Cruz: I'm voting for Trump

[Norm Lenhart]

That's because parents, who have sole control over that kid, refuse to use the control they have over their bratty kids.  When I was five, and started acting up in public (while shopping), my mother knew how to deal with me.  She threatened to pull my pants down IN PUBLIC and spank me in front of God and everybody.  Worked every time.  Of course....now and today.... the mere threat of physical punishment could get her a visit from Child Services.  Hence, the destruction from creeping Liberalism.

What's the solution?  Perhaps there is none.   I remember a leftie troll that we righties used to ridicule...that used to say "In the end, Liberalism always wins".  I'm starting to see that he was correct after all.

Solution is simple. Dont be silent. Don't let them spread the lies they do. Stand up and say the word they hate most. "No".

[XenaLee]

Solution is simple. Dont be silent. Don't let them spread the lies they do. Stand up and say the word they hate most. "No".

Ok.  Point made and taken.  But.....here on this forum, we are guests.  Let's not make this place a bloody battleground and punish our hosts for the situation we find ourselves in nationally.  Just sayin....

[Norm Lenhart]

Ok.  Point made and taken.  But.....here on this forum, we are guests.  Let's not make this place a bloody battleground and punish our hosts for the situation we find ourselves in nationally.  Just sayin....

Might want to tell that to the people making it a bloody battleground and not me. I'm just standing up for the truth. There's a simple way to end this. Stop they liars and we'd have no problem and no reason to complain. It's not like they are hard to find. And they are guests here too.

[bigheadfred]

Ok.  Point made and taken.  But.....here on this forum, we are guests.  Let's not make this place a bloody battleground and punish our hosts for the situation we find ourselves in nationally.  Just sayin....

@Norm Lenhart

Right. Remember to use the singular NO and not the plural NOOOOO...

And in keeping with the forum theme I try to keep my posts brief. I try to read big long posts and end up wishing for pie and I scream.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Not getting into this with you again. All you did last time was talk in circles and make excuses.

Weren't you the guy who claimed that you'd "bury in rebuttals" anyone who argued with you on this...?

As long as that goes both ways, I'm 100% good with it. Primarily because they can't support that position factually and thus will be buried in the rebuttals.

I can't logically prove that Trump is the better choice, and will nominate more conservative Justices than Hillary.  But you can't prove logically that he won't, which makes your absolutism nothing more than ipse dixit -- that your predictions and interpretations of facts must be true because you say they are.

So if you don't want to engage further on that, fine.  But others aren't compelled to remain silent when you make your absolutist assertions.

[Night Hides Not]

That's because parents, who have sole control over that kid, refuse to use the control they have over their bratty kids.  When I was five, and started acting up in public (while shopping), my mother knew how to deal with me.  She threatened to pull my pants down IN PUBLIC and spank me in front of God and everybody.  Worked every time.  Of course....now and today.... the mere threat of physical punishment could get her a visit from Child Services.  Hence, the destruction from creeping Liberalism.

What's the solution?  Perhaps there is none.   I remember a leftie troll that we righties used to ridicule...that used to say "In the end, Liberalism always wins".  I'm starting to see that he was correct after all.

Next time that troll says that, merely respond, "in what universe? It didn't work for 1930s Germany, the Soviet Union, nor for Jim Crow in the South. And it sure as hell didn't work for Maximilian Robespierre during the French Revolution." 

That should get the conversation started...lol.

Liberalism, like socialism, wins until you run out of other people's money.

[Norm Lenhart]

Ok.  Point made and taken.  But.....here on this forum, we are guests.  Let's not make this place a bloody battleground and punish our hosts for the situation we find ourselves in nationally.  Just sayin....

Heres what one liberal had to say today

"This is a progressive neocon web site, what does one expect?

They call me everything from a nazi to a jew hater to a liberal to a pervert to an abomination.

I say it is they who are the abomination rising up as smoke into the nostrils of god, and thank god, i am not the judge."

And we can't call them what they are? We "abomination(s) rising up as smoke into the nostrils of god"?

What were you saying about battlefields?

[Norm Lenhart]

Weren't you the guy who claimed that you'd "bury in rebuttals" anyone who argued with you on this...?

