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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #500 on: July 19, 2016, 12:38:45 pm »
The really telling thing is that this incompetent campaign couldn't get through the first day and night of the convention without it blowing up in their faces.

Get ready, it's all downhill from here.  :shrug:

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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #501 on: July 19, 2016, 12:39:07 pm »
I'm not going to blame Melania Trump for the speech someone gave to her.

She's used to leftovers anyway.
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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #502 on: July 19, 2016, 12:42:18 pm »
No I am not.  Gave a compliment that 10% constructive criticism and it was deleted.  Same comments on this thread stood.

Am ok with that.  More interested in having something focus group here to understand how Trump might fare in the fall, particularly with the key demographic of women.

Looks like we have a vocal minority of fawners and majority of folks who are put off by Melania by either envy or disdain.
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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #503 on: July 19, 2016, 12:42:46 pm »
No I am not.  Gave a compliment that 10% constructive criticism and it was deleted.  Same comments on this thread stood.

Am ok with that.  More interested in having something focus group here to understand how Trump might fare in the fall, particularly with the key demographic of women.

Looks like we have a vocal minority of fawners and majority of folks who are put off by Melania by either envy or disdain.

I don't have any real opinions on Melania.

I think we'll be lucky to hold the house in November.

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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #504 on: July 19, 2016, 12:43:34 pm »
HEADS UP!

Guys, I'm creating the ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19.  This one will remain open, but I'd prefer we put new stuff that is surely coming down on Cribgate on that thread. 

See you over there.
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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #505 on: July 19, 2016, 12:48:23 pm »
HEADS UP!

Guys, I'm creating the ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19.  This one will remain open, but I'd prefer we put new stuff that is surely coming down on Cribgate on that thread. 

See you over there.

Please post a link to the new thread here, once you have it ready.
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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #506 on: July 19, 2016, 12:49:31 pm »
No need for making a mark.  What's a little plagiarism between buddies, right? 

I'm sure Melania did not write her own speech, no one would write their own speech and think they can get away with plagiarizing a high profile speech like that.  Think about the possible scenarios for how  this came to be though. Really, this is a screw up, just no Melania's screw up, unless she's the  one that hired that person to write the speech for her, but I doubt that.  I'm betting they just didn't do enough vetting to figure out that the person(s) they hired to write the speech hated them.  So much for hiring the best people, amiright?!

The narrative is similar, but not exactly the same.  Using the word 'bond' was a bit too much.  While well delivered, an antidote from Slovakia that illustrates hard work would have been better.  Or expanding a little on the Dad's business acumen. 

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« Reply #507 on: July 19, 2016, 12:55:42 pm »
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« Reply #508 on: July 19, 2016, 01:13:39 pm »
I don't have any real opinions on Melania.

I think we'll be lucky to hold the house in November.
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« Reply #509 on: July 19, 2016, 01:18:24 pm »
None of that will be touched at dem convention.  Trying to give honest assessment as a Trump realist.  ( both pro and con).  Not possible on the other thread .

Hm. So, I'm waking to analysis that seems to differ with your opinion. Given the actual similarity in words pointed out in the article, I'd say it sounds like her speech had nothing to differentiate it as conservative:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/melania-trump-michelle-obama-225793
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« Reply #510 on: July 19, 2016, 01:24:20 pm »
I would also note that Ivanka who also had brief stint as a “model” also posed for some rather provocative and sexy photos for some men’s magazines like Stuff and Maxim.  I guess that was before she converted to “Orthodox” Judaism.

When it comes to Ivanka, I'm actually surprised how she has remained *relatively* classy in her magazine photo shoots compared to other really beautiful women. She comes off more Taylor Swift-ish than Rhianna-ish.

So, she has been sexy, but not full-on trashy.

But - as someone pointed out earlier: In matters of taste, there can be no disputes.
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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #511 on: July 19, 2016, 01:31:02 pm »


But - as someone pointed out earlier: In matters of taste, there can be no disputes.

All I can say is when the boys in cell block C are looking for some "Reading" material it isn't a spread of photo's featuring Ivanka... Donald maybe..... but not her.

