LEVIN: I'M VOTING FOR TRUMP ... HERE'S WHY

[Smokin Joe]

True enough.

The only solution that makes sense is to vote for neither evil.  It's the only thing my conscience will allow.

Precisely.

[Smokin Joe]

Otto Wels? Leader of the SDP, and one of the last to speak out against The Enabling Act? Interesting choice of people to post.

[DiogenesLamp]

That's situation ethics, Dio.

No,  it's a willingness to understand that the frying pan and the fire are not equally desirable options,   and as much as I would hate to fry in the frying pan,   it is still preferable to burning in the fire. 

I have kids who are just starting to make their way into their lives,  and the last thing I want to see is Nazi Gestapo proxies beating down our doors trying to arrest us for crimes against the state.   

(such as holding contrary opinions.)   

I only do the right thing under certain circumstances.  My following moral law, ethics and absolute standards only applies when someone else tells me it's OK, and when some internet stranger tells me I should disobey, I follow along like a sheep and do what he tells me to do.

Doesn't work that way with me.  I'm doing the right thing, no matter what you try to get me to do.

That's why they're called absolute standards.

(See my signature quote.  Not this time).

I think my own absolute standards pretty much dictate that I do what I think is best for the survival of myself and my children,  and Nazi Hitlery is pretty much the worst outcome I can envision. 


As I have mentioned before,   whatever else is wrong with Trump,   he doesn't *HATE*  us.   He doesn't *DESPISE*  conservatives and everything they stand for and in which they believe.    He won't order the FedGov to crush and torment us.   



Hitlery does *HATE*  us.   She wants to subjugate us to her communist predilections and she will turn the power of government into a weapon to be used against us.   (SHE HAS ALREADY DONE THIS BEFORE!!!!)   


These very words I am typing now may result in me being sent to a camp. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Otto Wels? Leader of the SDP, and one of the last to speak out against The Enabling Act? Interesting choice of people to post.

He was very appropriate to point out.   He lost the election to Hitler because people voted third party for this guy:

Ernst Thälmann

[musiclady]

No,  it's a willingness to understand that the frying pan and the fire are not equally desirable options,   and as much as I would hate to fry in the frying pan,   it is still preferable to burning in the fire. 

I have kids who are just starting to make their way into their lives,  and the last thing I want to see is Nazi Gestapo proxies beating down our doors trying to arrest us for crimes against the state.   

(such as holding contrary opinions.)   


I think my own absolute standards pretty much dictate that I do what I think is best for the survival of myself and my children,  and Nazi Hitlery is pretty much the worst outcome I can envision. 


As I have mentioned before,   whatever else is wrong with Trump,   he doesn't *HATE*  us.   He doesn't *DESPISE*  conservatives and everything they stand for and in which they believe.    He won't order the FedGov to crush and torment us.   


Hitlery does *HATE*  us.   She wants to subjugate us to her communist predilections and she will turn the power of government into a weapon to be used against us.   (SHE HAS ALREADY DONE THIS BEFORE!!!!)   


These very words I am typing now may result in me being sent to a camp.

And yet,   I am not persuaded to do the wrong thing by your impassioned plea.

As I said, the words of an internet stranger, no matter how emotionally charged they may be, will not make me vote for a vile, hateful, amoral, corrupt leftist.

There are other options, and I am making a decision that will allow me to sleep at night.

Voting for Trump will not.  Voting for Hillary will not.

They are both evil.

(And it's still situation ethics to vote against my conscience because of perceived circumstances........... a postmodern philosophy to which I don't ascribe).

[Ghost Bear]

I think it is you who might want to try again. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

But my point remains.   Hitlery is a F***ING NAZI!     I do not know how I can make this point more clearly than to point out that everything she has done in her professional or private life is Nazi-Like in temperament
and in her willingness to abuse power.    

Now she would quibble and say she was a Stalinist,   but the differences between the two are too insignificant to bother pointing out. 

