Put Christian values on hold until after the election – Jerry Falwell Jr.

[roamer_1]

I'm willing to bet it's going to be one of the longest months on record, lol.

Roamer, do you know whether Jonathan is also a Trump supporter?   Word is that he prefers to stay out of politics and that he's upset with Jerry for his public pimping of Trump, but that's only rumor.

I think that rumor is well founded...

Seeking to quickly distance himself from his brother Jerry Jr., the Rev. Jonathan Falwell, senior pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church, issued a short statement the same day as his brother's endorsement of Donald Trump, saying Christians should vote for a "person of character" who displays "moral leadership."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/jonathan-falwell-jerry-trump-endorsement-character-moral-leadership-president-156177/

To my knowledge, that position remains unchanged...

[Norm Lenhart]

What groups are you specifically talking about here?

Does this include Catholics, Mormons, and mainline Protestants?

I'll wager Trump beats Romney in every category besides Mormon.

Boy are you in for a disappointment. What will your excuse be when that does not come to pass? Rigged voting as Trump is already trial ballooning? Despite the best efforts of the left to sabotage Christianity, there are still some people that worship the God of the Bible, not the god of Trump Tower. And by election day There will be most of them coming to their senses and realizing what a mistake Trump would have been.

Thats just the way it's gonna be. Start planning your myriad Trumpsplaining now

[NavyCanDo]

In this sparkling interview, he says we have to put our Christian principles on hold until after the election:

100% false.

Mr. Falwell may not be the most articulate spokesman, but those words were not uttered by him.

Classic case of the media putting words in someone else's mouth.

What he said exactly or not, Trumpsters were sure eager to jump on this thread and say he's right. Showing that they really do àgree with the headline.....and I guess that's the real lesson here, isn't it?

[Silver Pines]

In this sparkling interview, he says we have to put our Christian principles on hold until after the election:

100% false.

Mr. Falwell may not be the most articulate spokesman, but those words were not uttered by him.

Classic case of the media putting words in someone else's mouth.

@Longmire, why are you misrepresenting what Falwell said?  Did you watch the interview?

Baier:  "Mr. Falwell, what about what Dr. Ben Carson said there, that yes, we need to bring back Judeo-Christian values and we need to do that in our country, but frankly he essentially suggested put that on hold because the train's going over the cliff?"

Falwell: "Absolutely."

[Silver Pines]

I posit ...

that the pro-Trump evangelicals like Falwell, Jr., Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Paula White, etc., like Trump himself, serve only one god.  The almighty dollar.  These evangelicals (false prophets) preach the "Prosperity Gospel".  And as the Bible says, you cannot serve two gods. 

That they would advise Christians to 'set aside' their Christian values for this election, in order to vote for Trump, speaks volumes.....for anyone that is willing to hear or listen.

@XenaLee

It's always been my personal opinion that Jerry Jr. wants fame, like his father.  He's always bringing in politicians and other famous people, not only for graduation ceremonies but for convocations.  It's routine.  And as with so much of what Liberty University does, what the town has to deal with is a secondary consideration.  Heaven help you if you go into the city on one of those days....the traffic will be backed up onto the expressway. I believe he really enjoys the camera and rubbing elbows with those types.

[roamer_1]

What groups are you specifically talking about here?

Does this include Catholics, Mormons, and mainline Protestants?

I'll wager Trump beats Romney in every category besides Mormon.

I literally know TWO people that are voting Trump... I am tied into Presbyterian (OPC/PCA), Baptist, AOG, some Methodist, Lutheran, SDA through Pro-Life contacts in a regional and sorta semi-national basis. Normally Republican RTL monies are all but dried up other than to specific down-ticket guys. My family is Presbyterian OPC, Victory, Covenant Presbyterian, and SBA, and extends down the Rockies, across the lower midwest into the South. Also around Chicago, and Ann Arbor Mich... And of course, personally, I am Christian Messianic and tied into that in a semi-national way...

In all of that, *NOBODY* likes the guy.
Christian specific forums don't like him either.

I think his 'evangelical' support is mainly with liberal urban churches. That's what it looks like from here.

[Silver Pines]

I think that rumor is well founded...

