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You have to be kidding! The one thing in the world Trump fears more than anything else is being identified as a loser. .....

Actually, that's not quite correct. He talks about it in his books like The Art of the Deal and you can see it all over his history. Trump has absolutely no problem losing a venture, as long as his downside is protected. He goes into losing ventures all the time, including his prior run for President in 2000 knowing full well he was going to lose.

Why does he do it?

Because his real goal isn't winning that venture. It is building the Trump brand. He loses more than he wins, but with every loss, he still is building the Trump brand. That is his downside he is always working towards.

He has two entire chapters dedicated to this in The Art of the Deal- Protecting Your Downside and There is No Such Thing as Bad Press.

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I stopped watching Pirro on the weekends because she is now screeching/yelling all the time, her voice would drown out a nuclear blast, and one would think she is having a love affair with Trump.  When she is out on the street in front of his Trump building, interviewing people, she yells even louder and is in love with the gold on the front of the building.  She is as sickening as Hannity.

There is something about her voice I just can't stand.  Don't know what it is, but it grates on me like nails on a chalk board.  Similar to how Sarah Palin's voice got on my nerves when she was trying to speak loudly at rallies.
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For those who are new and don't know Right in Virginia, a little more than a year ago (before Trump) you all would have counted her as an ally.  She is a proud conservative who cares about the future of our country.  She has had posted many insightful comments, and usually lets the personal stuff slide off her back because IMO she has a truck load of confidence and self integrity and she is smart as a whip.

We all have our bad days, and we are all on edge because we realize the implications of this election.  It takes a lot of guts to express an unpopular opinion to peers you respect and admire.  And when those peer are unable or unwilling to see your POV, it is natural to lash out and get angry.  That is not the RIV I've come to know, respect and admire.

We have to stop beating up our own guys, and pick up the pieces of this election someday.

There are some posters that deserve to be on ignore.  You do yourself a disservice ignoring RiV.   


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We all have our bad days, and we are all on edge because we realize the implications of this election.  It takes a lot of guts to express an unpopular opinion to peers you respect and admire.  And when those peer are unable or unwilling to see your POV, it is natural to lash out and get angry.  That is not the RIV I've come to know, respect and admire.


FWIW, I will be cleaning out my ignore after the season is over... But probably not until.

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FWIW, I will be cleaning out my ignore after the season is over... But probably not until.


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Actually, that's not quite correct. He talks about it in his books like The Art of the Deal and you can see it all over his history. Trump has absolutely no problem losing a venture, as long as his downside is protected. He goes into losing ventures all the time, including his prior run for President in 2000 knowing full well he was going to lose.

Why does he do it?

Because his real goal isn't winning that venture. It is building the Trump brand. He loses more than he wins, but with every loss, he still is building the Trump brand. That is his downside he is always working towards.

He has two entire chapters dedicated to this in The Art of the Deal- Protecting Your Downside and There is No Such Thing as Bad Press.

What you highlighted is that he is a loser posing as a winner. How is that fundamentally different from what I wrote? He will do ANYTHING to maintain his pose as a winner because losing is for losers,and The Donald is a winner!
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What you highlighted is that he is a loser posing as a winner. How is that fundamentally different from what I wrote? He will do ANYTHING to maintain his pose as a winner because losing is for losers,and The Donald is a winner!
He gets away with spinning it that way, partly because he dumps properties at more than he paid for them at the bankruptcy. I think the Princess (Kingdom 5 KR) went for over 40 million worth of debt, when he had only paid some 29-30 million for it, and likely wrote it off as a business expense because he used it for entertaining and meetings. He considers that 'winning'. The rest of us pay our taxes, and the bill, even on a rowboat.

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There is a losing candidate in every election and many people, pundit or not, hitch themselves to every losing candidate. This is just fear mongering.

Really?  How is it fear mongering?
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It sure got your attention @XenaLee.  (That's called a bullseye, dear)


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Bah-bye now.   :seeya:

What are you going to do when Donny loses? 

Are you going be humble enough to admit Trump really was the dud we warned you he was?

Or are you going to look for a scapegoat for your own mistakes?
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There is a losing candidate in every election and many people, pundit or not, hitch themselves to every losing candidate. This is just fear mongering.

It is different this time.

In the past,when their chosen candidate lost,  the pundits blamed the candidate for not being the right candidate for the times or for not running a strong, well-managed campaign.

This time, if the candidate loses, the pundits are blaming us, the voters, for not adhering to their sage wisdom.

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He gets away with spinning it that way, partly because he dumps properties at more than he paid for them at the bankruptcy. I think the Princess (Kingdom 5 KR) went for over 40 million worth of debt, when he had only paid some 29-30 million for it, and likely wrote it off as a business expense because he used it for entertaining and meetings. He considers that 'winning'. The rest of us pay our taxes, and the bill, even on a rowboat.

