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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html

Donald Trump’s Anything-Goes Campaign Sets an Alarming Political Precedent

By JONATHAN MARTINSEPT. 17, 2016

WASHINGTON — When Donald J. Trump descended on the capital Friday, he was expected to finally concede that the racially tinged falsehood he had gleefully propagated, that President Obama was born outside of the United States, had in fact been a lie.

But before Mr. Trump got around to what was a grudging and terse admission, which itself included a falsehood about the provenance of so-called birtherism, he had some business to tend to.

“Nice hotel,” said Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee for president, delighting in his newest property and the opportunity to plug it free on live television. He was holding his news conference at his new hotel in the Old Post Office building on Pennsylvania Avenue, which, he promised, is “going to be something very special.”

He seemed untroubled in using an ostensible campaign event just a few blocks from the White House to openly promote his personal commercial interests 52 days before the election.

In fact, this past week offered a vivid illustration of how little regard Mr. Trump has for the long-held expectations of America’s leaders. He is not only breaking the country’s political norms, he and his campaign aides are now all but mocking them.

Besides using his campaign as a platform to make money on a new hotel, Mr. Trump leveled an untrue assertion that Hillary Clinton had been the first to claim Mr. Obama was born abroad. He also boasted about his health on the show of a daytime television celebrity while releasing just his testosterone levels and a few other details about his well-being.

Mr. Trump also continued to flout 40 years of tradition by refusing to release his tax returns, a decision that his eldest son admitted this week was not based on an audit, as Mr. Trump has repeatedly claimed, but on a desire not to “distract” from the campaign’s “main message.”


Beyond his handling of personal information, he also casually accused the chairwoman of the Federal Reserve of corruption, claimed that the bipartisan national debate commission was rigged against him, and stated that Mrs. Clinton had not proposed a child care plan. (She has, and did so a year before he did.)

He also mocked an African-American pastor who had just welcomed him to her church, and again referred to Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, who once said she had Native American roots, as “Pocahontas.”

And that was all before Friday night, when Mr. Trump hinted at violence against Mrs. Clinton by inviting her Secret Service detail to disarm “and see what happens to her.”

Routine falsehoods, unfounded claims and inflammatory language have long been staples of Mr. Trump’s anything-goes campaign. But as the polls tighten and November nears, his behavior, and the implications for the country should he become president, are alarming veteran political observers — and leaving them deeply worried about the precedent being set, regardless of who wins the White House.

“It’s frightening,” said Vin Weber, a former Republican congressman from Minnesota. “Our politics, because of him, is descending to the level of a third-world country. There’s just nothing beneath him. And I don’t know why we would think he would change if he became president. That’s what’s really scary.”

Stephen Hess, who served in the Eisenhower and Nixon administrations, could not even contemplate the prospect of Mr. Trump as commander in chief.

“It’s incredibly depressing,” Mr. Hess said of Mr. Trump. “He’s the most profoundly ignorant man I’ve ever seen at this level in terms of understanding the American presidency, and, even more troubling, he makes no effort to learn anything.”

Mr. Trump’s advocates insist that the critics are missing the larger impact of his candidacy, and how his campaign and presidency could be a force for good. As a New York Times-CBS poll released last week indicated, voters see him as more likely to aggressively confront what they see as a rotten political system, even if they recognize Mr. Trump as a risky choice.

“On the things that are really big, he will in some clumsy way force real change,” said Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, who is an adviser to Mr. Trump. “Washington won’t be the same when he’s done.”

But that is what is so worrisome to many observers of Mr. Trump’s rise. His critics fear that his norm-breaking campaign portends a political future in which candidates pay no penalty for unabashedly telling untruths, disregarding the public’s right to know, and lobbing racially charged accusations.

“I worry that if those of us in politics and the media don’t do a lot of soul-searching after this election, a slightly smarter Trump will succeed in the future,” said Jon Favreau, Mr. Obama’s former chief speechwriter. “For some politicians and consultants, the takeaway from this election will be that they can get away with almost anything.”

As Martin Nolan, a former editor and reporter at The Boston Globe who has chronicled politics for over 50 years put it: “Truth has a low priority in the misnomer known as reality TV.”