I can't logically prove that Trump is the better choice, because there are nominate more conservative Justices than Hillary.  But you can't prove logically that he won't, which makes your absolutism nothing more than ipse dixit -- that your predictions and interpretations of facts must be true because you say they are.

So if you don't want to engage further on that, fine.  But others aren't compelled to remain silent when you make your absolutist assertions.

I don't want to engage with you at all because anyone reading your post history can see you duck and dodge every fact I handed you. There's no point in doing it again.

[XenaLee]

Heres what one liberal had to say today

"This is a progressive neocon web site, what does one expect?

They call me everything from a nazi to a jew hater to a liberal to a pervert to an abomination.

I say it is they who are the abomination rising up as smoke into the nostrils of god, and thank god, i am not the judge."

And we can't call them what they are? We "abomination(s) rising up as smoke into the nostrils of god"?

What were you saying about battlefields?

I know full well how the left operates.  I've been sparring with them on the internet for almost two decades now.  Calling us "neocons" is the left's favorite slur.

Point is..... fight them IRL.  Fight them locally.  Fight them nationally.   Never stop fighting them.   But we are guests here.  We don't make or enforce the rules here.  Leave it up to Myst and her mods to do that.  Have some respect for the battle that THEY are having to undertake.  It can't be easy.  This is the worst year ever re: political emotional outbursts.  And it will only get worse over the next month.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I don't want to engage with you at all because anyone reading your post history can see you duck and dodge every fact I handed you. There's no point in doing it again.

You didn't hand me a single fact.  You offered opinions masquerading as facts, and absolutist predictions as to what would happen in the future.  I called you on it, and that was it.

The great divide in this election among conservatives comes in trying to predict what Trump would do if elected.  The vast majority of us recognize that as an unknown, and so we debate it.  But you have reduced that unknown to a stark choice where your prediction of his future actions is inarguable, and therefore, anyone who votes for him to try to keep Hillary out of office must be a liberal because they must desire the results you are convinced will result from his election.  To say that argument is full of logical holes would be to give it too much credit -- there really isn't any logic to it at all.

[XenaLee]

Next time that troll says that, merely respond, "in what universe? It didn't work for 1930s Germany, the Soviet Union, nor for Jim Crow in the South. And it sure as hell didn't work for Maximilian Robespierre during the French Revolution." 

That should get the conversation started...lol.

Liberalism, like socialism, wins until you run out of other people's money.

Very true....but until that happens (they run out of our money due to the economy collapsing under the weight of entitlements, welfare fraud, waste, treason, etc.)....they do appear to be "winning".   They have a majority control of the schools, colleges, the media, the courts, most government offices and 90% of DC.....and MOST forums around the internet.  Until it all comes tumbling down ....as always happens when liberal leftists run and ruin things....they're ""winning"".

[Norm Lenhart]

You didn't hand me a single fact.  You offered opinions masquerading as facts, and absolutist predictions as to what would happen in the future.  I called you on it, and that was it.

The great divide in this election among conservatives comes in trying to predict what Trump would do if elected.  The vast majority of us recognize that as an unknown, and so we debate it.  But you have reduced that unknown to a stark choice where your prediction of his future actions is inarguable, and therefore, anyone who votes for him to try to keep Hillary out of office must be a liberal because they must desire the results you are convinced will result from his election.  To say that argument is full of logical holes would be to give it too much credit -- there really isn't any logic to it at all.

Complete crap. your post history is what it is.

[bigheadfred]

How long does it take for them to run out of money if we stop giving it to them? And as long as 'Conservatives' lambaste each other we are not giving it to them we are giving it to them.

[Norm Lenhart]

I know full well how the left operates.  I've been sparring with them on the internet for almost two decades now.  Calling us "neocons" is the left's favorite slur.

Point is..... fight them IRL.  Fight them locally.  Fight them nationally.   Never stop fighting them.   But we are guests here.  We don't make or enforce the rules here.  Leave it up to Myst and her mods to do that.  Have some respect for the battle that THEY are having to undertake.  It can't be easy.  This is the worst year ever re: political emotional outbursts.  And it will only get worse over the next month.

There's a lot of people sitting in jail cells right now for doing stupid things like admitting crimes, terrorist threats and many more things... because they thought online wasn't real life. They found out it was real life.

