Put Christian values on hold until after the election – Jerry Falwell Jr.

[roamer_1]

I will answer in their defense.

They believe that they are following Christ, but that Trump is their choice for President.  That is all.  Read no more into it.  Now I would quibble with them on that.  To follow Christ is to obey him, to love what he loves and hate what he hates.  They are not doing that.  I do not like it when people over define it and accuse them of choosing Trump over Christ as their savior.  In a few kooky cases that may be true.  Mostly it is not.  There are some good Christians who are merely making stupid political decisions to support a creep.  Their sin in one of compromise.

Criticism would be a lot more constructive if we all did it with more precision.

Pretty good answer. I would add in that quite a few are, for want of nicer terms, low-info crowd followers... Sheep.
BUT (and it's a big, hairy but), "My sheep hear my voice, and they won't go to a stranger"
Sooner or later, that must necessarily apply.

[ABX]

God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.

Did you know...

- Abraham was too old
- Sarah laughed at God’s promises.
- Moses stuttered and questioned God's judgment in picking him. He killed a man.
- David’s armor didn’t fit and was too young. He also killed a man & had an affair.
- Hosea’s wife was a prostitute.
- Amos’ only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning.
- Jacob was a liar.
- Lazarus was dead.
- John was self-righteous.
- The Apostle Paul spent his life murdering Christians.
- Jeremiah was depressed & suicidal.
- Samson didn't wear a suit and had long hair.
- Noah got drunk.

Did I mention Moses had a short fuse?


http://mikelfrench.org/blog/flaws-of-famous-bible-characters/

Using that argument, I can make a list of those from the Bible who claimed to be from God or anointed to lead who actually were destructive.

Saul
Rehoboam
Jehoram
Ahaziah
Athaliah
(oh heck, 3/4ths of the post Solomon kings fall into that)
Herod the Great
Herod Antipas
Simon Magus
The Anti-Christ 

[jmyrlefuller]

God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.

Did you know...

- Abraham was too old Irrelevant.
- Sarah laughed at God’s promises.
- Moses stuttered and questioned God's judgment in picking him. He killed a man. Which prevented him from entering the Promised Land.
- David’s armor didn’t fit and was too young. Irrelevant. He also killed a man & had an affair. Which cursed his family lineage.
- Hosea’s wife was a prostitute. God specifically commanded Hosea to marry the prostitute as an allegory to show the figurative prostitution of the people of Israel.
- Amos’ only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning. He was called, like many others in the Bible, as a prophet, which needs no training.
- Jacob was a liar.
- Lazarus was dead. He was also nothing more than a pawn.
- John was self-righteous.
- The Apostle Paul spent his life murdering Christians. He was called to repent, and repented.
- Jeremiah was depressed & suicidal. If you had to see your people destroyed for their own sins, and could not marry or bear children because of them, you'd be depressed too.
- Samson didn't wear a suit and had long hair. He was specifically commanded to keep his hair long.
- Noah got drunk. Noah was blameless in the eyes of God.

Did I mention Moses had a short fuse?

None of these things, at least the ones that were forgiven, come even close to the wave of unrepentant greed, hedonism, sexual immorality and egotism—all sins the Bible warns gravely against—that has driven Donald Trump his entire life and still drives him to this very day.

[DB]

Pretty good answer. I would add in that quite a few are, for want of nicer terms, low-info crowd followers... Sheep.
BUT (and it's a big, hairy but), "My sheep hear my voice, and they won't go to a stranger"
Sooner or later, that must necessarily apply.

I think so many are blinded by their hate of Hillary, and there's lots to hate, that they will debase themselves to any level to crush her. It is scorched earth politics. They'll burn everything down to stop her. Trading one evil unprincipled person for another is not the answer but they only see Hillary.

[dfwgator]

I would add we once had a President whose greatest sin was "having lust in his heart".....how did that work out?

[HonestJohn]

If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they are hobbies. - John Stewart.

