Glenn Beck faces reality: I was wrong about Ted Cruz

[SirLinksALot]

SOURCE: BUSINESS INSIDER

URL: http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-wrong-ted-cruz-trump-2016-9

by: Oliver Darcy


Glenn Beck on Monday said he was wrong to think Ted Cruz was a man comparable to George Washington.

Beck, who campaigned for Cruz in the primaries, made his comments after a marathon grilling session in which he pressed the Texas senator on his Friday endorsement of Donald Trump.

“For the for the very first time I heard Ted Cruz calculate,” Beck said of his interview with Cruz. “And when that happened, the whole thing fell apart for me. And it’s my fault. It’s my fault for believing men can actually be George Washington. It’s my fault.”

The conservative radio host even went as far as to suggest he should have endorsed Florida Sen. Marco Rubio in the primaries.

“I should have said, ‘You know who can win? You know who can beat Hillary Clinton? Marco Rubio,'" Beck told his national radio audience. "'I may disagree with him on the Gang of Eight [immigration bill], but there’s about 80% that I do agree with him on, and he’s kind of a politician, but he’s a different kind of politician. He's a Hispanic, he can win — let's go for it.’”

He added about Cruz: "To become the politician is disappointing. Really disappointing. … He’s still a good man, he’s just a politician first.”

Beck, still frustrated with Cruz, later lamented: "The interview pissed me off. That was so calculated that it was stunning to me."

Earlier in the program, Cruz defended his tepid endorsement of Trump, repeatedly saying there are only two choices: Trump or Hillary Clinton.

“What I said is this is a binary choice. I wish it were not a binary choice,” Cruz told Beck. “As you know, I tried very very hard, as did you, to prevent it from being a binary choice between Hillary and Donald Trump.

[SirLinksALot]

SOURCE: BUSINESS INSIDER

URL: http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-ted-cruz-donald-trump-endorsement-2016-9

by: Oliver Darcy


Glenn Beck on Monday grilled Ted Cruz for his Friday endorsement of Donald Trump, asking the Texas senator to explain how he could vote for a man he once called a “sociopathic liar.”

Cruz repeatedly told Beck there are only two choices for president this November: Trump or Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee.

“What I said is this is a binary choice,” he said. “I wish it were not a binary choice. As you know, I tried very very hard, as did you, to prevent it from being a binary choice between Hillary and Donald Trump.”

“I am still encouraged by you to abandon my principles and vote because it’s a binary choice?” Beck quipped back.

“You are encouraged by me to do what you believe is right and honorable and principled,” Cruz said.

Beck pressed the former 2016 presidential hopeful, asking him what changed between the “vote your conscience” speech he delivered at the GOP convention in Cleveland and now.

“This is information that you had in Cleveland. … You had all this information. You had this information the day you dropped out of the race and said that Donald Trump is a ‘sociopathic liar.’ So you had all this information,” Beck said.

He continued: “Have you spent an enormous amount of time — do you have new information that has made you say, ‘Oh my gosh. He’s now not a sociopathic liar? He’s not the guy that I very eloquently spelled out for over a year. And now suddenly there’s a reason to believe him?’

“You knew all the things you are saying today,” Beck reiterated. “The time to do that would have been the day you pulled out, or the day you gave the speech so eloquently. Why now? What’s new?”

Cruz said that “the most significant thing that changed” was the Supreme Court list Trump released on Friday, which added Utah Sen. Mike Lee, a Tea Party favorite.

“I think to me critically committed the only nominees he would consider for the court were on that list,” he said. “Now that was a major shift.”

Beck, running short on time, bumped a commercial break to ask Cruz if a Politico report that said he rented his email list out to Trump months before endorsing was accurate.

“Did you sell your list to Donald Trump?” Beck asked.

“Well Glenn, as you noted, you sell advertising. That’s what actually funds your radio show and that’s true, as far as I know, of every radio show. That’s how one communicates,” Cruz said.

The senator continued: “That’s also true of every candidate. You don’t sell your list, but you rent your list, so if someone wants to access your supporters, they pay for it. And that helps fund your effort. And like every other candidate, sure, we have rented our list out to those who wish to pay for it.”

