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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2016, 02:40:49 pm »
I recall someone getting zotted for posting information about Bellamy and that salute over at FR.  I decided to learn more about it, after seeing that dangerous post!  Nobody wanted to hear that the Pledge was designed to promote the federal government "One Nation" and prepare children for accepting socialism and authoritarianism.

I've got my grandmothers high school civics textbook from the 30s and even then they were pushing government as the savior that protects us from all ills.

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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2016, 02:48:11 pm »
"We want young Americans to recite the pledge of allegiance."

And that’s all fine and good and I am not opposed to it nor of promoting patriotism and eliminating revisionist, anti-American history curriculums, but it is not a Federal matter one way or another nor should it be.  I also do not think The Pledge (nor prayers in public schools) should be compulsory.  As @Texas Yellow Rose mentioned - West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette.
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Yup!

And Robert Byrd's federally mandated Constitution Day always makes me shake my head.  Good intention instituted in a perfectly self-defeating way.  (An unconstitutional requirement to promote the Constitution!)

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And as @Suppressed noted, The Pledge of Allegiance has a bit of a controversial history. I was rather shocked when a few years ago, I learned the history of The Pledge of Allegiance and that the “One Nation Under God” was only added in 1954.

One minor correction.  It was only "under God" that was added in 1954.  The "one nation, indivisible" was in there since the beginning, because that was part of the core of its intent -- to promote the Federal government over states.

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I am of the opinion that most of the Founding Fathers would not have been for it, especially making it compulsory.

I like that you recognize there was a diversity of thought among the Founding Fathers, and there are those who would probably have liked it.  But yes, most would have been quite against it! 

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But to me this statement by Trump is a lot like what he said last year – “If I’m president, you’re going to see ‘Merry Christmas’ in department stores, believe me, believe me. You’re going to see it.”

What is Trump going to do? Issue an EO that makes it mandatory? Impose a special tax or fee on all and any stores that don’t force their employees to say Merry Christmas to each and every customer?  Fine anyone who says “Happy Holidays”?  Would that apply to the Jewish deli, the Hindu owned Indian restaurant, the “humanist” book store?

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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2016, 02:52:17 pm »
I ain't got a dog in this hunt other than to say.. you know a little patriotism wouldn't have hurt little Colin Whatshisname before the liberal washed it from the classroom.

Admit it....you can't spell "Kaepernick", and was too lazy to look it up.       :laugh:
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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2016, 02:54:03 pm »
Admit it....you can't spell "Kaepernick", and was too lazy to look it up.       :laugh:

I was trying to get laid.  Didn't have time to look it up! 

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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2016, 02:54:52 pm »
How else would a President "make" local schools to this?

Like Bammie.......with a phone and a pen.

Withhold all funding...PERIOD>
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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2016, 02:55:16 pm »
I was trying to get laid.  Didn't have time to look it up!

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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2016, 06:13:19 pm »
Wow. You sure were an over achiever!

I was just trying to get laid back then.   I submitted a paper on the subject.  It was rejected.

Nah, not so much an over achiever, just a nerd. As to getting laid, as I said, it was an all-girls school and I never swung that way.    ^-^
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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2016, 06:28:59 pm »
I've got my grandmothers high school civics textbook from the 30s and even then they were pushing government as the savior that protects us from all ills.

When I was in elementary school, every morning we said the Pledge Of Allegiance followed by singing a patriotic song – The Star Spangled Banner, God Bless America, America The Beautiful, My Country Tis Of Thee, Battle Hymn of the Republic, etc.

But one of those songs we sang was the Woody Guthrie’s This Land Is My Land. My dad was not very happy when I came home one day and sang it for him.  My dad said that Guthrie was a dirty hippy commie.  :silly:
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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2016, 06:32:40 pm »
Nah, not so much an over achiever, just a nerd. As to getting laid, as I said, it was an all-girls school and I never swung that way.    ^-^

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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2016, 06:40:57 pm »
Did you wear a uniform!  888sunglass

Do you still have it?    :0001:

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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2016, 06:54:11 pm »
I was trying to get laid.  Didn't have time to look it up!

Way too much information!
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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2016, 07:25:50 pm »
Did you wear a uniform!  888sunglass

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Re: Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2016, 10:43:25 pm »
When I was in elementary school, every morning we said the Pledge Of Allegiance followed by singing a patriotic song – The Star Spangled Banner, God Bless America, America The Beautiful, My Country Tis Of Thee, Battle Hymn of the Republic, etc.


In Pasadena, Texas (in the vicinity of San Jacinto) we sang a patriotic song too .... only one ... "Texas, Our Texas" ... our national anthem. To this day it is more meaningful than any other patriotic song. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5uT3npcDmo