Yep.  I was going to post that.

Minus the 'They are hobbies" bit.

[HonestJohn]

I literally know TWO people that are voting Trump... I am tied into Presbyterian (OPC/PCA), Baptist, AOG, some Methodist, Lutheran, SDA through Pro-Life contacts in a regional and sorta semi-national basis. Normally Republican RTL monies are all but dried up other than to specific down-ticket guys. My family is Presbyterian OPC, Victory, Covenant Presbyterian, and SBA, and extends down the Rockies, across the lower midwest into the South. Also around Chicago, and Ann Arbor Mich... And of course, personally, I am Christian Messianic and tied into that in a semi-national way...

In all of that, *NOBODY* likes the guy.
Christian specific forums don't like him either.

I think his 'evangelical' support is mainly with liberal urban churches. That's what it looks like from here.

I'd wager those are going to go for Clinton.

The only one's I can figure that'd believe this pap are those that follow Falwell and donate money to him.

[roamer_1]

I'd wager those are going to go for Clinton.

Mostly, where I know he has support, it is in liberal churches. I dunno. What I do know is that my network is pretty much the same as it was with Romney - While I was opposed to Romney, some in my network were not opposed, or were anxious, looking for otherwise, but might still pull the lever... This is subjective, and only my memory, but let's say a quarter of them, maybe approaching half by the last half of October.

I am not seeing ANY of that. *NONE*. Everyone is 'Oh, hell no!' ... Started out that way, and their offense grew with every one of his antics. Their non-support is adamantine. Everyone is looking 3rd party, down-ticket, or staying home.

Like I said, I know TWO people IRL that are voting for Trump. He will be seeing no real help from the Christian Right. His numbers will be lower than Romney's.

The only one's I can figure that'd believe this pap are those that follow Falwell and donate money to him.

This is Jerry Jr.  He is politics, mover/shaker, and Liberty University. He is running his daddy's business interests, and the college.

Jerry Falwell's flock probably follows Jonathan Falwell, Jerry's other son, who is actually a preacher...

Liberty University is up in arms over Jerry Jr's endorsement, and approaches outright rebellion - Petitions denouncing his endorsement, dragging Liberty U along, are circulating. Folks are pissed.

[geronl]

You only get to sell your soul once, and it's never gonna come back

[AllThatJazzZ]

Trump has torn the mask off a lot people it seems.

Has he ever! I am seeing many people (public figures, ministers of the gospel, family and friends who claim the Name of Jesus) in a much different light now.

 

[DB]

Has he ever! I am seeing many people (public figures, ministers of the gospel, family and friends who claim the Name of Jesus) in a much different light now.

 

As perverse as it is, that exposure is a good thing. The truth matters.

[mountaineer]

The Evangelical Civil War: An Interview With Russell Moore
Oct 9, 2016 11:16 AM EDT
By Francis Wilkinson

Russell Moore is not surprised. In 2015, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention warned his fellow conservative evangelical Christians about a political candidate whose entire life was devoted to egotism and materialism and whose "attitude toward women is that of a Bronze Age warlord."

Leading Christian conservatives, such as Tony Perkins and Jerry Falwell Jr., didn't steer clear of Donald Trump. They laid hands on him, eager to deploy him as their newest battering ram in the culture war. They stuck with Trump through racism, sexism, dishonesty and even the publication of his third wife's mid-1990s girl-on-girl porno shoot. They're sticking with him now, even as more sensitive Republicans flee. 

Trump's march through the nation's dark side has left destruction, seen and unseen. The raging conflict within the Republican Party is mirrored in another battle over the soul of conservative Christianity. Moore, who has made it clear he's looking for Christians to elevate church above party, Jesus above Trump, is not shrinking from the fight.   ...  Read the interview at Bloomberg.

