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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1500 on: October 11, 2016, 01:36:55 am »
Stop it, Joe! I'm the troll. And since some genius bought the bridge I lived under and made me homeless I don't need the competition.  :tongue2:
If it's that one the candidates have been trying to sell us since the campaign started, relax. It isn't going anywhere, and they never seem to take possession. Otherwise, when you find a new bridge, make sure to check for structural problems...
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1501 on: October 11, 2016, 01:44:56 am »
If it's that one the candidates have been trying to sell us since the campaign started, relax. It isn't going anywhere, and they never seem to take possession. Otherwise, when you find a new bridge, make sure to check for structural problems...

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1502 on: October 11, 2016, 01:45:24 am »
I couldn't find where he uttered the word endorse.

"After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump. Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans.  And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way. A year ago, I pledged to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that commitment."

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/23/cruz-endorse-trump/

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1503 on: October 11, 2016, 01:58:00 am »
I am pretty sure he had two finger crossed when he PLEDGED his support. So it doesn't Really count anyways.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1504 on: October 11, 2016, 02:04:04 am »
I couldn't find where he uttered the word endorse.

"After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump. Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans.  And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way. A year ago, I pledged to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that commitment."

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/23/cruz-endorse-trump/
Like I said, if that's an endorsement, it's pretty tepid. It wouldn't be the first time Trump supporters had said Cruz had said something Cruz didn't actually say, but then, they have read the moon and stars tied up with a bow into what Donny has said, so that's not much of a surprise, either.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1505 on: October 11, 2016, 02:06:06 am »
I wouldn't go to Londonstan if you paid someone to put me on a boat and send me there. Besides, I don't speak camel phlegm.

You know, London Bridge is less than a couple hundred miles from my house.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1506 on: October 11, 2016, 02:16:41 am »
I couldn't find where he uttered the word endorse.

"After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump. Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans.  And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way. A year ago, I pledged to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that commitment."

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/23/cruz-endorse-trump/

Or, sounded even remotely enthusiastic.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1507 on: October 11, 2016, 02:17:26 am »
:nono:

The challenge was to produce a quote that evidenced Ted Cruz endorsing Trump not write a paean to St. Teddy, and what I provided was sufficient to meet the challenge.

Cruz gave Trump his endorsement, said he was voting for him, and encouraged others to vote Trump. End of story.



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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1508 on: October 11, 2016, 02:21:09 am »
You know, London Bridge is less than a couple hundred miles from my house.

Oh that London Bridge.  My mom's winter home. She'll be down with my sis in a couple of weeks.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1509 on: October 11, 2016, 02:27:02 am »
@Cyber Liberty

Oh, sorry @Cyber Liberty. I was replying to @Cyber Liberty.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1510 on: October 11, 2016, 02:39:25 am »
I believe the key to understanding what Cruz did is to realize that he does whatever Mark Levin tells him to do.  Levin is digging in and turning into a trumpbot and Cruz will not cross him.

Levin?  I don't think so.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1511 on: October 11, 2016, 02:39:33 am »
I believe the key to understanding what Cruz did is to realize that he does whatever Mark Levin tells him to do.  Levin is digging in and turning into a trumpbot and Cruz will not cross him.

IMHO and no offense, but I think that's quite a stretch on both people.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1512 on: October 11, 2016, 03:08:05 am »
I do sound like that. I kind of get tired of people putting politicians on pedestals. They are politicians. The higher up the chain a politician goes the worse they get.

And it is HARD to be anything but a simpleton when surrounded by so many geniuses.

Well when you put it that way it makes a lot of sense and I find myself in total agreement with you. 
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1513 on: October 11, 2016, 03:30:24 am »
I couldn't find where he uttered the word endorse.

A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don’t want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1514 on: October 11, 2016, 03:39:09 am »
A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don’t want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.

Good grief...you still didn't provide a link and the quote is:

A year ago, I pledged to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that commitment."

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/23/cruz-endorse-trump/

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1515 on: October 11, 2016, 06:47:27 am »
Good grief...you still didn't provide a link and the quote is:

A year ago, I pledged to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that commitment."

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/23/cruz-endorse-trump/

Amazing...

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1516 on: October 11, 2016, 08:34:14 am »
You know, London Bridge is less than a couple hundred miles from my house.

You live in Arizona?
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1517 on: October 11, 2016, 08:39:34 am »
Like I said, if that's an endorsement, it's pretty tepid. It wouldn't be the first time Trump supporters had said Cruz had said something Cruz didn't actually say, but then, they have read the moon and stars tied up with a bow into what Donny has said, so that's not much of a surprise, either.

In fairness to Cruz, he was voicing support about things Trump had said at one time (as if reminding Trump that he had said them).  The problem is that there is zero guarantee that Trump will hold to those statements considering that he is a pathological liar.  Cruz did the best he could to honor his commitment without saying anything good about Trump the man.  Nowhere did he say he believed Trump would do any of those things.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1518 on: October 11, 2016, 11:15:01 am »
I heard Cruz on the radio this morning.
He was in West Texas, yesterday. He was asked if he would still vote for Trump.
He said he would still vote for Trump because Hillary is a disaster.
He also stated that the differences between he and Trump were well known and laid out by him (Cruz) over the last year.
So, I'd say it comes out as a lukewarm "stop Hillary" endorsement, based on yesterday's comments.
I think Cruz will run for POTUS again, which is why I think he felt he had to vote for Trump now, or risk the rejection of not following the "party line" in 4 to 8 years from now.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1519 on: October 11, 2016, 11:28:07 am »
I heard Cruz on the radio this morning.
He was in West Texas, yesterday. He was asked if he would still vote for Trump.
He said he would still vote for Trump because Hillary is a disaster.
He also stated that the differences between he and Trump were well known and laid out by him (Cruz) over the last year.
So, I'd say it comes out as a lukewarm "stop Hillary" endorsement, based on yesterday's comments.
I think Cruz will run for POTUS again, which is why I think he felt he had to vote for Trump now, or risk the rejection of not following the "party line" in 4 to 8 years from now.