“Rules,” Mr. Nolan added, “are for losers.”

The only salvation this year, argue Mr. Trump’s detractors, is that he is a singular figure in American life, and his would-be successors will not be able to skirt accountability in the fashion of the celebrity provocateur.

“He has inflicted Stockholm syndrome on America,” said Stacey Abrams, a Democrat and the minority leader of the Georgia House. “It’s not even that we’re numb to it, it’s just that we’ve always enjoyed the show. It’s entertaining to hate him, to like him and to imagine being him.”

But while there may not be another Mr. Trump, he does seem to have thrust the country into a new era. With American culture increasingly coarse and ever more obsessed with celebrity, the country’s politics were bound to eventually catch up.

Less than 25 years after Bill Clinton shocked some by unabashedly answering a question about his underwear preference on television, Mr. Trump purposefully brought up the size of his penis at a televised debate.

It is not difficult to find Republicans who recoil at how their own nominee has, to borrow the phrase made famous by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the former New York senator and sociologist, defined deviancy down.

“Trump is reflecting a culture that is more crass, more accepting of vulgarity and more attuned to pop culture,” said Matt Lewis, a conservative writer. “The bar has been lowered where going on Dr. Oz is perfectly acceptable and maybe even cutting edge.”

Where Republicans differ is over whether the acceptance of Mrs. Clinton’s transgressions is just as ominous for the country.

“You can’t have a republic without virtue and I don’t think there’s great virtue in either of them,” said Tom Coburn, the former Oklahoma senator, of Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton.

Still, Mr. Weber, who arrived in Washington as a congressional staff member shortly after the post-Watergate election of 1974, said Mr. Trump’s approach would inflict the most damage on his own party.

“You don’t want to say this is the equivalent of Watergate,” Mr. Weber said. “But at least that was a discrete crime. In a way, Trump is harder to deal with. And Republicans didn’t feel compelled to defend Watergate: they drove Richard Nixon out of office.”
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Trump should have signed up and had his entire campaign film and broadcasted as a reality show it could have been a hit and he would have made millions!!! 
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Why don't y'all gather at one huge thread, swell it up to 700-800 pages of high fives and Amens, title it "Trump Is Satan," and just be done with it?

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Why don't y'all gather at one huge thread, swell it up to 700-800 pages of high fives and Amens, title it "Trump Is Satan," and just be done with it?

Why don't you go to your safe space and give Trump a big ole tongue bath?

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Trump should have signed up and had his entire campaign film and broadcasted as a reality show it could have been a hit and he would have made millions!!!

Don't laugh. He may be doing just that, selling the "glory days" to his Trumpkins after his loss. 
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Trump should have signed up and had his entire campaign film and broadcasted as a reality show it could have been a hit and he would have made millions!!!

It has been well documented as is every campaign. He'll likely broadcast it after the election when none of it can damage his prospects now and he can keep the money flowing.

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Don't laugh. He may be doing just that, selling the "glory days" to his Trumpkins after his loss.

Commemorative Obama Plates ring a bell?

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Why don't y'all gather at one huge thread, swell it up to 700-800 pages of high fives and Amens, title it "Trump Is Satan," and just be done with it?

y'all? Clearly a microaggressive codeword of some kind! Where's a mod when you need one?  8888crybaby
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Why don't y'all gather at one huge thread, swell it up to 700-800 pages of high fives and Amens, title it "Trump Is Satan," and just be done with it?


Because that thread could be ignored. Blitzing every thread with the same crud gives opportunity for insult and ridicule as in his reply to this post. Insult and ridicule. Where have we seen this tactic encouraged?

 

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Re: Donald Trump’s Anything-Goes Campaign Sets an Alarming Political Precedent
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2016, 01:52:47 am »
It has been well documented as is every campaign. He'll likely broadcast it after the election when none of it can damage his prospects now and he can keep the money flowing.

Won't get the ratings it would now
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2016, 02:01:43 am »

Because that thread could be ignored. Blitzing every thread with the same crud gives opportunity for insult and ridicule as in his reply to this post. Insult and ridicule. Where have we seen this tactic encouraged?