My link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_presidential_election,_1932

From your link, the German Federal Election of 1933 was a parliamentary election in which six different parties were vying for seats. Again, the Nazi party (NSDAP) won less than a majority (43.91%) and had to form a coalition with one of the other parties (the DNVP) to form a bare majority. Another poor analogy.

Hillary is a Stalinist.  The differences between Stalinism and Nazism are not insignificant, except to someone who would argue that a 6-party Parliamentary election is in some way analogous to a 2-major-and-several-minor-party Presidential election.

[DCPatriot]

Why is this thread in FROM OUR MEMBERS?  For what purpose?

It is not any member's original thoughts or content.

@alicewonders provided the link in the OP.

 

[unknown]

Its HIGHLY offensive and indicative of the entire Trump monstrosity.   He doesn't try to earn our votes, ...

One of my favorite responses from a politician that refused to pander to a group. Newt Gingrich running for President in 2012. I couldn't believe I actually heard a politician lay it out straight, didn't even to try to create a word salad that would probably end up with "for the children" or some such nonsense.

"Newt Gingrich to gay Iowan: Vote for Obama"
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/20/gingrich-to-gay-iowan-vote-for-obama/

..

Scott Arnold, an adjunct professor of writing at William Penn University, had approached Gingrich to ask him about how he plans to engage gay Americans given his stance on same-sex marriage.

“I asked him if he’s elected, how does he plan to engage gay Americans. How are we to support him? And he told me to support Obama.”

Gingrich told Arnold that he doesn’t expect to get the support of voters who disagree with him on the definition of marriage and who consider that a central issue.

..

“When you ask somebody a question and you expect them to support all Americans and have everyone’s general interest, it’s a little bit frustrating and disheartening when you’re told to support the other side — that he doesn’t need your support,” Arnold said.

..

“It doesn’t inspire hope at all,” Arnold said of Gingrich’s statements. “And if that’s what he’s trying to do and that’s what he’s trying to say, that this is a collective effort if he’s elected president, yet he tells me to support the other side?”

Here's the video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/gingrich-agrees-gay-voter-should-support-obama/?lumiereId=50116906&videoId=676af3c5-8bdf-11e2-9400-029118418759&cbsId=7392399&site=cbsnews

[DCPatriot]

No,  it's a willingness to understand that the frying pan and the fire are not equally desirable options,   and as much as I would hate to fry in the frying pan,   it is still preferable to burning in the fire. 

I have kids who are just starting to make their way into their lives,  and the last thing I want to see is Nazi Gestapo proxies beating down our doors trying to arrest us for crimes against the state.   

(such as holding contrary opinions.)   







I think my own absolute standards pretty much dictate that I do what I think is best for the survival of myself and my children,  and Nazi Hitlery is pretty much the worst outcome I can envision. 


As I have mentioned before,   whatever else is wrong with Trump,   he doesn't *HATE*  us.   He doesn't *DESPISE*  conservatives and everything they stand for and in which they believe.    He won't order the FedGov to crush and torment us.   

Hitlery does *HATE*  us.   She wants to subjugate us to her communist predilections and she will turn the power of government into a weapon to be used against us.   (SHE HAS ALREADY DONE THIS BEFORE!!!!)   

 These very words I am typing now may result in me being sent to a camp.

These 'people' here don't realize under a Clinton presidency with a Clinton SC....this site won't exist.

And allowing it to become an exclusive ANTI-TRUMP site isn't going to matter to 'them'.

 

[DiogenesLamp]

And yet,   I am not persuaded to do the wrong thing by your impassioned plea.

Allowing Hillary to take control of the Federal forces of this nation *IS THE WRONG THING.*   


You cannot get more wrong than this.   She is evil personified.   She has a lying black heart and an abusive nature.


Might as well hand your child over to a Witch. 

[unknown]

Mark Levin

 

And another one bites the dust....

Also...Jeff Sessions, sheriff Joe Arpaio, sheriff David Clarke, America's Mayor, Phyllis Schlafly...