I understand supporters wanting to minimize the Cruz sellout. I was a Cruzer from nearly the first day and argued long and hard on his behalf. But folks, a vote is the ULTIMATE ENDORSEMENT in an election/campaign. And by saying he will vote trump he is encouraging his supporters to do likewise. Period. End of.

Semantics are semantics. Cruz is endorsing Trump regardless of what spin anyone puts on it. There is zero difference between doing what he is doing and speaking four words aloud.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1520 on: October 11, 2016, 11:29:23 am »
I believe the key to understanding what Cruz did is to realize that he does whatever Mark Levin tells him to do.  Levin is digging in and turning into a trumpbot and Cruz will not cross him.
I believe the key to understanding what Cruz said is in remembering he is a lawyer. Words do, indeed, mean something, and Cruz chose his carefully. He pledged his support and he was honoring that pledge.
He said Trump is the only thing standing in the way of Hillary, (qualifier), so vote for Trump if you want to stop her.
And that he would vote for Trump (to stop Hillary).

No where in there does he use the word "endorse".

Trumpkins have a history of filling in the blanks with what they want to hear, and they so wanted Ted to cave after months of vitriolic attacks, even beyond the primaries, that they read something into his statement he didn't say. The media said it, just like they said Cruz blamed street riots on Trump, or was the one really behind Liz Mair's pro-Rubio PAC, and a host of other delusions.

Now I supported Cruz in the Primaries (even though we didn't get to vote for POTUS in ND).https://ballotpedia.org/RNC_delegate_guidelines_from_North_Dakota,_2016
At this point, I am no longer a member of the GOP. I have no voice there.

While as a member of the Constitution Party, my voice may be muted, it is a voice.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1521 on: October 11, 2016, 11:33:58 am »
I understand supporters wanting to minimize the Cruz sellout. I was a Cruzer from nearly the first day and argued long and hard on his behalf. But folks, a vote is the ULTIMATE ENDORSEMENT in an election/campaign. And by saying he will vote trump he is encouraging his supporters to do likewise. Period. End of.

Semantics are semantics. Cruz is endorsing Trump regardless of what spin anyone puts on it. There is zero difference between doing what he is doing and speaking four words aloud.

Okay, fair enough, I was really just pointing out the obvious, really.
If he runs as a republican in 4-8 years, he has to be able to say he voted for the other republicans before him, or he will have trouble getting the party apparatus to support him.
Whether it is a good or bad choice, is always open for debate.
I wished he hadn't, but I won't be running for president anytime soon.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1522 on: October 11, 2016, 11:36:49 am »
Good grief...you still didn't provide a link and the quote is:

A year ago, I pledged to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that commitment."

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/23/cruz-endorse-trump/

You're wrong of course, which is what happens when you walk around in a haze of confirmation bias.   :shrug:

Read the entire Trump endorsement statement Ted Cruz made instead of cherry picking and you'll  see the exact endorsement quote I highlighted.

Again read the ENTIRE statement and look for the word ENDORSE to find the highlighted quote.

Or just read the headline of the article you linked..Ted Cruz Confirms He is Endorsing Donald Trump

-btw Cruz just REAFFIRMED his support for Trump yesterday after the debate.  :seeya:

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1523 on: October 11, 2016, 11:37:00 am »
I understand supporters wanting to minimize the Cruz sellout. I was a Cruzer from nearly the first day and argued long and hard on his behalf. But folks, a vote is the ULTIMATE ENDORSEMENT in an election/campaign. And by saying he will vote trump he is encouraging his supporters to do likewise. Period. End of.

Semantics are semantics. Cruz is endorsing Trump regardless of what spin anyone puts on it. There is zero difference between doing what he is doing and speaking four words aloud.
You are free to read into his statement all sorts of things which were not said.

He qualified his statement when he said Trump is the only thing standing in the way of Hillary.

By your metric, all those on this website who are grudgingly voting for Trump ONLY to stop Hillary are ENDORSING Trump. Really? Even though they have repeatedly said they will only do so to stop her.

There you go again, seeing what you want to see when everything is laid out in front of you.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1524 on: October 11, 2016, 11:40:06 am »
You are free to read into his statement all sorts of things which were not said.

He qualified his statement when he said Trump is the only thing standing in the way of Hillary.

By your metric, all those on this website who are grudgingly voting for Trump ONLY to stop Hillary are ENDORSING Trump. Really? Even though they have repeatedly said they will only do so to stop her.

There you go again, seeing what you want to see when everything is laid out in front of you.


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en·dorse·ment
inˈdôrsmənt,enˈdôrsmənt/
noun
noun: endorsement; plural noun: endorsements; noun: indorsement; plural noun: indorsements

    1.
    an act of giving one's public approval or support to someone or something.
    synonyms:   support, backing, approval, seal of approval, agreement, recommendation, championship, patronage, affirmation, sanction;
    informalbuy-in
    "the proposal won their overwhelming endorsement"