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« Reply #512 on: July 19, 2016, 01:57:05 pm »
Oh my.  That is going to leave a mark.

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Sure will.  What was reportedly a good speech will be overshadowed by this.


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« Reply #514 on: July 19, 2016, 02:15:25 pm »
~ Why would the campaign do something so blatant as this? What is the purpose?

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I honestly don't think Melania is to blame.  At this point, I'm torn as to whether Trump is trying to throw his campaign, or if it's just more of his "best people" hires.

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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #515 on: July 19, 2016, 02:17:00 pm »
When it comes to Ivanka, I'm actually surprised how she has remained *relatively* classy in her magazine photo shoots compared to other really beautiful women. She comes off more Taylor Swift-ish than Rhianna-ish.

So, she has been sexy, but not full-on trashy.

But - as someone pointed out earlier: In matters of taste, there can be no disputes.

She was born into the money so she didn't need to 'sell herself' into success like many models do (it is very difficult to walk into fashion modeling, the general path is what is known as the 'traveling model' where one goes to major cities and poses for a few hundred per hour, usually partially clothed (or fully nude) to help photographers and agencies build portfolios and client lists.

Ivanka also seems to be pretty smart- it isn't just from expensive education, she has a calm rationality not common in her family.

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« Reply #516 on: July 19, 2016, 02:23:41 pm »
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I honestly don't think Melania is to blame.  At this point, I'm torn as to whether Trump is trying to throw his campaign, or if it's just more of his "best people" hires.

She claims she wrote it "with as little help as possible".  At least one person is lying about what really happened.  Seems like a stupid thing to lie about.

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« Reply #517 on: July 19, 2016, 02:24:10 pm »
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I honestly don't think Melania is to blame.  At this point, I'm torn as to whether Trump is trying to throw his campaign, or if it's just more of his "best people" hires.

I'm going with the former.
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« Reply #518 on: July 19, 2016, 02:26:12 pm »
I'm going with the former.

I think the latter, a result of hiring 'yes men' along with the Peter principle.

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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #519 on: July 19, 2016, 02:29:58 pm »
The LIVE Convention thread has been locked down by one of the site owners and heavily censored with mass post deletions.  It's a pro-Trump only echo chamber thread.  This one is the true live thread.


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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #520 on: July 19, 2016, 02:36:07 pm »
On the citizens for trump page, the spin they are going with is she was honoring Michelle and other first ladies by incorporating their themes. Not kidding.

Whatever spin they could possibly think of it shows once again incompetence.  He just threw his wife to the wolves.  Wonder if the children have the same speech writer?  And whether he is trying to throw his own election so that Hillary can win.  Quite possible.   There are several issues that he and Pence disagree on.  One is his staple claim not to have supported Iraq invasion.  Pence caving on religious rights.  Liberal news has Pence also denying that women can serve in the military in any form.  That's crazy.  Liberal news last night.  Have not confirmed.  If that is true I would have to wonder about his competency.
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Re: ALTERNATE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - MONDAY, JULY 18
« Reply #521 on: July 19, 2016, 02:37:55 pm »

 
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« Reply #522 on: July 19, 2016, 02:40:51 pm »
Sink, do you mind if I lock this one so everyone can transition to today's thread?

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« Reply #523 on: July 19, 2016, 02:41:18 pm »
Whatever spin they could possibly think of it shows once again incompetence.  He just threw his wife to the wolves.  Wonder if the children have the same speech writer?  And whether he is trying to throw his own election so that Hillary can win.  Quite possible.   There are several issues that he and Pence disagree on.  One is his staple claim not to have supported Iraq invasion.  Pence caving on religious rights.  Liberal news has Pence also denying that women can serve in the military in any form.  That's crazy.  Liberal news last night.  Have not confirmed.  If that is true I would have to wonder about his competency.

Pence onced used "Mulan" as proof women shouldn't serve in the military

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288091-trump-vp-pence-mulan-women-in-military
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« Reply #524 on: July 19, 2016, 02:41:45 pm »
Sink, do you mind if I lock this one so everyone can transition to today's thread?

Please do.
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