Cruz then took a swipe at Politico, calling the story Beck referenced a “hit piece” from a “left-wing rag.”

Following the marathon grilling session, Beck said he was wrong about the man he thought Cruz was.

“For the for the very first time I heard Ted Cruz calculate,” Beck said of his interview with Cruz. “And when that happened, the whole thing fell apart for me. And it’s my fault. It’s my fault for believing men can actually be George Washington. It’s my fault.”

[driftdiver]

George Washington was a George Washington.  Nobody's perfect and idolizing the 'man' will always result in disappointment. 

When's Trump going to apologize for the cheap attacks and lies he told?

[Free Vulcan]

As usual Beck is neurotically over the top in his no true Scotsman world view. There are many conservatives who didn't vote for Trump in the primary and yet are still open to the idea of voting for him in the general if he can show that he's up to the task.

I'm one of them, though as of today I'm still not voting for him or Hillary. Cruz found his reasons. Hillary is so unacceptable that there will be many till election day voting for Trump only because she is so rancid and dangerous. Some moves on the board are only for blocking a worse outcome, and in this case for many voting for Trump are doing just that.

[TomSea]

Has Cruz apologized for his insults to Trump?

[sinkspur]

Has Cruz apologized for his insults to Trump?

Cruz never insulted Trump.  He told the truth about him being a pathological liar.  Surely you've realized that about Trump by now.

[TomSea]

He added about Cruz: "To become the politician is disappointing. Really disappointing. … He’s still a good man, he’s just a politician first.”

Beck's still a good man, he's just an entertainer first.

The conservative radio host even went as far as to suggest he should have endorsed Florida Sen. Marco Rubio in the primaries.

“I should have said, ‘You know who can win? You know who can beat Hillary Clinton? Marco Rubio,'" Beck told his national radio audience. "'I may disagree with him on the Gang of Eight [immigration bill], but there’s about 80% that I do agree with him on, and he’s kind of a politician, but he’s a different kind of politician. He's a Hispanic, he can win — let's go for it.’”

Maybe so; but I listened some to Beck this morning and thought he was really going off the rails.

http://www.cfr.org/united-states/marco-rubios-foreign-policy-vision/p36511

Rubio is really a good man, but talk about hawkish, McCain, Bachmann, these are all very good people but I do wonder some about their foreign policy outlook.

[rodamala]

“Did you sell your list to Donald Trump?” Beck asked.

“Well Glenn, as you noted, you sell advertising. That’s what actually funds your radio show and that’s true, as far as I know, of every radio show. That’s how one communicates,” Cruz said.

Within 30 seconds of receiving the mass-emailed Trump endorsement from Ted Cruz, I was mashing the unsubscribe link at the bottom of it.

Yer dun.

[TomSea]

Beck's old show on Fox was actually pretty good and it's too bad he went off the air, it wasn't warranted, folks got mad at him and tried to make a boycott that I guess was successful.

 He's really hit and miss nowadays.

[Sanguine]

Has Cruz apologized for his insults to Trump?

Tom, this has gone from funny to irritating to now pathological.  I'm worried about you.

[driftdiver]

Has Cruz apologized for his insults to Trump?

@TomSea

You mean when Cruz spread a lie that Trump's father helped Oswald assassinate JFK?


Oh wait it was trump that told that lie.

[driftdiver]

Has Cruz apologized for his insults to Trump?

@TomSea

Or was it when Trump accused Cruz of being controlled by Goldman Sachs, because Cruz once took one loan from them and his wife worked for them.   Because Cruz was beholden to the people on Wall Street.

Never mind that Trump threw these insults from his office on Wall Street just a couple doors down from GS.  In a building purchased through loans from Wall Street.  Not to mention all of his other millions and millions of dollars he's borrowed from Wall Steet, from people like Goldman Sachs.

Then there's the people on Trumps staff that worked at GS.

Oh and his campaign finance guy who worked for Soros.

[XenaLee]

Lol!  I think Beck is on the verge or yet another crying jag.  Perhaps a quart of Ben & Jerry's Half Baked might help him get through the trauma!