[DB]

The Evangelical Civil War: An Interview With Russell Moore
Oct 9, 2016 11:16 AM EDT
By Francis Wilkinson

Russell Moore is not surprised. In 2015, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention warned his fellow conservative evangelical Christians about a political candidate whose entire life was devoted to egotism and materialism and whose "attitude toward women is that of a Bronze Age warlord."

Leading Christian conservatives, such as Tony Perkins and Jerry Falwell Jr., didn't steer clear of Donald Trump. They laid hands on him, eager to deploy him as their newest battering ram in the culture war. They stuck with Trump through racism, sexism, dishonesty and even the publication of his third wife's mid-1990s girl-on-girl porno shoot. They're sticking with him now, even as more sensitive Republicans flee. 

Trump's march through the nation's dark side has left destruction, seen and unseen. The raging conflict within the Republican Party is mirrored in another battle over the soul of conservative Christianity. Moore, who has made it clear he's looking for Christians to elevate church above party, Jesus above Trump, is not shrinking from the fight.   ...  Read the interview at Bloomberg.

If this isn't already a stand alone post, you should do so. It deserves attention.

[r9etb]

Has he ever! I am seeing many people (public figures, ministers of the gospel, family and friends who claim the Name of Jesus) in a much different light now.

Hmmm.... yeah, I suppose.  But I've been too close to situations like that (i.e., defending the indefensible) to judge too harshly.  People do things for all kinds of reasons.  I can understand where they're coming from, even if I don't approve.

That said, when the likes of Falwell Jr. speak as they have, I can only recall the words of James 3:

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness...  So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.

Watching the video of Falwell's "defense" of Trump... it was pathetic.  That was a man who knows he's defending the indefensible, for reasons of political advantage.

[Longmire]

Russell Moore seems to be the root of the problem with some on the religious right.

This Soros Evangelical and his followers need to be flushed.

[Norm Lenhart]

Russell Moore seems to be the root of the problem with some on the religious right.

This Soros Evangelical and his followers need to be flushed.

Soros? I know about him. He's the guy Donald Trump is financially involved with.

[TomSea]

Falwell's correct, Bush's Neo-Con War started the persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

[Norm Lenhart]

Falwell's correct, Bush's Neo-Con War started the persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

I'm sure that some Pharrohs a couple thousand years back might put lie to that asinine statement.

[geronl]

'Ben Carson this morning on national television:
"Sometimes you put your Christian values on hold to get the work done.'

"This is moral relativism and situational ethics at its core. And I'm sure it made the devil smile when he saw him say it." ~ Steve Deace

right on the money

[geronl]

Falwell's correct, Bush's Neo-Con War started the persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

lol. A thousand years ago, the Bush started it....

[geronl]

Russell Moore seems to be the root of the problem with some on the religious right.

This Soros Evangelical and his followers need to be flushed.

Soros and Trump are pals

[TomSea]

Let's see, Clinton bombed Christians, the Neo-Con invasion under Bush accelerated persecution of Christians, Obama/Clinton have allowed Christians to be slaughtered.

The truth is, Trump is the most Christian candidate since Reagan.

[Norm Lenhart]

lol. A thousand years ago, the Bush started it....

It was burning mad too !

[Norm Lenhart]

Let's see, Clinton bombed Christians, the Neo-Con invasion under Bush accelerated persecution of Christians, Obama/Clinton have allowed Christians to be slaughtered.

The truth is, Trump is the most Christian candidate since Reagan.

The 12th commandment :Thou art entitled to grabbith TeH PXXsy" is absent from my Bible. If it's in yours, you arent a Christian. If it's not and you support a man that thinks it is, You arent a Christian either. You are a threat to Christianity and to women.

[Longmire]

Soros? I know about him. He's the guy Donald Trump is financially involved with.

This exchange typifies the shallowness of the anti-trump loser mindset.

There's no depth of understanding or ability to contextualize or rationalize the subject matter. 

Who cares if Russell Moore's 'open borders evangelism' is surreptitiously paid for by liberal ghouls...Trump is worse