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Offline aligncare

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Can you explain that correction?  There were rules set up for the primary were established ahead of time.  Trump won a majority of delegates under those rules because of the plurality of votes he received during the primary season.  How do you twist that into it being "the elites" who selected him?

And if your claimed hang-up is on "elites" doing the selection, how much worse is it to cast away the guy who got the most votes, and having the elites decide to replace him with someone who got even less?

You must have combat experience, major. Nothing focuses the attention and keeps one attuned to the surrounding realities quite like combat, eh? :patriot:

Except combat is a bit more straightforward than politics.

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Of COURSE I am seeing that.

Now.  Who benefits from this crude, ham-fisted attempt at chopping away Trump's support?  Does Trump benefit?

Does Cruz benefit?  IS CRUZ ON THE BALLOT?

No, and no.  It is, as I said, an attempt to chop away at Trump's support - such as it is.  Just do a little more, to help seal the deal.

If anyone reading this Huffinggas comPost screed thinks they're really lauding Cruz...they're gullible beyond measure.

The inside the beltway Washington elites benefit! That's who!
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Sure! Be happy to!

The elites threw the rules out the window at the convention both in the rules committee to make sure only the rules they wanted were put forth to the body and on the convention floor in order to make sure Donald J. Trump was selected as the nominee and to make sure the rules they wanted were adopted!

But he still won the plurality of votes, and the majority of delegates under the rules as they were at the time the voters cast those votes.

What you are advocating is that the elites at the convention should have been permitted to change the rules, ignore the votes that were cast by voters, and elect someone else of their own choosing instead.  If you want to take that position, fine, but then to cast yourself as an opponent of "the elites" running things is simply absurd.

But okay, who do you think the Convention should have selected as the nominee rather than Trump?

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You must have combat experience, major. Nothing focuses the attention and keeps one attuned to the surrounding realities quite like combat, eh? :patriot:

Actually, I do, although I got out before making Major.  My screenname is just a very interesting historical figure (check my sig. link)

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Except combat is a bit more straightforward than politics.

Combat, and military service in general, requires you to focus on and recognize things as they are, not as you wish they were. 

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The inside the beltway Washington elites benefit! That's who!

They've won no matter what.

Deal with it.  You can't undo what's done.  Trump is a moron but he does understand charisma; he's done a brilliant job of crafting a Cult of Personality.  And that is how this choice came to be framed the way it is - the cultists, and the cult, and the cult leader, overwhelmed party opposition.

Make your plans.  State secession, or whatever you think might be better.  But de Nile is not a river in Egypt.

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But he still won the plurality of votes, and the majority of delegates under the rules as they were at the time the voters cast those votes.


What you are advocating is that the elites at the convention should have been permitted to change the rules, ignore the votes that were cast by voters, and elect someone else of their own choosing instead.  If you want to take that position, fine, but then to cast yourself as an opponent of "the elites" running things is simply absurd.

But okay, who do you think the Convention should have selected as the nominee rather than Trump?

I think that the convention should have been run according to the rules, that the rules committee should have been allowed to do it's work without interference from the party bosses, and that the nominee should be the person selected by the convention under the rules of the convention!   That is NOT what happened!
« Last Edit: August 16, 2016, 04:16:28 pm by Bigun »
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Typical of the Huffing and Puffington post. I doubt Cruz is pleased to see the party split like it did.
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I think that the convention should have been run according to the rules, that the rules committee should have been allowed to do it's work without interference from the party bosses, and that the nominee should be the person selected by the convention under the rules of the convention!   That is NOT what happened!

 :amen:   Most people weren't paying attention to what actually happened.
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No.  Senator Cruz loves America far too much to be enjoying the disaster that is DT.

Exactly.

Smiling? No. Shaking his head in disappointment? Oh yeah.
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What a load that is!  Ted Cruz isn't smiling right now! He is, like most patriots, weeping over the fact that this once great republic is self destructing before our eyes!

I read it as 'vindicated'.

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No, but most of us are resigned to the reality that Trump is the Republican nominee.

If you "pull the plug" on Trump after he's already been officially selected by delegates as the nominee (assuming that is even possible), you are going to see his supporters sit home en masse, which will guarantee an even larger Hillary victory.  Hell, I hate the guy, and I'd probably sit home at that point as well simply because I think the will of the voters and the agreed-upon party rules have to be followed.  Otherwise, rather than temporary incapacitated by this one nominee, the party will be permanently destroyed.

He won, we lost.  That's just how it is.

What? Sit home and not vote for a new party candidate?