“I think I have to apologize and say, maybe, perhaps, those of you who said Ted Cruz is calculating and a smarmy politician, I think I may have to slightly agree with you and apologize for saying, ‘No, he wasn’t.’”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/26/glenn-beck-breaks-up-with-ted-cruz-over-his-donald-trump-endorsement.html

I am reminded about how most of us Cruz supporters visibly cringed when he chose Beck (who had already gone off the sanity rails) as one of his spokesmen.  We were correct in that assessment.

[driftdiver]

Lol!  I think Beck is on the verge or yet another crying jag.  Perhaps a quart of Ben & Jerry's Half Baked might help him get through the trauma!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/26/glenn-beck-breaks-up-with-ted-cruz-over-his-donald-trump-endorsement.html

I am reminded about how most of us Cruz supporters visibly cringed when he chose Beck (who had already gone off the sanity rails) as one of his spokesmen.  We were correct in that assessment.

Funny how they were throwing Beck under the bus when he was supporting Cruz but use him as an example when things change.

Beck has been off the rails for a while.   This isn't any different. 

I would like Cruz to explain why he allowed Beck to play such a prominent role. 

[driftdiver]

Beck took a LOT of hits for Cruz.  I do not blame him for feeling this way.  Cruz stabbed him in the back with his endorsement of Trump and his cheerleading for the binary hate Hillary theme.

Beck took a lot of hits for the whacked out things he was saying, not because he was supporting Cruz.

[Silver Pines]

"He added about Cruz: "To become the politician is disappointing. Really disappointing. … He’s still a good man, he’s just a politician first.”

I think that's a fair assessment.

I won't rage at Cruz, won't hate him, or any of that mess...he still has an excellent conservative rating.  I don't expect that will change.  But I won't spin for him, either.  Or anyone else.

[XenaLee]

Funny how they were throwing Beck under the bus when he was supporting Cruz but use him as an example when things change.

Beck has been off the rails for a while.   This isn't any different. 

I would like Cruz to explain why he allowed Beck to play such a prominent role.

I had a lot of respect for Beck when he had his tv show on fox.  He exposed and revealed a LOT of stuff that we needed to know (not that it has, since then, done one bit of good knowing).  But his erratic behavior since leaving fox has left me wondering about Beck's sanity.  His only saving grace is his vehement stance against the radical leftists in America, which I totally agree with.  But to now demonize Cruz over this .....when Cruz's advice of "voting your conscience" still rings true....is very telling. 

That Ted's conscience apparently now tells him to endorse and vote for Trump is, quite frankly, HIS decision to make.  I certainly won't diss him for that.  But I also certainly won't change my stance based on what Cruz does or does not do.

As for why Cruz chose Beck as one of his spokesmen, that is a question that only Cruz could explain.  Perhaps his sense of loyalty to his fellow anti-leftists is stronger than the loyalty of some or most of his fans...?  Dunno.

[TomSea]

True conservatives like Cruz back up Trump because he is pro-life, pro-2nd amendment. True Conservatives do not turn their back on the millions killed by abortion last year, blacks at 5 times the rate of whites, that's true racism as far as I'm concerned. Mike Pence like Paul Ryan prior, are the most staunch of pro-lifers.

[HoustonSam]

"He added about Cruz: "To become the politician is disappointing. Really disappointing. … He’s still a good man, he’s just a politician first.”

I think that's a fair assessment.

I won't rage at Cruz, won't hate him, or any of that mess...he still has an excellent conservative rating.  I don't expect that will change.  But I won't spin for him, either.  Or anyone else.

Well stated @CatherineofAragon, as I have always noticed in your comments.

I'm disappointed not that Cruz would decide to vote for Trump or that he would provide behind-the-scenes support for the Trump campaign such as lists of supporters.  I am disappointed that Cruz perpetuated the "binary choice" argument, that he detailed a list of reasons for supporting Trump, and that he encouraged others to do so.

I would have preferred for Cruz to remain silent, or failing that simply to say something like "if the election were held today I would vote for Trump" and leave it at that.  In my opinion Cruz has gained nothing and lost much in the way he's handled this.  I will refrain from speculation on his actual motives.