If the price of being rich is screwing people over, I'll just stay as I am.
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One of the things he is known to do is attach himself to any business he buys into,and then start billing that business for ALL of his personal and corporate expenses,and this is what runs them into bankruptcy. He is doing the same thing with his alleged Presidential campaign. He is billing the RNC for the use of his private jet,private limos,bodyguards,meals,salaries of the employees that fly,drive,protect,and clean for him,etc,etc,etc. He is also making money from selling his Chinese hats by selling them to his campaign. I have no doubt before it is all over that he will bill the RNC for personal appearance fees.

He is in this to make money,period. Part of it from his scams,and part of it as the payoff package from the Clintons after she is sworn in.

Given who and what he is,he might even stay in the campaign to the end,and start ranting and raving like a total idiot 2 weeks before the election in order to throw it. The longer he stays in it the more money he makes from his scams and the more he can squeeze out of the Clintons.
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What are you going to do when Donny loses? 

Are you going be humble enough to admit Trump really was the dud we warned you he was?

Or are you going to look for a scapegoat for your own mistakes?

@txradioguy

When Bubbette! is sworn in,all the Trumpettes will be screaming and wailing,and scratching their eyes out as they blame US for not voting for their lust bunny. It is NEVER their fault they supported a human fart,it is always OUR fault for not sniffing that fart with them.

In many ways they are as narcissistic as Trump and Bubbette!
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Someone posted an article about Trump selling shares to us "little people" in a casino-resort business, paid himself handsomely as it was run straight into the ground. Sounded like the whole thing was a scam from the start.

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For those who are new and don't know Right in Virginia, a little more than a year ago (before Trump) you all would have counted her as an ally.  She is a proud conservative who cares about the future of our country.  She has had posted many insightful comments, and usually lets the personal stuff slide off her back because IMO she has a truck load of confidence and self integrity and she is smart as a whip.

We all have our bad days, and we are all on edge because we realize the implications of this election.  It takes a lot of guts to express an unpopular opinion to peers you respect and admire.  And when those peer are unable or unwilling to see your POV, it is natural to lash out and get angry.  That is not the RIV I've come to know, respect and admire.

We have to stop beating up our own guys, and pick up the pieces of this election someday.

There are some posters that deserve to be on ignore.  You do yourself a disservice ignoring RiV.

I agree with most everything you said above with the exception of putting her on ignore. She and a few others here have pulled their masks off and reviled their true selves during this Trump episode and I, for one, will never be able to view them the same as I did before again!
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Someone posted an article about Trump selling shares to us "little people" in a casino-resort business, paid himself handsomely as it was run straight into the ground. Sounded like the whole thing was a scam from the start.


It's what scam (con) artists do and Trump is a very good one!
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For those who are new and don't know Right in Virginia, a little more than a year ago (before Trump) you all would have counted her as an ally.  She is a proud conservative who cares about the future of our country.  She has had posted many insightful comments, and usually lets the personal stuff slide off her back because IMO she has a truck load of confidence and self integrity and she is smart as a whip.

We all have our bad days, and we are all on edge because we realize the implications of this election.  It takes a lot of guts to express an unpopular opinion to peers you respect and admire.  And when those peer are unable or unwilling to see your POV, it is natural to lash out and get angry.  That is not the RIV I've come to know, respect and admire.

We have to stop beating up our own guys, and pick up the pieces of this election someday.

There are some posters that deserve to be on ignore.  You do yourself a disservice ignoring RiV.

With all due respect, I haven't seen any Trump supporter here actually try to sell their candidate on the issues. Its all been gloating, browbeating & snide one liners.

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When Bubbette! is sworn in,all the Trumpettes will be screaming and wailing,and scratching their eyes out as they blame US for not voting for their lust bunny. It is NEVER their fault they supported a human fart,it is always OUR fault for not sniffing that fart with them.

In many ways they are as narcissistic as Trump and Bubbette!
I think they have gone beyond sniffing. I think they are huffing the jenkem again.
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It's what scam (con) artists do and Trump is a very good one!

That's just it - he really isn't all that good. I see him coming a mile away, every time.
It is an astonishment to me that so many can't see right through him.

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That's just it - he really isn't all that good. I see him coming a mile away, every time.
It is an astonishment to me that so many can't see right through him.

Yes! You and I see right through him immediately and are astonished to find so many who don't!  That's it in a nutshell!  :beer:
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I agree with most everything you said above with the exception of putting her on ignore. She and a few others here have pulled their masks off and reviled their true selves during this Trump episode and I, for one, will never be able to view them the same as I did before again!