Well... THAT puts paid the notion that Trump supporters are just voting party line (and so should you).

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True. But there is something to say for Karma. Don't forget Karma
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It's going to be a network not a show.

who's putting up the money? It won't be Trump. Soros maybe, Putin?

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Yes.

But the Huffing-gas crowd does not come forward out of benevolence.

But like a Trumper they can be right now and then.

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No.  Senator Cruz loves America far too much to be enjoying the disaster that is DT.

Exactly!   I seriously doubt Cruz takes any joy from seeing what's happening right now with this election.
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You must have combat experience, major. Nothing focuses the attention and keeps one attuned to the surrounding realities quite like combat, eh? :patriot:

Except combat is a bit more straightforward than politics.

Minus the weapons involved...at times they can be quite similar actually.
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Ted Cruz must be a happy camper these days.

I don't think any Conservative is "happy" or "smiling" these days.  The author seems to have the perspective that this is nothing more than a sporting event.  The reality is that we all know that it is much more than that.  Some are supporting Trump with all their gusto, others like me are in mourning but can't vote for him.  Either way, I don't think any Conservative has the countenance reflected in this article.

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You must have combat experience, major. Nothing focuses the attention and keeps one attuned to the surrounding realities quite like combat, eh? :patriot:

Except combat is a bit more straightforward than politics.

I dunno, the Clintons have killed more Americans than the Taliban.
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I don't think any Conservative is "happy" or "smiling" these days.  The author seems to have the perspective that this is nothing more than a sporting event.  The reality is that we all know that it is much more than that.  Some are supporting Trump with all their gusto, others like me are in mourning but can't vote for him.  Either way, I don't think any Conservative has the countenance reflected in this article.

Not at all Smaj...I've never found saying "I told you so" to be an uplifting exercise.
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I don't think any Conservative is "happy" or "smiling" these days.  The author seems to have the perspective that this is nothing more than a sporting event.  The reality is that we all know that it is much more than that.  Some are supporting Trump with all their gusto, others like me are in mourning but can't vote for him.  Either way, I don't think any Conservative has the countenance reflected in this article.

Exactly.  What's happening now is a deepening tragedy.

Cruz is being proven right to withhold approval of Trump; but there is no joy in that.  All he stands for; all that conservatives have worked for, is being washed away by the ignorant and impulsive and emotion-driven demands and choices of an apparent majority.

These are bad times for liberty and for American founding principles.

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Exactly.  What's happening now is a deepening tragedy.

Cruz is being proven right to withhold approval of Trump; but there is no joy in that.  All he stands for; all that conservatives have worked for, is being washed away by the ignorant and impulsive and emotion-driven demands and choices of an apparent majority.

These are bad times for liberty and for American founding principles.

Sam Houston all over again.

He spoke a hard truth that people didn't want to hear so they threw him out of the governor's mansion. He was eventually vindicated but it cost a half million lives including his son.

Vindication does not mean joy.

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No, but most of us are resigned to the reality that Trump is the Republican nominee.

If you "pull the plug" on Trump after he's already been officially selected by delegates as the nominee (assuming that is even possible), you are going to see his supporters sit home en masse, which will guarantee an even larger Hillary victory.  Hell, I hate the guy, and I'd probably sit home at that point as well simply because I think the will of the voters and the agreed-upon party rules have to be followed.  Otherwise, rather than temporary incapacitated by this one nominee, the party will be permanently destroyed.

He won, we lost.  That's just how it is.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one.  Any attempt to remove Trump and "install" an alternate at this late stage would probably be MORE dangerous than a Trump or Hillary Presidency.  I say this as a Cruz supporter who is very likely not participating in this election...I won't ever say never!  That is a lesson I learned in elementary school.

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I don't think any Conservative is "happy" or "smiling" these days.  The author seems to have the perspective that this is nothing more than a sporting event.  The reality is that we all know that it is much more than that.  Some are supporting Trump with all their gusto, others like me are in mourning but can't vote for him.  Either way, I don't think any Conservative has the countenance reflected in this article.

To the Left, it's all about POWER.  Personal power; then, power to the Party; and for the masses, vicarious enjoyment of power.

A Leftist of the same party as a Leftist melting down as Trump is, would be delighted.

Conservatives are driven by something other than power.  TRUE conservatives are, anyway; and that's probably why Trump does not understand them and why he's so angry that Cruz doesn't kiss the ring.

Because true conservatives have a political philosophy and uphold principles derived from that guiding philosophy.  Pretend-conservatives like Trump, do not.  And Leftist journalists, do not even so pretend.  To them it IS all about power and the Team Jersey.