From Trump.

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2016, 02:07:55 am »
Won't get the ratings it would now

But it would make him money without fear of being used as ammo for his detractors.

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2016, 10:00:40 am »

Because that thread could be ignored. Blitzing every thread with the same crud gives opportunity for insult and ridicule as in his reply to this post. Insult and ridicule. Where have we seen this tactic encouraged?

It's perfectly okay for nevers to insult Trump supporters here. The other day a never said to me "go away." When I said the exact thing back in answer to that poster, I was the one suspended 24-hours. As far as I know, the other poster got zero, zip, nada from the moderators here.

So, it's always open season on Trump supporters here. Because, after all, we have no virtue.

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2016, 10:14:10 am »
The Vulgarian Horde's cry of "It became necessary to destroy the country to save it" sounds vaguely familiar.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2016, 10:37:08 am »
The Vulgarian Horde's cry of "It became necessary to destroy the country to save it" sounds vaguely familiar.

It does.  Good post.  Point well made in a single sentence.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2016, 10:38:46 am »

Because that thread could be ignored. Blitzing every thread with the same crud gives opportunity for insult and ridicule as in his reply to this post. Insult and ridicule. Where have we seen this tactic encouraged?

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2016, 12:50:10 pm »
Aligncare is a he?

According to his profile, yes. But the reference was to sinkspur.

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2016, 02:21:15 pm »
It's perfectly okay for nevers to insult Trump supporters here. The other day a never said to me "go away." When I said the exact thing back in answer to that poster, I was the one suspended 24-hours. As far as I know, the other poster got zero, zip, nada from the moderators here.

So, it's always open season on Trump supporters here. Because, after all, we have no virtue.

Like it is open season on Cruz 24-hours a day among the Trumpsters and yet he isn't even running? Tell us if Trump is so powerful as you claim and No-Trumps are so stupid and weak as you claim what are you afraid of?
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Re: Donald Trump’s Anything-Goes Campaign Sets an Alarming Political Precedent
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2016, 04:10:36 pm »
"When Donald J. Trump descended on the capital Friday, he was expected to finally concede that the racially tinged falsehood he had gleefully propagated, that President Obama was born outside of the United States, had in fact been a lie."

How the hell is that "racially tinged"? 

And, secondly, this is something that the Clinton minions invented and propagated. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2016, 04:13:42 pm »
    Donald Trump’s Anything-Goes Campaign Sets an Alarming Political Precedent

The headline is correct, the alarming political precedent is that the government may work for the people, not the people working for the government.


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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2016, 04:29:15 pm »
"When Donald J. Trump descended on the capital Friday, he was expected to finally concede that the racially tinged falsehood he had gleefully propagated, that President Obama was born outside of the United States, had in fact been a lie."

How the hell is that "racially tinged"? 

And, secondly, this is something that the Clinton minions invented and propagated.

Trump wanted to de-legitimize the first African American president.  You're naive if you pretend otherwise.

Trump said Hillary propagated it.  He is wrong.
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2016, 04:36:52 pm »
Trump wanted to de-legitimize the first African American president.  You're naive if you pretend otherwise.

Trump said Hillary propagated it.  He is wrong.

Nonsense, Sink.  I know you are very invested in Trump's "racism"*, but de-legitimizing 0bama's legacy is not necessarily a racist action.  0bama's legacy can and should be de-legitimized on its own merits.

*And, it may be there, but that's not the issue.

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2016, 05:26:28 pm »
Like it is open season on Cruz 24-hours a day among the Trumpsters and yet he isn't even running? Tell us if Trump is so powerful as you claim and No-Trumps are so stupid and weak as you claim what are you afraid of?
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2016, 06:40:52 pm »
Nonsense, Sink.  I know you are very invested in Trump's "racism"*, but de-legitimizing 0bama's legacy is not necessarily a racist action.  0bama's legacy can and should be de-legitimized on its own merits.

*And, it may be there, but that's not the issue.

Creating an issue in which Obama might have been born in Africa is not de-legitimizing the President based on his actions in office.  It's based on false accusations on a biological matter.