Seeking to quickly distance himself from his brother Jerry Jr., the Rev. Jonathan Falwell, senior pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church, issued a short statement the same day as his brother's endorsement of Donald Trump, saying Christians should vote for a "person of character" who displays "moral leadership."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/jonathan-falwell-jerry-trump-endorsement-character-moral-leadership-president-156177/

To my knowledge, that position remains unchanged...

@roamer_1


Thank you for that.  It's good to know.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

It's always been my personal opinion that Jerry Jr. wants fame, like his father.  He's always bringing in politicians and other famous people, not only for graduation ceremonies but for convocations.  It's routine.  And as with so much of what Liberty University does, what the town has to deal with is a secondary consideration.  Heaven help you if you go into the city on one of those days....the traffic will be backed up onto the expressway. I believe he really enjoys the camera and rubbing elbows with those types.

Wanting fame is just as bad as wanting money if you're supposedly representing a Christian church.  The Bible is very specific about that.  One passage in particular....

http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-26.htm

And seeking "the world" means the same as seeking fame.

http://biblehub.com/mark/8-36.htm

These evangelicals are false prophets....leading many to sin and hell.  And they will be more severely judged for that.

http://biblehub.com/james/3-1.htm

[montanajoe]

This election has flushed out both the people who where not Conservative and those who were not Christian.

As far a Falwell's statement I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life coming from a so called man of god.

I wonder if the anti-Christ is Orange...  

[roamer_1]

I have mixed feelings on these posts because on the one hand I do not like how Christians are saying character does not matter and that we much choose the deviant strong man to fix out problems; that that is somehow the way God works.  NO IT IS NOT.  They are full of compromise and need to be told as much.

There's the rub: According to Christian principles, there is no such thing.

[XenaLee]

It has flushed out those who are not conservative.  It has flushed out the pragmatics who are not principled.  It has flushed out Christians who are too full of compromise.  I will not go so far as to say it has flushed out those who were not Christian.   Voting badly does not mean you are not a Christian.

Maybe not.   But it could and probably does mean that these same folks would/will probably fall for the anti-Christ's spiel when he/she finally appears on the world scene.  Christians that do not pray for discernment will fall by the wayside during that time.  Just as it is written.

[Silver Pines]

Falwell Sr. was a good man.  He did not seek fame.  Jr. fell a long way from the tree.

I have mixed feelings on these posts because on the one hand I do not like how Christians are saying character does not matter and that we much choose the deviant strong man to fix out problems; that that is somehow the way God works.  NO IT IS NOT.  They are full of compromise and need to be told as much.  On the other hand, I do not think we should go too far down the road of "Good Christians vote this way and bad Christians vote the other way."  Our values should inform us.  But how we vote does not make us a Christian, good or bad.  We harm the whole concept of freedom of religion when we hit each other over the head with the religion club.    In this case perhaps they started it.  So it works both ways.  The argument must be made on a certain level.  it need not be made in a way that helps destroy their reputations.  They are very wrong on Trump.  But some of them have ministries I admire and out of respect for that, I will not pile on.  They will learn the error of their ways soon enough.  The problem is compromise and forgetting that God honors obedience, not sinful self resolutions to our problems.

@RAT Patrol

I don't think Jerry Sr. actively sought fame---I should have been clearer.  I do believe that is the case with Jr., but it's just my personal opinion.

It bothers me that Falwell and others like him are harming their witness for Christ.  And it goes beyond them.  When this election is over, non-Christians are going to shrug and say, who needs Christianity, they're just a bunch of hypocrites, anyway. 

[Silver Pines]

Wanting fame is just as bad as wanting money if you're supposedly representing a Christian church.  The Bible is very specific about that.  One passage in particular....

http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-26.htm

And seeking "the world" means the same as seeking fame.

http://biblehub.com/mark/8-36.htm

These evangelicals are false prophets....leading many to sin and hell.  And they will be more severely judged for that.

http://biblehub.com/james/3-1.htm

@XenaLee

Agreed.

[roamer_1]

Saul?  Ahab?  Nebuchadnezzar? 

Sometimes the strongman is God giving people their sinful desires, to suffer under them.  Sometimes it is God punishing people for their disobedience.  We are not to choose one.  Ever.  What is particularly awful is that they view Trump as the guy who will stick it to their enemies.  It is like hiring a hit man so you don't have to commit the murder yourself.  Newsflash!  They picked him.  They share the guilt of his actions.