Pushing lies online has real life consequences. It impacts people and policy. It steers the course of events. All it takes is lies to run rampant.

[Cyber Liberty]

What is your definition of a "liberal"?

Doesn't matter.  Norm just wants to call people names, and is trying to find away around TBR's rules against calling people names.

[Sanguine]

Complete crap. your post history is what it is.

@Norm Lenhart @Maj. Bill Martin

This makes me sad.  Both of your are exceptional posters, witty, obviously well read, well informed and well-intentioned, and I've watched you go at it hammer and tongs for days now, and I'm not sure what you're arguing about.  I'm not even sure you disagree with each other on anything significant.  I don't see how this is a positive exchange on any level.

[Norm Lenhart]

Doesn't matter.  Norm just wants to call people names, and is trying to find away around TBR's rules against calling people names.

Liberal isn't a name. It's a political affiliation. So if we can't call people liberals then I guess Conservative is also off limits right?

[Norm Lenhart]

@Norm Lenhart @Maj. Bill Martin

This makes me sad.  Both of your are exceptional posters, witty, obviously well read, well informed and well-intentioned, and I've watched you go at it hammer and tongs for days now, and I'm not sure what you're arguing about.  I'm not even sure you disagree with each other on anything significant.  I don't see how this is a positive exchange on any level.

Which is why you see me trying to avoid it from his first instigation.

[musiclady]

@Norm Lenhart @Maj. Bill Martin

This makes me sad.  Both of your are exceptional posters, witty, obviously well read, well informed and well-intentioned, and I've watched you go at it hammer and tongs for days now, and I'm not sure what you're arguing about.  I'm not even sure you disagree with each other on anything significant.  I don't see how this is a positive exchange on any level.

COMPLETELY agree!!

I love them both!

STOP it guys............ you're on the same side!   

[Norm Lenhart]

COMPLETELY agree!!

I love them both!

STOP it guys............ you're on the same side!   

No, we most assuredly arent.

[musiclady]

No, we most assuredly arent.

OK.  If you say so.

[Norm Lenhart]

OK.  If you say so.

I do. I appreciate your concern. I do. But I am never going to be on the same side as a Trump supporter. Ever. Principle matters.

[Smokin Joe]

I see your point and it is valid nationally.  Come to think of it, if Bush had only fought back against all of the lib leftist lies ....things might have turned out very differently.  He just didn't have it (Reaganesque) in him to go to the American public and make his case against the 24/7 onslaught of lies and propaganda.

Here, on the Briefing Room forum, it is different.  It's us vs. them via opinions.....and in my humble opinion.....they are bordering on insanity with their constant barrage of insults and emotional displays of hatred against anyone they disagree with.  But here, on this forum, both sides of that disagreement are being allowed to continue....unlike at TOS.   

Yes, Jim shut down all dissent by zotting anyone he disagreed with (or that disagreed with him).   But that is NOT happening here, so ..... I posit that we ....instead of bothering to rebut the insanity....sit back, munch our popcorn, swig our Corona and laugh and point (a lot) at the spoiled brats that can't handle the fact that they are not getting their way HERE.  JS....

I refuse to let a lie stand unchallenged, simply because someone who just tuned in might well believe that crap. I think it isn't so much what we say as how we say it. We just put the shoe out there for the Liberals who support Liberals, and let them wear it. I don't so much get offended any more, and Ronald Reagan helps me respond more calmly. ("There you go again"...)

Someone has to hose the poo off the glass at the monkey house, or no one will ever be able to see how 'cute' they are.

[bigheadfred]

I have to say that by my joining this forum I have realized something important. I get so busy holding up my big head I forget what I am holding that big head up for.

If all the really real principled Conservatives would really be real Conservatives then they would ALL be voting third party and at that for a third party that stands for what those really real principled Conservatives in reality want: Adherence to the Constitution.

yours truly

Weh Ahh Day EEsh

[Norm Lenhart]

I have to say that by my joining this forum I have realized something important. I get so busy holding up my big head I forget what I am holding that big head up for.

If all the really real principled Conservatives would really be real Conservatives then they would ALL be voting third party and at that for a third party that stands for what those really real principled Conservatives in reality want: Adherence to the Constitution.

yours truly

Weh Ahh Day EEsh

Which is what we intend to do. And why the liberals here have such a fit.