Well then I think you are letting them off easy my friend.  You are an absolute terror to argue against! :laugh:


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With all due respect, I haven't seen any Trump supporter here actually try to sell their candidate on the issues. Its all been gloating, browbeating & snide one liners.

I'm sure you have.  I've heard the arguments for Trump many times.  The one used most often is Trump is better than Hitlery.  It was the same argument I used to support Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, and Bush Sr.  They were all better than the rat candidate.  I just can't do it with a straight face for Trump, and both you and I don't find this to be a compelling argument.

There have been other reasons that Trump fans have supported Trump...The Wall...He's a job creator...He can't be bought because he's so rich...He will select good SCOTUS judges...

Oh Lord...I'm getting nauseous trying to remember reasons to vote for Trump...I gotta stop.

My point is the Trump fans have their reasons for supporting Trump and it is a mistake to think they are paid political operatives or nefarious schemers...and it's kind of hard to hear the reasons when we are attacking each other for being terrible people.

Thank you for the opportunity to expand upon my remarks.

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I'm sure you have.  I've heard the arguments for Trump many times.  The one used most often is Trump is better than Hitlery.  It was the same argument I used to support Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, and Bush Sr.  They were all better than the rat candidate.  I just can't do it with a straight face for Trump, and both you and I don't find this to be a compelling argument.

There have been other reasons that Trump fans have supported Trump...The Wall...He's a job creator...He can't be bought because he's so rich...He will select good SCOTUS judges...

Oh Lord...I'm getting nauseous trying to remember reasons to vote for Trump...I gotta stop.

My point is the Trump fans have their reasons for supporting Trump and it is a mistake to think they are paid political operatives or nefarious schemers...and it's kind of hard to hear the reasons when we are attacking each other for being terrible people.

Thank you for the opportunity to expand upon my remarks.
The wall (won't be built, idea from Cruz in 2011), He's a job creator (service jobs, for the most part, and the contractors sometimes didn't get paid. In the end, that kills businesses and costs jobs), He bought politicians in the past, maybe he considers being a politician more lucrative than buying one. SCOTUS judges? Ri-ight.

His words/actions/and the hopes for change his supporters superimpose on him don't flange up, is the only problem I have with all that. Which boils down to him being the 'not Hillary', not necessarily that he is acceptable for the job..

If this was a job tender, and I was HR, I'd re-run the ad.
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For those who are new and don't know Right in Virginia, a little more than a year ago (before Trump) you all would have counted her as an ally.  She is a proud conservative who cares about the future of our country.  She has had posted many insightful comments, and usually lets the personal stuff slide off her back because IMO she has a truck load of confidence and self integrity and she is smart as a whip.

We all have our bad days, and we are all on edge because we realize the implications of this election.  It takes a lot of guts to express an unpopular opinion to peers you respect and admire.  And when those peer are unable or unwilling to see your POV, it is natural to lash out and get angry.  That is not the RIV I've come to know, respect and admire.

We have to stop beating up our own guys, and pick up the pieces of this election someday.

There are some posters that deserve to be on ignore.  You do yourself a disservice ignoring RiV.

Wow, do I disagree with you here, @Once-Ler !

You obviously haven't had her fangs buried into you personally.  There's no way she's the same person she was before Trump.  If she is, she was hiding a lot from all of us.

My only permanent IGNORE. 

I just wish she'd do me the same favor and not say vile things about me behind my back.

And all because I don't support Trump.
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The wall (won't be built, idea from Cruz in 2011), He's a job creator (service jobs, for the most part, and the contractors sometimes didn't get paid. In the end, that kills businesses and costs jobs), He bought politicians in the past, maybe he considers being a politician more lucrative than buying one. SCOTUS judges? Ri-ight.

His words/actions/and the hopes for change his supporters superimpose on him don't flange up, is the only problem I have with all that. Which boils down to him being the 'not Hillary', not necessarily that he is acceptable for the job..

If this was a job tender, and I was HR, I'd re-run the ad.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote.  I'm just saying the arguments are out there.

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Completely disagree.

The problem was not with the quality of the field, but with the quantity.  There were a number of reasonable prospects, some very strong.......... the strongest field, in fact that we have had in a very long time.

It's just that the rational, conservative vote was subdivided, while the angry, non-thinking vote gravitated toward Trump.

And it's not that he "may be a poor candidate."  He is the absolutely worst candidate in our entire lifetimes.

That's why so many conservatives can't vote for him.  He has no integrity nor virtue and he has no conservative policy positions.
Plus, Trump is way out of his depth intellectually. He knows next to nothing about conservative principles and doesn't have the right demeanor for a president.  He's the drunk but very wealthy boor at the end of the bar with the loudest mouth.