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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #75 on: July 15, 2016, 03:40:58 am »
Let me use another example.

Since you seem to hate him so much: would it be OK if some board ordered you to vote for Ted Cruz?
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #76 on: July 15, 2016, 03:42:24 am »
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #77 on: July 15, 2016, 03:45:31 am »
They were given a chance to have a clean vote but wanted to be jerks. There were no more then 23 of the self professed rulers of the little people who wanted to steal the nomination for Romney.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2016, 03:46:08 am »
Warning:  The lose of brain cells is a real and direct outcome for staying on this thread.   :patriot:

... particularly if one attempts any dialogue with a authoritarian Trumpkin.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #79 on: July 15, 2016, 03:47:55 am »
Pretty loud display of your disdain of today's results.  Keep it classy.

I'm classy by definition, because I'm

#NeverTrump, because I'm
#ForeverChristian, and an
#OathKeeper.

One can't get much more classy than rejecting the anti-truth, progressive Trumpkins.

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« Reply #80 on: July 15, 2016, 03:48:03 am »

OUTSTANDING POST  Leftwing_in_Virginia!

 :hands:

Just remember folks, that official Trunpkin post, where "Right_in_Virginia" speaks for Donald and all his Trumpkins.

"Who cares?  Conservative's will be replaced."  Remember that Trumpkin rallying cry in November.  The arrogant little nits think they have enough votes to win without a single vote from the 65% of GOP voters who despise THE DONALD.

Remember this quote, and repeat it loudly.

"If they bolt....they'll be replaced.

So who cares?" - Trumpkins united


This is your most dangerous enemy.  I highly suggest you all consider holding your nose and voting for the honest anti-Christ, versus the dishonest anti-Christ Trump, who wants us out of the party, and wants our suffrage erased.  Even if you can't stomach Hillary, you'll guarantee the end of Trump, the GOP, and the g**d d**m Trumpkins as any sort of a political movement.

Well, done, Leftwing_in_Virginia.  You've just guaranteed Hillary's victory in November.  Trump will thank you from the bottom of his evil, little handed-heart.

Here's hoping Oldsaltusn took his blood pressure medicine this evening.   8888forgot

I don't take any, but may need to start soon...........after this circus at the RNC tonight.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #81 on: July 15, 2016, 03:51:53 am »
Warning:  The lose of brain cells is a real and direct outcome for staying on this thread.   :patriot:
Did you mean the loss?  Ah, I see you've already lost yours.  I mean, you do support Trump, which begs the question if you had any at all.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #82 on: July 15, 2016, 03:52:20 am »
When the Cruzites used "rules" to steal delegates from the candidate who'd won a primary...in Colorado as one example...all you NeverTrump's thought that it was just great tactical maneuvering. This is no different, consider it payback for the Colorado caucus. And let me add, most conservatives...the vast majority in fact...are fully on board at this point. The Moral Narcissists like so many here will never stop trying to get Hillary elected, but nobody can slow down a fanatic.

As many of us tried to tell you folks, at the cost of much abuse and derision, was that there was never any chance this NeverTrump garbage was going to succeed in the rules committee, much less on the convention floor. Mr. Trump won the majority of delegates, and that's how we select a nominee for our party. Those who try to circumvent that process aren't following their conscience, they're being petulant children angry that they didn't win. So all that happened on that committee today was that the will of the voters was respected as sacrosanct. That's something to celebrate, but so many of you set yourselves up for disappointment that we're going to see nothing but vitriol and venom from you going forward. Oh well.
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« Reply #83 on: July 15, 2016, 03:55:12 am »
To the actual Constitutional Conservatives on this board, ignore the gloating and dancing of the seig-heiling fanatics for Trump.

FORGET PARTY.  Get that quaint little nostalgia out of your head, because your survival may depend on it in the near future.   

We are NO LONGER a Constitutional Republic so stop lying to yourselves and pretending that somehow this election is going to stop the trajectory we are on.  This people want a dictator.  The GOP wants Trump and the Democrats want The Mao Pantsuit.

We're Rome after Julius was terminated, the squabbles between the Optimates and Imperators settled and Octavian maneuvered himself to become a demigod emperor, thus ending the republic.   