List of Donald Trump presidential campaign endorsements, 2016:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

THE LIST IS HUGE...and a significant portion are conservatives, solid conservatives.

WOW!

This list is HUGE!  ...and a significant portion are conservatives, solid conservatives.

List of Donald Trump presidential campaign endorsements, 2016:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

[DiogenesLamp]

Hillary is a Stalinist.  The differences between Stalinism and Nazism are not insignificant,

And pray tell,   what is a significant difference between the Stalinists and the National Socialists?   


According to Historian Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn,   the reason the Nazi Flag is Red is because it was created by sewing swastikas over the hammer and sickles of their old communist flags they had previously used.   

[DiogenesLamp]

These 'people' here don't realize under a Clinton presidency with a Clinton SC....this site won't exist.

And allowing it to become an exclusive ANTI-TRUMP site isn't going to matter to 'them'.

 

It boggles the mind that these people do not seem to know that they are dealing with a true believer Nazi/Stalinist.   


The only conclusion I can reach is that they haven't kept up with Hillary's doings in life.    She has been engaged in evil,  unethical,  abusive and corrupt behavior for her entire adult life. 

[musiclady]

Allowing Hillary to take control of the Federal forces of this nation *IS THE WRONG THING.*   


You cannot get more wrong than this.   She is evil personified.   She has a lying black heart and an abusive nature.


Might as well hand your child over to a Witch.

It is also THE WRONG THING to put in office an amoral, corrupt narcissist.

Neither is the right thing, so I'm not doing either.  Both are evil human beings.

I've made my point here, and further pressure on your part won't change either my mind, or my values.

Trump is a bridge too far, and I will not cross it, and have to live with what, for me, would be sin.

[Smokin Joe]

11 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican."

Oh, nice! I never said I was perfect. In fact, I became a Conservative by trial and error. I know the destruction of the alternative.

I may not be perfect, but I still am bound to not support evil.

[Ghost Bear]

And pray tell,   what is a significant difference between the Stalinists and the National Socialists?   

According to Historian Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn,   the reason the Nazi Flag is Red is because it was created by sewing swastikas over the hammer and sickles of their old communist flags they had previously used.

Communism/Stalinism outlaws private ownership of the means of production; all means of production are owned by the state. Fascism/Nazism allows the private ownership of the means of production, but under such heavy government control that the state can, by enactment of law and regulation, direct the ownership however the government wishes.

Both systems of government are socialist in nature, in that they put the supremacy of the government over that of the individual. In Socialist nations the individual has no freedom except what the government allows.

If you still don't see a difference, try this analogy: Hillary will take away your business, Trump will just enact laws to make sure you run it the way he wants you to run it.

See the difference?

[musiclady]

It boggles the mind that these people do not seem to know that they are dealing with a true believer Nazi/Stalinist.   


The only conclusion I can reach is that they haven't kept up with Hillary's doings in life.    She has been engaged in evil,  unethical,  abusive and corrupt behavior for her entire adult life.

I was just going to thank you for not being insulting, Dio, but I see in two posts that you've been brutal.

First, that not voting for Trump means we don't understand Hillary.  Poppycock.  We ALL know how evil Hillary is.  That should mean something to you then, when we say we cannot vote for Trump because HE is evil

And secondly, I see that you falsely accused a Conservative here of being a Pharisee, and that's really ugly.

The accusation that because some of us won't sacrifice our moral principles under pressure from zealots means that we think we're better than anyone else is deceitful nonsense.

I mean, Dio.......... who is here proclaiming to know everything and declaring the rest of us to be ignorant and foolish?

It's YOU and your Trumpals who are doing that.  Not us.  We're just stating what we believe and you can't handle it.

[Smokin Joe]

Walking isn't going to be an option,  but don't worry,  Hillary also has a train transportation scheme for us conservatives. 







People simply do not grasp how evil Hillary is and has always been.    She really is a F***ing Nazi.

While I think that is hyperbole (she can't make money off dead people), If it comes to that, the magic number is three. Get three before they get me.

