeal to the conservatives across every demographic.   Some demographics would be a net negative to try to woo, so why bother?

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2016, 02:45:36 pm »

 :shrug:  To me you sound like a Democrat. Everyone and everything is racist.


Jindal, alan keyes, mia love, herman cain.... diverse candidates who went nowhere.


GOP should be the party of personal responsibility. that is the party I know. Even for poor whites (Trumponista's big mistake).


The Truman aphorism is right, when you give people the choice between a Democrat and a Democrat, they'll choose a democrat every time. It's true.

Mia Love is in Congress.  Alan Keyes and Herman Cain are frauds.

Bobby Jindal is too much of a policy wonk and is proud to show it.   The people of Louisiana turned against him because he cut the state budget to the bone (including to state universities like LSU) and they didn't like that at all.

We have to start somewhere.  Trump has set back outreach to minorities dramatically. 

There is no hope for the GOP as a party with the Trumpkins in charge. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2016, 02:47:59 pm »
Appealing to ethnicities & group identities over principles and policies leads to racism and every other kind of ism, and the democratic party excels at that.

The GOP needs to stick to ideas and leave the race baiting to the left.

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2016, 02:49:43 pm »
Trump has set back outreach to minorities dramatically. 


 :shrug:  I don't see any evidence of that, really. From his rallies that doesn't seem to be true. The diversity is pretty amazing really. Of course, this is not to say he's broadly popular among minorities.


But the converse statement, that's he's set back outreach to minorities, where was there any successful outreach to begin with?


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There is no hope for the GOP as a party with the Trumpkins in charge.


This I don't disagree with. But again, the reason he's even in there is due to WTA primaries. He never got a majority of the primary vote.


Put up all the minority and women and gay candidates you want, scientifically speaking, it makes almost no difference in the election returns that I can see.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2016, 03:04:08 pm »
Appealing to ethnicities & group identities over principles and policies leads to racism and every other kind of ism, and the democratic party excels at that.

The GOP needs to stick to ideas and leave the race baiting to the left.

It's not a matter of race baiting, it's a matter of figuring out how to explain republican principles and ideas to people who may need to hear them in different ways, and who don't understand all of the shorthand code words traditional republicans use.  It's also a matter of taking the time and effort to move outside of traditional republican neighborhoods and take the message to new neighborhoods - take the fight to traditional democrat neighborhoods instead of just holing up where we're comfortable.  And it's also about putting more thought into ones choice of words, understanding that words can have different connotations for different people, and making sure you don't inadvertently say something that comes across as stupid.  Sort of like the old apocryphal story about the Chevy Nova and why it wouldn't sell in Spanish-speaking countries:  in English "nova" means a brilliant star; in Spanish "nova" when spoken sounds like "no va" which means "it doesn't go."  Why, so the story goes, would anyone want to buy a car that advertised that it wouldn't run well?  Let's stop saying "it won't go" when we really mean "it's a brilliant star" and let's be wise enough to know the difference. 

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It's not a matter of race baiting, it's a matter of figuring out how to explain republican principles and ideas to people who may need to hear them in different ways, and who don't understand all of the shorthand code words traditional republicans use.  It's also a matter of taking the time and effort to move outside of traditional republican neighborhoods and take the message to new neighborhoods - take the fight to traditional democrat neighborhoods instead of just holing up where we're comfortable.  And it's also about putting more thought into ones choice of words, understanding that words can have different connotations for different people, and making sure you don't inadvertently say something that comes across as stupid.  Sort of like the old apocryphal story about the Chevy Nova and why it wouldn't sell in Spanish-speaking countries:  in English "nova" means a brilliant star; in Spanish "nova" when spoken sounds like "no va" which means "it doesn't go."  Why, so the story goes, would anyone want to buy a car that advertised that it wouldn't run well?  Let's stop saying "it won't go" when we really mean "it's a brilliant star" and let's be wise enough to know the difference.


Waste of time IMO. People will not want to hear a message of self-reliance in the ghettos. They want to know what government can do for them. If they already believed in self-reliance, they'd be living in the suburbs.


Just concentrate on:


1) The suburbs
2) nominating truly likable candidates. This means going outside the ideologue echo chamber to find anyone who can run who is likable and personable.