Trump may well end up to be this people's Augustus, and Hillary our Stalin.  Take your pick they tell us - "our dictator" or "their dictator".  You are either "with us" or "against us" they tell us.  "If not with us, you will be replaced". 

That is not the spirit of a republic, but of a mob.  Not of liberty, but of tyranny.  Because "Replaced" becomes "Eliminated" in such zeitgeists as we now live.  Fact of history.  Nothing new under the sun.

We do not have to give voice to either tyrant seeking the throne.   You can continue to support an actual Conservative like Castle or whomever you decide has the principles and character to hold your banner, until the time comes that any dissent is forbidden.

And mark my words, that is coming.   We've already watched this happen with the Trump militant on various fora.  Hildabeast and her hordes will do the same.

We are already declared enemies of these people.  The Trump militant hate us with a passion that goes beyond the hatred they have for the Left.  And this is just microcosm of what is to come with either Trump or Hillary in the White House.

Despotism.

Get your minds beyond the farce that this 'election' circus is.  It's an illusion as some of you are beginning to realize, and get it into the concrete of necessity. 

Focus on what is local and make preps for you and yours keeping in mind what The Beast intends to do.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #84 on: July 15, 2016, 04:00:20 am »
What do you call lies and slander in order to win?

Being like Trump.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #85 on: July 15, 2016, 04:03:28 am »
Get used to it, folks.


The Ballad Of Donald J. Trump
 
You knew Donald J. Trump needed limericks. So did we.

May 20, 2016 By C. Wallace DeWitt
 


He’s bored with hotels and casinos,
 Sated with golfing and pinots,
 His tag-line, “You’re fired!”
So passé, so tired,
 Why not run to appoint the next Nino?


So he gathered his legions of fans,
 Who basked in his livid sun-tan,
“No low-energy Jeb (!),
 He stands for the plebs!
 Hey, have you seen the size of his hands?”


A style reminiscent of Jackson’s—
All the rage amongst Angles and Saxons
 (Not with “Mexican rapists,”
Or women, or papists)—
True conservatives sounded their klaxons.


A xenophobe’s platform of spite:
“Build a wall, make them pay, future bright!
 David Duke, KKK,
 Sure beats me, who are they?”
Could this brute be the Geist of our Zeit?


Let’s concede what a beauty his wife is,
 But lest that bare fact should entice us,
 His disdain for the fair sex
 (And his pair of fair ex-es)
 Gives him something in common with ISIS.


Not Ted Cruz with his “lies and deceit,”
Nor Lil’ Marco’s “diminutive feet,”
Nor Carly (“her face!”),
Nor Ben Carson (“his race!”),
With The Donald could scarcely compete.


To millions he may be a hero,
 To others a policy tyro,
 But pals like Chris Christie
 Endorse and insist he’s
 The best fiddlin’ ruler since Nero.


Next to Cleveland to blow up the Party
 Of Lincoln and Taft and…McCarthy,
 Enraged delegates,
 Just like in ’68!
 The first ballot: a new Buonaparte?


While this boor merits only a pillory,
 Who’s left to us then…just Hillary?
 If we cannot endure her,
 Must we vote for der Führer?
 Why must suffrage result in such misery?


For Right is Right, and Left is Left, and never the twain shall bump,
 Unless it be in the candidacy of one Donald J. Trump.


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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #86 on: July 15, 2016, 04:03:48 am »
@Mesaclone
Do yiu really see no difference between playing by the rules (what Cruz did), and the breaking of the rules here?e

Wow.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #87 on: July 15, 2016, 04:11:13 am »
None of this is surprising.  Glad I already have a Plan B.

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« Reply #88 on: July 15, 2016, 04:13:12 am »
..and now they are giving time for counter amendment to bind even 'soft' delegates- those who are free to change. Giving time for proposal discussion.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Worst-case scenario for Trump opponents: They lose on conscience clause & get new rule clarifying delegate binding.</p>— Molly Ball (@mollyesque)

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This might tick the delegates off enough to simply ignore the rules and vote for someone else.  Not likely, though.