Cruz still has a very high rating as a conservative and will almost certainly get my vote here in TX when he runs for re-election to the Senate in 2018.  But he's come down a few notches in my estimation.  Of course my thoughts have no influence, they are simply my thoughts.

[NavyCanDo]

Beck is just responding in his own unique "Glenn Beck way" to the disappointment that Cruse will vote for Trump. I remember the GB show where Crus was a guest and Beck had Cruse hold George Washington's compass placing his thump on the indentation that Washington's thumb made on it - like some power was going to be transferred from Washington to Cruz. At the time I was still trying to make my own mind up  between Cruse or Rubio and thought that part of the show a bit awkward. And I normally like his show.

It could be argued that Cruse was the most conservative and least likely to bend to political pressure of the original 17. But most likable, or electable not even close.   

As far as him voting for Trump. I don't really care. I am not going to think any less of him if he does or does not, nor any other traditional Republican voter.  We all have to make our own decision on what we are going to do.   What Cruz said about voting your conscience does not change.

[skeeter]

Beck is just responding in his own unique "Glenn Beck way" to the disappointment that Cruse will vote for Trump. I remember the GB show where Crus was a guest and Beck had Cruse hold George Washington's compass placing his thump on the indentation that Washington's thumb made on it - like some power was going to be transferred from Washington to Cruz. At the time I was still trying to make my own mind up  between Cruse or Rubio and thought that part of the show a bit awkward. And I normally like his show.

It could be argued that Cruse was the most conservative and least likely to bend to political pressure of the original 17. But most likable, or electable not even close.   

As far as him voting for Trump. I don't really care. I am not going to think any less of him if he does or does not, nor any other traditional Republican voter.  We all have to make our own decision on what we are going to do.   What Cruz said about voting your conscience does not change.

Beck is horrified to discover Cruz is a politician.

Guess what Glen, he's a senator - its a prerequisite. Perhaps you can name a single senator, congressman or president who wasn't/isn't.

Good grief.

[aligncare]

George Washington was a George Washington.  Nobody's perfect and idolizing the 'man' will always result in disappointment. 

When's Trump going to apologize for the cheap attacks and lies he told?

Candidates often play hard while trying to win their party's nomination, and in a field of seventeen it became imperative to distinguish one's self from the crowd of seasoned politicans. And Donald Trump, as a newcomer to politics, certainly did that. It's said politics ain't beanbag.

Anyway, because Mr. Trump thought he was the best man for the job, he took a unique and personal approach to the primaries and it seems that some republicans, expecting to see politics as usual, got alarmed, and were maybe themselves personally offended along with their candidate of choice.

And let's remember, too, that Mr. Trump is not a perfect human being

But, hey, what am I talking about? I'm just an imperfect Trumpster, so what do I know?

[INVAR]

I won't rage at Cruz, won't hate him, or any of that mess...he still has an excellent conservative rating.  I don't expect that will change.  But I won't spin for him, either.  Or anyone else.

That is the difference between you and Principled Constitutionalists (I'm using that term because 'Conservatism is being hijacked the same way the word 'Progressive' was), and  ideologues wrapped up in a cult of personality.

They will make excuses, obfuscate and tear down others to loft up their political messiah.  It's what all Collectivists/Statists do, regardless whether they self identify as Democrats or Populist Nationalists.

[skeeter]

Candidates often play hard while trying to win their party's nomination, and in a field of seventeen it became imperative to distinguish one's self from the crowd of seasoned politicans. And Donald Trump, as a newcomer to politics, certainly did that. It's said politics ain't beanbag.

Anyway, because Mr. Trump thought he was the best man for the job, he took a unique and personal approach to the primaries and it seems that some republicans, expecting to see politics as usual, got alarmed, and were maybe themselves personally offended along with their candidate of choice.

And let's remember, too, that Mr. Trump is not a perfect human being

But, hey, what am I talking about? I'm just an imperfect Trumpster, so what do I know?

There's nothing "unique and personal" about Trump's approach, which typically was settled by pistols at dawn in another time.

Most of us recognize it as a pig, in spite of your lipstick.

[ExFreeper]

So Cruz admitted to renting out his supporter list.  Now I know how Trump got my home address. I was wrong about Cruz also.   Just sad...