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2016, 03:10:27 pm »
It's not a matter of race baiting, it's a matter of figuring out how to explain republican principles and ideas to people who may need to hear them in different ways, and who don't understand all of the shorthand code words traditional republicans use.  It's also a matter of taking the time and effort to move outside of traditional republican neighborhoods and take the message to new neighborhoods - take the fight to traditional democrat neighborhoods instead of just holing up where we're comfortable.  And it's also about putting more thought into ones choice of words, understanding that words can have different connotations for different people, and making sure you don't inadvertently say something that comes across as stupid.  Sort of like the old apocryphal story about the Chevy Nova and why it wouldn't sell in Spanish-speaking countries:  in English "nova" means a brilliant star; in Spanish "nova" when spoken sounds like "no va" which means "it doesn't go."  Why, so the story goes, would anyone want to buy a car that advertised that it wouldn't run well?  Let's stop saying "it won't go" when we really mean "it's a brilliant star" and let's be wise enough to know the difference.

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2016, 03:11:29 pm »

 :shrug:  I don't see any evidence of that, really. From his rallies that doesn't seem to be true. The diversity is pretty amazing really. Of course, this is not to say he's broadly popular among minorities.


But the converse statement, that's he's set back outreach to minorities, where was there any successful outreach to begin with?



This I don't disagree with. But again, the reason he's even in there is due to WTA primaries. He never got a majority of the primary vote.


Put up all the minority and women and gay candidates you want, scientifically speaking, it makes almost no difference in the election returns that I can see.

When you refer to Mexicans as "rapists, the worst people" and imply that voter fraud only happens in black neighborhoods, you're not going to appeal to minorities.

It's not about minority candidates.  It's about not using language that implies "we white folks are better than you. YOU are the problem."   
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2016, 03:15:01 pm »

Waste of time IMO. People will not want to hear a message of self-reliance in the ghettos. They want to know what government can do for them. If they already believed in self-reliance, they'd be living in the suburbs.


Just concentrate on:


1) The suburbs
2) nominating truly likable candidates. This means going outside the ideologue echo chamber to find anyone who can run who is likable and personable.

When someone who is "likable" is put forward and attempts to bridge the gap with minorities, the hair-on-fire extremists label him a squish and try to write him out of the party, i.e., Paul Ryan..
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2016, 03:15:19 pm »
It's not about minority candidates.  It's about not using language that implies "we white folks are better than you. YOU are the problem."


The media is going to twist words around anyway to imply that.  :shrug:  No matter what.


Only alternative is to try to out-Democrat the Democrats. And see my Truman quote for the wisdom of that.


You don't know everything Sinky, even though you think you do. You sound like you've swallowed the media lie, hook line and sinker (pun!).

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2016, 03:16:31 pm »
When someone who is "likable" is put forward and attempts to bridge the gap with minorities, the hair-on-fire extremists label him a squish and try to write him out of the party, i.e., Paul Ryan..


This I agree with you with. The "principled NeverTrumpers" are as dumb as the Trumpists on this point though.

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2016, 03:29:35 pm »

The media is going to twist words around anyway to imply that.  :shrug:  No matter what.


Only alternative is to try to out-Democrat the Democrats. And see my Truman quote for the wisdom of that.


You don't know everything Sinky, even though you think you do. You sound like you've swallowed the media lie, hook line and sinker (pun!).

 You know, friend, you are so engaging and I enjoy back-and-forth with you, until you throw out one of your slams.  I don't know why you do this.  It just sours me on wanting to continue the dialogue.

I don't think I know everything.  What a silly thing to say.  I'm just throwing out my opinion.

Let's try to keep things out of the ditch, OK?
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2016, 03:30:58 pm »

This I agree with you with. The "principled NeverTrumpers" are as dumb as the Trumpists on this point though.

Another slam.  You can't resist poking me in the eye.
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2016, 04:01:20 pm »
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return to conservatism or die

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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2016, 04:08:44 pm »


Jindal, alan keyes, mia love, herman cain.... diverse candidates who went nowhere.


Mia Love is a member of Congress, hardly no where. Jindal had a successful run as Governor of Louisiana.