Considering the behavioural parallels between her opponent and a fellow we aren't supposed to mention, and the similarity of many of the supporters, who are willing to overlook evil to follow him, I have no faith that either will be any less or more likely to have such an outcome.

[DiogenesLamp]

It is also THE WRONG THING to put in office an amoral, corrupt narcissist.

Hillary is bloodshed.   



Trump is greasy and annoying.   



Comparing them as equals is an immoral thing to do.   It is a form of lying or deceit.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Oh, nice! I never said I was perfect. In fact, I became a Conservative by trial and error. I know the destruction of the alternative.

I may not be perfect, but I still am bound to not support evil.

The only thing necessary for the Triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

[Smokin Joe]

Corrupt is corrupt, they should all be hung

I think you meant "hanged", but I agree, with that amendment.

[Sanguine]

What intellectual dishonesty, @Sanguine   

We've done that hundreds of times....going back to Summer of 2015.

What good did it do?   No difference.

Just look at the thread in OPINIONS (The Flight-93 Election).....where it should be REQUIRED reading and a quiz passed by every #nevertrumper on this forum.

Instead...they avoid it like it's car vomit.   

....because it's all about THEM.

Hey, DC, don't ping me please.

Thanks.

[Smokin Joe]

He lost because of the people who voted "third party." 

No, he didn't. He lost because people were intimidated by the Nazis.

All 94 SPD members of parliament who were present voted against the act. Using the powers of the Reichstag Fire Decree, the Nazis had detained several SPD deputies, while others had already fled into exile. The Communists had been banned and therefore could not vote. The rest of the Reichstag voted in favour. However, Nazi intimidation had worked so well that even if all 107 SPD deputies had been present, the Enabling Act would have still passed with the required two-thirds majority for a constitutional amendment.

The passage of the Enabling Act marked the end of parliamentary democracy in Germany and formed the legal authority for Hitler's dictatorship. Wels, Rudolf Breitscheid and their party tried to appease Hitler. They joined the rest of the Reichstag in endorsing Hitler's foreign policy shortly after the passage of the Enabling Act, and criticised their colleagues abroad who condemned Hitler. It was to no avail. Within weeks of the passage of the Enabling Act, the Hitler government banned the SPD, while the other German political parties chose to dissolve to avoid prosecution, making the Nazi Party the only legal political party in Germany.[4]

In June 1933, Wels went into exile in the Territory of the Saar Basin, which at the time was under League of Nations control; in August 1933, he was deprived of his citizenship. He then worked to build the expatriate SPD, first in Prague, then in Paris, where he died in 1939.

Source: http://www.everipedia.com/Otto_Wels/#ixzz4JbtvuvHJ

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

He lost because of the people who voted "third party." 

Hahaha sorry but this is damn silly.

[DiogenesLamp]

Communism/Stalinism outlaws private ownership of the means of production; all means of production are owned by the state. Fascism/Nazism allows the private ownership of the means of production, but under such heavy government control that the state can, by enactment of law and regulation, direct the ownership however the government wishes.

And you see those as distinctly different?   In the Soviet Union,  the party apparat gave these plums to loyal party officials.   It mattered not that they had no title to the factories they ran,   they "owned" them for all intents and purposes.   

It is really a distinction without a difference.  Party officials in such positions became wealthy and had high social status.   

Both systems of government are socialist in nature, in that they put the supremacy of the government over that of the individual. In Socialist nations the individual has no freedom except what the government allows.

If you still don't see a difference, try this analogy: Hillary will take away your business, Trump will just enact laws to make sure you run it the way he wants you to run it.

See the difference?

I see a big difference between Trump and Hillary,  but I see virtually no difference between Socialists and National Socialists.   Totalitarianism  devolves to the same common denominator (the State)  over time. 


I have heard of no Trump proposals to order businesses to run differently in accordance with governmental edicts.    I need hear no proposals from Hillary to know that this is how she will do things. 


It's in her ideology,  so it's a given.