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« Reply #89 on: July 15, 2016, 04:15:47 am »
Cruzers are posting this: Plan B may never need implementation but, if Plan A fails Plan be will be needed at the General Election in November! What this will take is the #Nevers to vote behind the largest Party vote getters combined with the Nevers & win 2-4 States, not to win, but win enough votes to block the DT or HC from getting 270 Electors apiece & this is the magic number that they have to get to win! This will throw the Election into the House of Representatives & they will elect our President & it will not be Donald J. Trump! It will be a good Republican such as Cruz, Rubio, Perry or some other good Republican!

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2016, 04:17:13 am »
Liar alert. 

  • He's lying. 
  • He knows he's lying.  That's what gives him the smug little grin on his face.
  • He's stating the lie as "assumed fact", as if we all know this "truth", when in fact, the opposite is the case.
  • He'll repeat the lie about five times a week, wherever he can get his point in, so that it becomes "assumed knowledege".
  • He just used a "Moral equivalency" argument to defend the indefensible that just happened at the GOP convention tonight.

Every WORD from his mouth is pure Alinsky, progressive-Democrat bile.

I'll be listening with keen interest to your explanation on Judgment day.  My regrets for your fate, in advance.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2016, 04:19:04 am »
Cruzers are posting this: Plan B may never need implementation but, if Plan A fails Plan be will be needed at the General Election in November! What this will take is the #Nevers to vote behind the largest Party vote getters combined with the Nevers & win 2-4 States, not to win, but win enough votes to block the DT or HC from getting 270 Electors apiece & this is the magic number that they have to get to win! This will throw the Election into the House of Representatives & they will elect our President & it will not be Donald J. Trump! It will be a good Republican such as Cruz, Rubio, Perry or some other good Republican!

Unfortunately, this scenario assumes a level of morality and courage in the House of Representatives that I've not seen in my life time.

If the election goes to a GOP House, by hook or crook, Trump will win.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2016, 04:19:19 am »
@Mesaclone
Do yiu really see no difference between playing by the rules (what Cruz did), and the breaking of the rules here?e

Wow.

The amoral can not distinguish between the two.  They only understand "winning"!


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« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2016, 04:57:39 am »
Delegates need to adopt Stairway to Cleveland as their theme song:
https://youtu.be/PpNnfpCV1wII *NSFW* (language)
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #96 on: July 15, 2016, 05:12:07 am »
Get used to it, folks.

I am not a Republican.
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« Reply #97 on: July 15, 2016, 05:18:30 am »
@Mesaclone
Do yiu really see no difference between playing by the rules (what Cruz did), and the breaking of the rules here?e

Wow.

Au contraire, they followed parliamentary procedure to a T. The Chairman has great discretion on when to call votes and how to assess a voice vote...it is his prerogative. Thats the rules. So its no different...in fact, its exactly the same in moral terms. A technical adherence to the rules that seems a bit unfair to those on the down side of the maneuver.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #98 on: July 15, 2016, 05:26:31 am »
Cruzers are posting this: Plan B may never need implementation but, if Plan A fails Plan be will be needed at the General Election in November! What this will take is the #Nevers to vote behind the largest Party vote getters combined with the Nevers & win 2-4 States, not to win, but win enough votes to block the DT or HC from getting 270 Electors apiece & this is the magic number that they have to get to win! This will throw the Election into the House of Representatives & they will elect our President & it will not be Donald J. Trump! It will be a good Republican such as Cruz, Rubio, Perry or some other good Republican!

You can't be serious. First, none of the 3rd party candidates has ANY chance of winning a state...with or without the 2% of the electorate that are NeverTrumps. Second, if a miracle happened and they did, Trump walks away with ease in the House of Representatives.

Here's what you folks aren't getting. Republican voters are on board with Mr. Trump as the nominee...many would have preferred someone else amongst the candidates, but that's always the case. The NeverTrump movement is a fringe remnant...whereas Evangelicals, moderates and working class Republicans are voting Trump and are supporting him in very large percentages (80% even amongst Evangelicals). So there's not going to be some sort of internal rebellion, because virtually nobody wants to rebel...just a tiny group of folks who are still mad that their guy Cruz lost (and some angry establishment Bush-ites who got their feelings hurt in the primary).
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #99 on: July 15, 2016, 05:39:48 am »
Reading tweets from the rules committee, the unbinding delegate amendment was quickly killed.

*Shrugs*  :shrug:

It was a long shot anyway... They can have him...

Conservatives can vote Castle.