Exactly right! My point was that a strong man, according to YHWH, is not deviant.

[XenaLee]

@RAT Patrol

I don't think Jerry Sr. actively sought fame---I should have been clearer.  I do believe that is the case with Jr., but it's just my personal opinion.

It bothers me that Falwell and others like him are harming their witness for Christ.  And it goes beyond them.  When this election is over, non-Christians are going to shrug and say, who needs Christianity, they're just a bunch of hypocrites, anyway.

Just as.....they will be able to say about the Republicans....

truthfully, finally.

Trump has made all of their past false allegations against the GOP come true.  Trump... the liberal/Democrat gift that keeps on giving.

[roamer_1]

Maybe not.   But it could and probably does mean that these same folks would/will probably fall for the anti-Christ's spiel when he/she finally appears on the world scene.  Christians that do not pray for discernment will fall by the wayside during that time.  Just as it is written.

At some point one must ask: Who are you following, Man or Yeshua?
Technically, Christians, by definition, follow Christ.


@XenaLee
@RAT Patrol

[XenaLee]

At some point one must ask: Who are you following, Man or Yeshua?
Technically, Christians, by definition, follow Christ.


@XenaLee
@RAT Patrol

True.   And I can only imagine what Christ would have to say about Donald J. Trump.

[TomSea]

WRONG. You do not give up your values for any cause.  If you do then they were never really values in the first place.

Falwell addressed that in his speech actually,

Let's see how one defends that position with a stacked supreme court taking away individual liberties like the right to own guns or religious liberties, we have already seen a little of the latter taken away under Obama.

Let's see how we have that SCOTUS and then, one is so principled because of what someone said in 1975.

My value is I won't help the pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-Islamic, pro-open borders party in any way.

Respectfully.

[catfish1957]

So if Trump wins Falwell will think Trump anti-Christian values will go away?  What a dumbass.

[roamer_1]

Let's see how one defends that position with a stacked supreme court taking away individual liberties like the right to own guns or religious liberties, we have already seen a little of the latter taken away under Obama.

When that mattered was when the choice was between a Conservative and a NYC liberal in the primaries.
You could sell this BS to everyone here, and Trump would still lose.
Trying to fix liberalism with a liberal is the height of folly.

[dfwgator]

God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.

Did you know...

- Abraham was too old
- Sarah laughed at God’s promises.
- Moses stuttered and questioned God's judgment in picking him. He killed a man.
- David’s armor didn’t fit and was too young. He also killed a man & had an affair.
- Hosea’s wife was a prostitute.
- Amos’ only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning.
- Jacob was a liar.
- Lazarus was dead.
- John was self-righteous.
- The Apostle Paul spent his life murdering Christians.
- Jeremiah was depressed & suicidal.
- Samson didn't wear a suit and had long hair.
- Noah got drunk.

Did I mention Moses had a short fuse?


http://mikelfrench.org/blog/flaws-of-famous-bible-characters/

[roamer_1]

God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.

You're beating the wrong dog.

[catfish1957]

Absolutely.  I hate it.

Anyone else finding irony in that Trump is being fed the same medicine he used against his GOP primary opponents?

Sleaze returned with interest.

[Silver Pines]

God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.

Did you know...

- Abraham was too old
- Sarah laughed at God’s promises.
- Moses stuttered and questioned God's judgment in picking him. He killed a man.
- David’s armor didn’t fit and was too young. He also killed a man & had an affair.
- Hosea’s wife was a prostitute.
- Amos’ only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning.
- Jacob was a liar.
- Lazarus was dead.
- John was self-righteous.
- The Apostle Paul spent his life murdering Christians.
- Jeremiah was depressed & suicidal.
- Samson didn't wear a suit and had long hair.
- Noah got drunk.

Did I mention Moses had a short fuse?


http://mikelfrench.org/blog/flaws-of-famous-bible-characters/

@dfwgator

God can qualify Hillary Clinton as easily as Trump, so we might as well vote for one as the other if that's your standard.  Because there's absolutely zero evidence that either of them is called of God, and plenty to the contrary.

[DB]

Funny, I thought when the chips are down is when sticking to principle and honoring your values mattered the most.

Trump has torn the mask off a lot people it seems.